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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 4:55:57 GMT
I am sick of this shit. If this is the best we've got, we might as well be in the stone age. Making children lie on the ground w/their hands tied behind them while a child screams in terror, because the LEOs MADE A MISTAKE. I can't anymore. "Aurora police apologized after a group of Black girls were detained and at least two handcuffed during a weekend investigation of a stolen car. Officers later determined that the vehicle they were seeking had the same license plate number but was from out of state. A video taken Sunday by a bystander shows the children, ranging in age from 6 to 17 years old, in a parking lot in Aurora, where there have recently been protests over the death of a 23-year-old Black man, Elijah McClain, who was stopped by police last year, KUSA-TV reported. The video shows the 17-year-old and 12-year-old lying on their stomachs with their hands cuffed behind their backs and a 14-year-old girl lying next to the 6-year-old, also on their stomachs, in a parking lot next to the car. They can be heard crying and screaming as officers stand with their back to the camera. A woman on the other side of the car is shown being led away in handcuffs. An officer eventually helps the handcuffed 17-year-old and 12-year-old sit up but leaves them sitting with their hands behind their backs. Police then determined they had stopped the wrong car. It had Colorado license plates but a motorcycle with the same license plate number from Montana was the vehicle that had been reported as stolen on Sunday." www.denverpost.com/2020/08/03/aurora-police-black-kids-stolen-car-mixup/
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 4, 2020 5:03:34 GMT
OMG those poor kids! They must have been so terrified!
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 4, 2020 5:30:15 GMT
"They were looking for a stolen motorcycle with Montana plates. And stopped an SUV with Colorado plates"
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 4, 2020 7:53:30 GMT
Those poor children! JFC!
But hey, the plate number was right, THOUGH IT WAS A CAR & THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A MOTORCYCLE!
But if the passengers are POC, it must be stolen, right? /s
There needs to be serious repercussions for wrong actions like this.
I feel sick.
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Post by janeliz on Aug 4, 2020 11:02:11 GMT
My God. This police department is rotten and incompetent. Horrifying.
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Post by Dallie on Aug 4, 2020 12:02:21 GMT
Forty plus years ago, my date and I were pulled over by A cop as we were driving through a bad part of town en route to somewhere else. Cop said car was stolen, although my date had the paperwork. Cuffed him and laid him out in the road, not sidewalk, just like that photo above. Eventually put him in the cop car. Leaving me alone on a bad street in a bad part of town, pre cell phone, no pay phone anywhere in sight. Date freaks out about my safety. Cop takes car keys and gives them to me so I can wait in the car for a taxi he calls for me.
Wait. Car is "stolen" and Cop. Gives. Me. The. Keys? Oh hell no. Something is rotten.
On the way to the cop shop, Cop confessed he pulled my date over because he had long hair and the cops have a bet going about how many "long hairs" they can bring into the station. Winner gets a case of beer.
Nothing has changed. Small dicks with too much power.
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Post by Olan on Aug 4, 2020 12:26:42 GMT
I am glad that at least one officer exhibited some kindness. He seemed to want to help and calm the kids.
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Post by Merge on Aug 4, 2020 13:15:03 GMT
I think the Aurora PD needs to be cleaned out and started over. Clearly something has gone very wrong in their hiring and training practices.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 4, 2020 13:17:05 GMT
I can't even form words to say what I feel.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 4, 2020 13:26:13 GMT
@dallie wow! That is a crazy story. From some of the stories and podcasts that I have listened to, it seems that the whole justice system is messed up in a lot of ways, including lawyers, judges, police officers having lost the perspective to see how situations like this can harm people. From trauma to not being able to get housing, financial problems, work issues, etc. What members of the legal system seem to think are "minor" and inconsequential interactions with the law can really cause serious consequences for people.
