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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 20, 2020 20:28:35 GMT
My youngest is in high school but once he is done I would like to move out of the Bay Area for at least a while. It’s been 25 years since I lived across the country for college and I just feel restless like I want to go somewhere new. And these fires and droughts are killing me. We did not used to have fires like this.
I have a list of towns I stalk on Zillow in the evenings but hoping you peas can help expand my list. I am loosely thinking of buying an investment property somewhere sooner than later (and renting out) but something I might want to move to as well when ready.
Must haves: - scenic outdoor recreation — access to national parks is a big plus - lots of hiking trails and water near by - a cute or interesting town (big or small) - fairly liberal and open minded people - no hot and humid summers
Nice to haves: - cold winters but not brutally so - large healthcare employer in the area - semi tourist destination since if I might want to use as Vrbo - reasonably good airport within an hour distance
On my list right now: - Portland, OR - Bend, OR - Cannon Beach,OR I considered but I think it is too cold year round and quiet - Bozeman, MT which is shockingly expensive and probably too cold for me but I’m super intrigued by Montana - Jackson seems great but likely too expensive
Would love to hear your ideas
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Post by maryannscraps on Aug 20, 2020 20:32:34 GMT
A friend who lives in Seattle has been posting the most beautiful pictures of her hikes in the Cascade Mountains. It makes me want to move there.
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Post by cecilia on Aug 20, 2020 20:59:13 GMT
Hot Springs, AR. Only National Park that is in an urban setting.
It is pretty conservative. With that said there are pockets of liberalism here. Particularly Wednesday Night Poetry at Kollective Coffee+ Tea and UUVC, a church in HS Village.
Hot Springs has an airport. At one time it had flights to DFW. The airport at Little Rock is around an hour one way. Maybe 75 minutes at most.
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Post by flanz on Aug 20, 2020 21:02:24 GMT
I'm in your shoes to an extent. Sooo weary of dealing with wildfire risks and actual wildfires, as well as The Big One earthquake risk. Part of me detests the idea of leaving our chosen family/tribe of friends and colleagues here. Part of me wants to run to an area where these particular risks are not an issue. No tornado or hurricane prone areas either.
Friends of our recently moved back to their home town of Buffalo, partly because looking at the effects of climate change they feel it's one of the safest areas. My home province of ON, Canada is similar. And mighty appealing right now. If DH only ever planned to retire, as it will take a LOT to get him to leave his very fulfilling career here....
Good luck. I understand your angst.
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Post by scorpeao on Aug 20, 2020 21:02:25 GMT
As I was reading your want list I was thinking Bend,Or. I don't know how cold it gets, but I visited Boulder, Co in August and fell in love with it. Those are my two dream places to retire.
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Post by compeateropeator on Aug 20, 2020 21:34:36 GMT
West coast only? Or are you open to the East, specifically New England?
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 20, 2020 21:49:34 GMT
A friend who lives in Seattle has been posting the most beautiful pictures of her hikes in the Cascade Mountains. It makes me want to move there. I agree - I’ve looked at islands around Seattle namely the San Juan’s and Vashon We did visit Boulder and the RMNP which we loved but not sure I could see myself there. Yes, love New England and open to places there - or anywhere - as long as near an airport
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Post by ntsf on Aug 20, 2020 22:37:27 GMT
outside everett wa. (snohomish, monroe, etc).. new little airport at paine field.. whidbey island, good health care, not far to recreation.. port townsend. (a bit far from airport).. or for a real different experience.. my brother's child lives in port roberts wa.. near vancover bc airport or bellingham wa.. commuting distance to bellingham..and they have zero covid. a lovely community.
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Post by greendragonlady on Aug 20, 2020 22:40:02 GMT
A friend who lives in Seattle has been posting the most beautiful pictures of her hikes in the Cascade Mountains. It makes me want to move there. I agree - I’ve looked at islands around Seattle namely the San Juan’s and Vashon We did visit Boulder and the RMNP which we loved but not sure I could see myself there. Yes, love New England and open to places there - or anywhere - as long as near an airport I live about 15 minutes from the Manchester, NH airport. We love it...we can scoot to Boston for the day if we want, we're near the ocean, we can go to Lake Winnipesaukee quickly, there's lots of hiking, etc.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 20, 2020 23:10:40 GMT
Must haves: - scenic outdoor recreation — access to national parks is a big plus - lots of hiking trails and water near by - a cute or interesting town (big or small) - fairly liberal and open minded people - no hot and humid summers
Nice to haves: - cold winters but not brutally so - large healthcare employer in the area - semi tourist destination since if I might want to use as Vrbo - reasonably good airport within an hour distance
On my list right now: - Portland, OR - Bend, OR - Cannon Beach,OR I considered but I think it is too cold year round and quiet - Bozeman, MT which is shockingly expensive and probably too cold for me but I’m super intrigued by Montana - Jackson seems great but likely too expensive
Portland definitely fits your musts and nots list, The hiking here is amazing and diverse, you are about a hour away from the coast or mountains depending on which way you go. We also have the gorge area that has incredible water sport availability and stunning waterfall hiking. Seattle is the only other area on the upper west coast that would fit your criteria, but the city proper is very expensive and traffic is just insane and seems to get worse every time I visit. Bend gets pretty damn hot in the summer and gets a fair amount of snow in the winter. I also don’t think it has a what anyone would consider a decent airport anywhere near it. Cannon beach is lovely, but it would not have any large medical employer nor an airport. It would also not be very pleasant in the winter.
