Olan
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Post by Olan on Aug 4, 2020 16:14:49 GMT
This is not a commentary on the town. All towns have better and less than better areas. It is a commentary on the actions of a group of police officers who collectively must have felt this was appropriate. No matter what part of any town I am in, I can tell the difference between a motorcycle and an SUV. I also know that a group in an SUV out for a girl's spa day would not have been a threat to society if they had been allowed to wait in their car until law enforcement could have determined if it was an SUV or a motorcycle. And ok, I'll take your word that there is one good officer in that town. What percentage is that? Was he the same one that seemed concerned? I know good people that drive SUVs to spa days. I wasn't trying to defend the town or whatever.. just explaining to those who are not familiar with Aurora as best as I could. It could happen in any town any day. My friend wasn't there, he works a different division (I don't know how all that works... he is a traffic police so usually he isn't involved in any of these type cases).. And in any other town, there are the good cops and bad. We all know that. How would your first hand description of Aurora help anyone understand what happened in the video? |
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Post by MichyM on Aug 4, 2020 16:14:59 GMT
Why do you think this happened? Can you imagine a scenario that would place white women and children on the pavement face down? Nope. That crossed my mind immediately. Which is why this disgusts me. |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 4, 2020 16:43:12 GMT
@dallie wow! That is a crazy story. From some of the stories and podcasts that I have listened to, it seems that the whole justice system is messed up in a lot of ways, including lawyers, judges, police officers having lost the perspective to see how situations like this can harm people. From trauma to not being able to get housing, financial problems, work issues, etc. What members of the legal system seem to think are "minor" and inconsequential interactions with the law can really cause serious consequences for people. How about arresting a person even though you have no proof ( yet ) they committed a crime. Even if the ‘charge’ is dropped or not even brought, the simple act of arresting a person & processing that arrest, leaves that arrest on their record forever. Leaving them to forever explain the situation. It isn’t easy or cheap to get things like that ‘off’ your record. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 4, 2020 16:49:41 GMT
@dallie wow! That is a crazy story. From some of the stories and podcasts that I have listened to, it seems that the whole justice system is messed up in a lot of ways, including lawyers, judges, police officers having lost the perspective to see how situations like this can harm people. From trauma to not being able to get housing, financial problems, work issues, etc. What members of the legal system seem to think are "minor" and inconsequential interactions with the law can really cause serious consequences for people. How about arresting a person even though you have no proof ( yet ) they committed a crime. Even if the ‘charge’ is dropped or not even brought, the simple act of arresting a person & processing that arrest, leaves that arrest on their record forever. Leaving them to forever explain the situation. It isn’t easy or cheap to get things like that ‘off’ your record. I just listened to an episode of The Daily where a man was arrested in front of his child and wife simply because a facial recognition software wrongly identified him. His daughter is traumatized and he had to pay for a lawyer. Eventually got the charges dropped but still there were many consequences resulting from poor police work. |
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Post by MaryMary on Aug 4, 2020 16:50:06 GMT
Those kids are going to carry this trauma with them for the rest of their lives. And white people wonder why there are still ongoing BLM protests.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 4, 2020 16:51:31 GMT
Yes it is. I don't agree with the fact that it took 5 officers to finally figure out they had the wrong vehicle. I don't agree that they were handcuffed and put on the ground. I simply said, that the one officer exhibited some kindness. He could have easily ignored them and just stood by. He did take the time to try to comfort them. Not every officer is evil. People on this board seem to forget these officers are fathers and sons. Just like the general population, some are kinder than others. But why did they need to get out of the car at all? They have enough cops there & vehicles there they could have let them wait inside the car? Why the extra step of laying face down on the ground? Seriously? The minor children who were not driving were not even guilty if it WAS the correct vehicle. The fact that they ‘apologized’ for pulling over the it wrong vehicle doesnt even address what actually was done wrong. Terrorizing those children is unacceptable in either scenario. |
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Post by maryannscraps on Aug 4, 2020 16:54:22 GMT
I cannot think of any situation where it is appropriate to handcuff a 6-year old face down on the ground. And for an allegedly stolen vehicle stop? That could have been double checked in seconds? Whey were any of them on the ground at gunpoint?
Everything about this is horrifying. And as a white woman with kids in the car, that would NEVER have happened to me. Stolen vehicle report or not.
I am hurting for those poor children crying for their mother, laying face down with police pointing guns at them.
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Post by busy on Aug 4, 2020 16:58:59 GMT
To be quite frank, I don't give a shit if some of the officers are fathers and sons. That doesn't make them good people. I'm not disagreeing. Also, that's not exactly what I said. I said, just like the GENERAL population, including you and me and everyone else on this board, some people are kinder than others. Again, I do not agree with the tactic of putting anyone down on the ground that way, be it a little girl, little boy, adult woman or adult man regardless of race. Please don't twist my words. And btw, if you purchase items made in Asia YOU are contributing to harming children as well so please don't get all high and mighty when you yourself are hurting children. Talk about twisting words. |
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 4, 2020 17:09:44 GMT
Have they identified which moron cop saw/heard the bulletin to be on the lookout for a motorcycle with Montana plates and called in that they found it? Did any cop on the scene stop and say "ah, weren't we looking for a motorcycle with Montana plates?" HOW DO YOU GO FROM MOTORCYCLE/MONTANA PLATES TO A VAN/COLORADO PLATES!!?? JFC And there is zero chance that a white family would have been handcuffed on the ground.  |
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Post by flanz on Aug 4, 2020 17:28:13 GMT
Deplorable!
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Post by chlerbie on Aug 4, 2020 19:05:29 GMT
Handcuffing a six year old?! Just absolutely unacceptable. If that had been a white family, the children would have been moved to the back of a police cruiser. How is a six year old considered dangerous by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by luckyjune on Aug 4, 2020 19:22:35 GMT
It.just.keeps.happening.
So, what is the answer? Two of my neighbors are officers, one mid/late career, one fresh out of the academy. I adore both of them. The mid/late career's wife and I (whom I also adore) cannot talk about this much. I understand her perspective. She is protective of her family and she worries each and every night if her husband will make it home safely, which really isn't part of my reality. I don't begrudge her her POV, at all. We both agree that LEOs, like teachers, have been dumped on in terms of dealing with what society doesn't want to deal with.
DH and I had this discussion last week, so I'm wondering what the peas believe. What will it take to make the changes necessary in law enforcement AND still allow police to keep citizens who make less-than-stellar decisions accountable for their actions?
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