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Post by Dallie on Aug 4, 2020 13:53:22 GMT
@dallie wow! That is a crazy story. From some of the stories and podcasts that I have listened to, it seems that the whole justice system is messed up in a lot of ways, including lawyers, judges, police officers having lost the perspective to see how situations like this can harm people. From trauma to not being able to get housing, financial problems, work issues, etc. What members of the legal system seem to think are "minor" and inconsequential interactions with the law can really cause serious consequences for people. Indeed. My date could have been run over. In my case, I was going to be dumped in a bad part of town with no way out. How would that have ended for me? And the cop was so concerned about "winning" the bet and getting beer that he was absolutely not concerned about my safety until my date freaked out. So much for protect and serve. The other lesson I learned is how easily we are brainwashed into thinking that "if only we behaved properly", the cops would leave us alone: When my date's father came to pick him up at the cop shop, instead of being indignant at how his son (and date) were treated, he told him that "If only you would have cut your hair, this wouldn't have happened." And that is the kind of apologia attitude that we have expected blacks to have -- IF ONLY they would behave "right", the cops will not do anything. Big Fat Lie.
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 4, 2020 13:55:09 GMT
I guess I would've gone to jail because I wouldn't have been able to stand there silently while those children were on the ground crying and screaming. What the fuck is wrong with people??? WHY were any of them on the ground but most of all, A SIX YEAR OLD???
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Post by busy on Aug 4, 2020 14:02:40 GMT
I am glad that at least one officer exhibited some kindness. He seemed to want to help and calm the kids. That’s your takeaway?
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 4, 2020 14:12:34 GMT
I have a very good friend who is an Aurora Policeman.. he is the nicest guy ever. He once got behind a car that was sitting on an off ramp that seemed to be having problems, went up to help them out, guy got out of the car with a hatchet and proceed to try to hit him over the head (with the blade). It was horrible. My friend after getting stitched up was okay but it sure took a toll on the kids and his wife. You never want to get that call on the 'special phone' in the middle of the night. Aurora has some not so good areas. (NOT that they have any right to pull those girls over at all). Aurora is just one of those funky towns that go from high end to low end within a few blocks. The town gets a bad rap. But I do agree, something needs to be done...
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Post by shevy on Aug 4, 2020 14:19:24 GMT
An apology is worthless and not nearly enough for what they caused to those children. The department/city should be paying for counseling for them and announcing big changes in policy. as Trump would HUGE changes.
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Post by Olan on Aug 4, 2020 14:23:14 GMT
I have a very good friend who is an Aurora Policeman.. he is the nicest guy ever. He once got behind a car that was sitting on an off ramp that seemed to be having problems, went up to help them out, guy got out of the car with a hatchet and proceed to try to hit him over the head (with the blade). It was horrible. My friend after getting stitched up was okay but it sure took a toll on the kids and his wife. You never want to get that call on the 'special phone' in the middle of the night. Aurora has some not so good areas. (NOT that they have any right to pull those girls over at all). Aurora is just one of those funky towns that go from high end to low end within a few blocks. The town gets a bad rap. But I do agree, something needs to be done...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2020 14:24:22 GMT
speachless here!
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 4, 2020 14:37:35 GMT
Just cops being cops...but they're not all bad. *sarcasm*
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 4, 2020 14:50:20 GMT
I think the Aurora PD needs to be cleaned out and started over. Clearly something has gone very wrong in their hiring and training practices. they voted last night on the new police chief. Hopefully she cleans house
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Post by ddly on Aug 4, 2020 14:55:18 GMT
I'm right there with you! How can you mistake an SUV for a motorcycle? I hope that there is some discipline for these morons. SUV . . . motorcycle . . .
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Post by Olan on Aug 4, 2020 14:56:38 GMT
Yes it is. I don't agree with the fact that it took 5 officers to finally figure out they had the wrong vehicle. I don't agree that they were handcuffed and put on the ground. I simply said, that the one officer exhibited some kindness. He could have easily ignored them and just stood by. He did take the time to try to comfort them. Not every officer is evil. People on this board seem to forget these officers are fathers and sons. Just like the general population, some are kinder than others.