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Post by compeateropeator on Aug 20, 2020 23:14:28 GMT
I am going to go with the Burlington, Vermont area/Chittenden county (Surprise surprise that is always my answer hahaha)
Close to a lot of outdoor activites, hiking, biking, skiing, kayaking, etc. Within 20 to 30 minutes (or closer)/to places of great beauty but still close enough to bigger cities.
Some Pros: Lake Champlain - large enough lake for sailing and such many lakes and ponds, hiking trails, ski trails, biking trails,etc Burlington International Airport - big enough to get to various hubs but also have options like Manchester, Boston, Albany, and Montreal. within a couple of hours to Montreal a little over 3 hours to Boston or the NH/Maine seacoast. Close to Cape Cod. a Good medical center with a level 1 trauma center 4 seasons a lot of emphasis On Farm to table, sustainable living, environmental issues
Some Cons: Expensive might have more winter than your really want.
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Post by Sorrel on Aug 20, 2020 23:22:10 GMT
Fort Collins, CO?
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Post by peasquared on Aug 20, 2020 23:28:47 GMT
I vote for Bozeman!
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Post by finaledition on Aug 20, 2020 23:29:16 GMT
Leavenworth, Washington comes to mind. I’m not sure about the people there, but checks a lot of your boxes.
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Post by Belle on Aug 20, 2020 23:31:30 GMT
In WA state - Bainbridge Island Sequim Gig Harbor Camano Island Whidbey Island ( Langley, Coopville, Oak Harbor) Anacortes
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Post by hmp on Aug 20, 2020 23:36:46 GMT
Cape Cod meets most of your criteria.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 20, 2020 23:38:03 GMT
Leavenworth, Washington comes to mind. I’m not sure about the people there, but checks a lot of your boxes. Winters aren’t mild there. For someone from California 4 months of snow and accompanying temperatures might be considered brutal. I personally would consider it perfect and lovely, but it does occasionally get some good snow storms.
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Post by mikewozowski on Aug 20, 2020 23:42:07 GMT
no hot and humid summers should narrow it down quite a bit for you.
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Post by luckyjune on Aug 20, 2020 23:42:19 GMT
outside everett wa. (snohomish, monroe, etc).. new little airport at paine field.. whidbey island, good health care, not far to recreation.. port townsend. (a bit far from airport).. or for a real different experience.. my brother's child lives in port roberts wa.. near vancover bc airport or bellingham wa.. commuting distance to bellingham..and they have zero covid. a lovely community. Seconding all of this. I live in one of the towns mentioned and I'd really reccommend Bellingham for the following reasons: 1. Close to mountains for trails and skiing 2. College town with a great arts scene 3. Close to Canada, with a couple of border crossings (when the borders open again) 4. About as liberal as they come (until you head north to Lynden) 5. Airport (I know Alaska flies to Hawaii from there) 6. Awesome old-town downtown. The Food Co-op is one of my favorite places to shop 7. Winters tend to be colder up there. Summers are temperate. 8. Sits on the water 9. Home to the Alaska ferry terminal 10. Has the Fairhaven neighborhood, which houses my favorite bookstore ever (Fairhaven Books) 11. St. Joe's hospital is in the north part of town. DD had to have her gallbladder removed there (emergency) when she was a Sophomore at the university. She got excellent care. I loved that the university records were synched with the hospital records 12. Public transportation is pretty good for a city that size I went to college in Bellingham, as did my husband and two of our three kids. I'd move there in a heartbeat and may do so after retirement.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 20, 2020 23:46:15 GMT
The number one selling zip code in the US right now is 80911.
It meets most of your want list.
Must haves: - scenic outdoor recreation — access to national parks is a big plus - lots of hiking trails and water near by - a cute or interesting town (big or small) It's got some cute towns next to it. - fairly liberal and open minded people - no hot and humid summers
Nice to haves: - cold winters but not brutally so - large healthcare employer in the area - semi tourist destination since if I might want to use as Vrbo - reasonably good airport within an hour distance (90 minutes)
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Post by cecilia on Aug 21, 2020 0:32:14 GMT
Summers in Hot Springs can be brutal.