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Post by ddly on Aug 4, 2020 14:58:34 GMT
Forty plus years ago, my date and I were pulled over by A cop as we were driving through a bad part of town en route to somewhere else. Cop said car was stolen, although my date had the paperwork. Cuffed him and laid him out in the road, not sidewalk, just like that photo above. Eventually put him in the cop car. Leaving me alone on a bad street in a bad part of town, pre cell phone, no pay phone anywhere in sight. Date freaks out about my safety. Cop takes car keys and gives them to me so I can wait in the car for a taxi he calls for me. Wait. Car is "stolen" and Cop. Gives. Me. The. Keys? Oh hell no. Something is rotten. On the way to the cop shop, Cop confessed he pulled my date over because he had long hair and the cops have a bet going about how many "long hairs" they can bring into the station. Winner gets a case of beer. Nothing has changed. Small dicks with too much power. That's awful! I live in VT and while we may be seen as liberal Bernie lovers, this is a pretty racist (and white) state. I don't think I met a POC until I was in high school and it was at camp and he wasn't from VT. Things I hear my students say sometimes almost knock me over. Trying to explain to them why it isn't okay is so difficult because they are raised to believe such awful things. Having a president that condones these behaviors just makes it that much more difficult.
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Post by Lexica on Aug 4, 2020 15:12:29 GMT
I guess I would've gone to jail because I wouldn't have been able to stand there silently while those children were on the ground crying and screaming. What the fuck is wrong with people??? WHY were any of them on the ground but most of all, A SIX YEAR OLD??? Me too. I would have been asking the mom if I could please hold the little girl to try to calm her down. Shame on those officers. This is what gives police officers a bad name. Where is the common sense?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2020 15:31:00 GMT
All kinds of things went wrong in the situation... Including BAD info in the PD system/computers!! ** "I (police chief) have called (Gilliam's) family to apologize and to offer any help we can provide, especially for the children who may have been traumatized by yesterday's events," Interim Chief of Police Vanessa Wilson said late Monday. "I have reached out to our victim advocates so we can offer age-appropriate therapy that the city will cover." ** when Aurora police pulled up behind her vehicle with guns drawn and yelled for them to put their hands out of the window and to get out of the car. Gilliam and the girls got out of the vehicle and were told to lay face down on the ground, she said. At that time, police handcuffed Gilliam, her sister and niece. Gilliam said the police wouldn't tell her why she was pulled over until she was handcuffed. Aurora police told Gilliam her vehicle was stolen, she said. Gilliam said she told them her vehicle has been stolen in February, but that it was cleared up. She said she offered to show them the vehicle registration and insurance paperwork. Gilliam's attorney emphasized to CNN that when the vehicle was stolen in February, it was returned to her the next day by the Aurora Police. Gilliam said she asked why the kids were being handcuffed and she was told officers handcuff kids when they get hostile. "If you wanted to place me in handcuffs at that point, I would have gladly agreed to that because you had a job to do and you did it under the right protocol, but you pointed a gun at four kids and then you proceeded to start handcuffing the kids," Gilliam said. Gilliam said police later told her about the mix-up. ** Officers were alerted to a possible stolen vehicle just before 11 a.m. Sunday, according to a statement from the department. They stopped a vehicle matching the license plate and description, ordered the people inside onto the ground and placed some in handcuffs, police said. After the stop, officers realized the car Gilliam was driving was not stolen, but that another vehicle with the same plate information but from a different state had been, police said in the statement. "The confusion may have been due, in part, to the fact that the stopped car was reported stolen earlier in the year," the statement said. "After realizing the mistake, officers immediately unhandcuffed everyone involved, explained what happened and apologized." ** www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/us/aurora-police-draw-guns-girls/index.html
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Post by MichyM on Aug 4, 2020 15:35:16 GMT
Honest to god, I am losing faith in humanity.
And yes, I’m having a rough few days, but still. This is just disgusting.
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Post by catmom on Aug 4, 2020 15:44:18 GMT
All kinds of things went wrong in the situation... Including BAD info in the PD system/computers!! ** "I (police chief) have called (Gilliam's) family to apologize and to offer any help we can provide, especially for the children who may have been traumatized by yesterday's events," Interim Chief of Police Vanessa Wilson said late Monday. "I have reached out to our victim advocates so we can offer age-appropriate therapy that the city will cover." ** when Aurora police pulled up behind her vehicle with guns drawn and yelled for them to put their hands out of the window and to get out of the car. Gilliam and the girls got out of the vehicle and were told to lay face down on the ground, she said. At that time, police handcuffed Gilliam, her sister and niece. Gilliam said the police wouldn't tell her why she was pulled over until she was handcuffed. Aurora police told Gilliam her vehicle was stolen, she said. Gilliam said she told them her vehicle has been stolen in February, but that it was cleared up. She said she offered to show them the vehicle registration and insurance paperwork. Gilliam's attorney emphasized to CNN that when the vehicle was stolen in February, it was returned to her the next day by the Aurora Police. Gilliam said she asked why the kids were being handcuffed and she was told officers handcuff kids when they get hostile. "If you wanted to place me in handcuffs at that point, I would have gladly agreed to that because you had a job to do and you did it under the right protocol, but you pointed a gun at four kids and then you proceeded to start handcuffing the kids," Gilliam said. Gilliam said police later told her about the mix-up. ** Officers were alerted to a possible stolen vehicle just before 11 a.m. Sunday, according to a statement from the department. They stopped a vehicle matching the license plate and description, ordered the people inside onto the ground and placed some in handcuffs, police said. After the stop, officers realized the car Gilliam was driving was not stolen, but that another vehicle with the same plate information but from a different state had been, police said in the statement. "The confusion may have been due, in part, to the fact that the stopped car was reported stolen earlier in the year," the statement said. "After realizing the mistake, officers immediately unhandcuffed everyone involved, explained what happened and apologized." ** www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/us/aurora-police-draw-guns-girls/index.htmlAnd this is the result of the training that began in the 90's to teach police to look at everyone as a potential criminal. They lose the ability to read a situation and behave like normal human beings. Those poor kids - I can't even imagine how traumatizing that must have been. More and more I think the police unions, all police training and the entire thing needs to be flushed to start over.
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Post by Olan on Aug 4, 2020 15:48:40 GMT
Why do you think this happened?
Can you imagine a scenario that would place white women and children on the pavement face down?
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 4, 2020 16:01:45 GMT
I have a very good friend who is an Aurora Policeman.. he is the nicest guy ever. He once got behind a car that was sitting on an off ramp that seemed to be having problems, went up to help them out, guy got out of the car with a hatchet and proceed to try to hit him over the head (with the blade). It was horrible. My friend after getting stitched up was okay but it sure took a toll on the kids and his wife. You never want to get that call on the 'special phone' in the middle of the night. Aurora has some not so good areas. (NOT that they have any right to pull those girls over at all). Aurora is just one of those funky towns that go from high end to low end within a few blocks. The town gets a bad rap. But I do agree, something needs to be done... This is not a commentary on the town. All towns have better and less than better areas. It is a commentary on the actions of a group of police officers who collectively must have felt this was appropriate. No matter what part of any town I am in, I can tell the difference between a motorcycle and an SUV. I also know that a group in an SUV out for a girl's spa day would not have been a threat to society if they had been allowed to wait in their car until law enforcement could have determined if it was an SUV or a motorcycle. And ok, I'll take your word that there is one good officer in that town. What percentage is that? Was he the same one that seemed concerned? I know good people that drive SUVs to spa days. I wasn't trying to defend the town or whatever.. just explaining to those who are not familiar with Aurora as best as I could. It could happen in any town any day. My friend wasn't there, he works a different division (I don't know how all that works... he is a traffic police so usually he isn't involved in any of these type cases).. And in any other town, there are the good cops and bad. We all know that.
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Post by busy on Aug 4, 2020 16:05:30 GMT
Yes it is. I don't agree with the fact that it took 5 officers to finally figure out they had the wrong vehicle. I don't agree that they were handcuffed and put on the ground. I simply said, that the one officer exhibited some kindness. He could have easily ignored them and just stood by. He did take the time to try to comfort them. Not every officer is evil. People on this board seem to forget these officers are fathers and sons. Just like the general population, some are kinder than others. To be quite frank, I don't give a shit if some of the officers are fathers and sons. That doesn't make them good people. I'd like to believe there are more good cops than bad but even the ones who don't do things like this generally turn a blind eye to the ones who do. There's a perverse sense of loyalty to other cops - even wrongdoers - over the community they've sworn to protect and serve. The fact that one of those officers exhibiting a tiny shred of humanity stands out shows how fucked our expectations of policing are.
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Post by Olan on Aug 4, 2020 16:10:45 GMT
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