There are monthly gallery walk nights. Documentary film festival, art festival, arts and crafts fair.
Most businesses here survive on tourist money. One downtown store owner said 80% of her sales are to tourists.
2 hospitals here. Plenty of PCP. There is a CDP that is namely a retirement village. It has something like 5 lakes, 7 golf courses, and hiking trails. That is north of Hot Springs. Does have snowbirds. Gated.
There are 3 lakes surrounding Hot Springs proper. There is one south of Hot Springs. Plenty of trails. Plenty of restaurants.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Aug 21, 2020 0:45:40 GMT
Leavenworth, Washington comes to mind. I’m not sure about the people there, but checks a lot of your boxes. I came to post this too. OP’s criteria is cold winter but not brutally so. Obviously everyone will have a different opinion on what’s too cold, but I think Leavenworth is seldom what most would consider brutal, and it’s so beautiful in the winter.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 21, 2020 1:03:41 GMT
Leavenworth, Washington comes to mind. I’m not sure about the people there, but checks a lot of your boxes. I came to post this too. OP’s criteria is cold winter but not brutally so. Obviously everyone will have a different opinion on what’s too cold, but I think Leavenworth is seldom what most would consider brutal, and it’s so beautiful in the winter. yes! Washington is fine by brutal winter I was thinking more like Minnesota:) this town looks awesome love the proximity to Canada and Vancouver island. I used to go to Qualicum Beach as a kid and I love the PNW islands.
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Post by pancakes on Aug 21, 2020 1:24:39 GMT
Honestly, anything on the Kitsap Peninsula would be relatively affordable and close to both nature and the Seattle airport.
As much as I love the northeast, I worry the winters are too cold for your criteria (since you said Cannon Beach was too cold).
It’s not liberal, but Salt Lake City could be a decent contender for proximity to the outdoors and affordability. There’s the whole conservative Mormon contingent, but also a huge population of outdoorsy people that I know are more liberal.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 21, 2020 1:27:51 GMT
Honestly, anything on the Kitsap Peninsula would be relatively affordable and close to both nature and the Seattle airport. As much as I love the northeast, I worry the winters are too cold for your criteria (since you said Cannon Beach was too cold). It’s not liberal, but Salt Lake City could be a decent contender for proximity to the outdoors and affordability. There’s the whole conservative Mormon contingent, but also a huge population of outdoorsy people that I know are more liberal. the reason I said Cannon Beach is too cold because it seems it is fairly cold year round. I mean San Francisco is also cool year round but I was thinking Cannon Beach has even fewer warm days but maybe I’m wrong.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 21, 2020 1:29:13 GMT
Cape Cod meets most of your criteria. I look at real estate on cape cod frequently - would love to live there even with cold winters. If any of my kids end up in grad school on the east coast I would look more seriously.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 21, 2020 1:31:05 GMT
I’m super intrigued by Montana I just bought a guide book and am planning a toad trip there next summer. I hear great things about Bozeman (Boise, ID too). Surprisingly a lot of people from Bay Area are moving out there.
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Post by Really Red on Aug 21, 2020 1:35:09 GMT
I want to play! I’m ready to move, too, but I don’t want to be on the West Coast
I lived in Colorado Springs and it was an incredible place to live. Definitely on the conservative side, but you cannot beat it for fabulous outdoor activities. I believe it has 250 days of sunshine a year and the nights are fresh and there’s very low humidity. No mosquitoes! I highly recommend. I think it fulfills nearly all your requirements.
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Post by pancakes on Aug 21, 2020 1:36:00 GMT
I’m super intrigued by Montana I just bought a guide book and am planning a toad trip there next summer. I hear great things about Bozeman (Boise, ID too). Surprisingly a lot of people from Bay Area are moving out there. It’s only about an hour and a half to Yellowstone and even closer to Big Sky! My only caveat with MT and ID are that most of the people are quite conservative, if that is an important factor for you.
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Post by snyder on Aug 21, 2020 1:37:46 GMT
The number one selling zip code in the US right now is 80911. It meets most of your want list. Must haves: - scenic outdoor recreation — access to national parks is a big plus - lots of hiking trails and water near by - a cute or interesting town (big or small) It's got some cute towns next to it. - fairly liberal and open minded people - no hot and humid summers Nice to haves: - cold winters but not brutally so - large healthcare employer in the area - semi tourist destination since if I might want to use as Vrbo - reasonably good airport within an hour distance (90 minutes) This zip in right next to the army base Ft Carson, not bad, but I personally would prefer 80906 or one up further north like 80918, 80919 or 80920. Those are closer to the USAFA.
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