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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 21, 2020 18:44:38 GMT
My DGS is a 3rd year student at Montana State and my DD just returned from driving with him there. I was surprised to hear her say she could easily retire in Bozeman. She loves it there. It is nearly 1800 miles where she lives now. Hope to make it out there soon. The pictures are gorgeous. MSU has become a popular school for kids from here to apply to as a back up to the UCs which have become so unbelievably competitive. I have a friend who has 2 daughters both going to MSU and they are moving there. They were going to go to Boulder where she went to school but Boulder is one of the very few towns that rivals our town in expensive real estate. She claims “Bozeman is what Boulder used to be”
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 21, 2020 19:10:25 GMT
my husband and I just got a condo in sun valley idaho... and spilled hay off a truck was a lead news story... idaho is very conservative outside sun valley and parts of boise. and its winters are cold. whidbey island, the san juans and sequim are all in the rainshadow of the olympics.. so it rains lessr there. grey skies but less rain. "spilled hay off a truck was a lead news story" made me laugh out loud. Other places mentioned: I love the idea of Santa Fe and Arizona and Utah and Colorado. I have become obsessed with the four corners region, the national parks (Bryce, Zion, Arches, Mesa Verde and on and on), the pueblos of Arizona and Santa Fe, Navajo Nation there is so much I want to learn and explore in that area. However I don't think I could live there. That landscape is spectacular but I think I want to live somewhere more green. Minneapolis: we visited last year and I LOVED it. Yes I even came home and looked at real estate there. Right now I think it is too cold. If either of my kids had chosen U of M (they both applied and got in) I would be looking more seriously there. I was super impressed with the cities emphasis on outdoor recreation and their network of trails. Also great food, architecture, arts and friendly people (I have never experienced such patient drivers (aka no road rage) as when we drove through Minnesota)). Portland is definitely at the top of my list - I have relatives there, it has much better value for your money than here, I can live somewhere were trails are in my backyard, it has a funky independent vibe and excellent food scene and I think the weather might be perfect (possibly too cold but everywhere is getting warmer). Bend also appeals to me as a more remote, outdoor possibly laid back lifestyle. If I am on the west coast i don't think it is as important to be right next to a good airport. Both my DH and I work completely remote. I am super intrigued by the Islands around Seattle though and planned a future road trip that goes like this: - Portland --> Seattle --> Langley or Coupeville on Whidbey Island --> AnaCortes --> Eastsound on Orcas Island --> Bellingham (comments on this welcome!)
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Post by ntsf on Aug 21, 2020 20:14:13 GMT
luckyjune!!! my mother in law lives off north bluff road, about a mile from the greenbank farm.. and volunteered for years at the ft casey museum.. she made anything like curtains, donated old books, etc. my father in law went to WWU, my mother in law went there for a time (she quit when they married), my dh graduated from there.. first class in computer science.. and I went there for one year.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Aug 21, 2020 20:19:00 GMT
Probably not on your radar, but Spokane, Wa has a lot of the things on your list.
Tons of hiking opportunities here and close around Spokane and Coeur D'alene ID.
Lots and lots of water sports- fishing, paddle boarding, kayaking, jet skiing, boating at all the local lakes and rivers.
Several snow skiing mountains within an hour or so drive in the Mountains.
One of our top employers is health care.
International airport 20 mins from downtown.
4-6 hour drive to National parks (Glacier in MT, North Cascades National park WA, Olympic National Park WA etc...) Summers are pretty mild with only a couple random days north of 90 degrees (unless you have a crazy pressure system that is affecting the whole west coast LOL) almost zero humidity.
Winters do have snow, but in the 19 years we've been here, only one winter was crazy where the city basically shut down due to the amount of snow received in 24 hours. It was the only year my kids missed school for a snow day. So it's definitely not normally brutal.
Lots of VBRO and airbnb opportunities.
As more and more people move here from California and the Washington Coast (due to housing costs still being lower than in those locations), the tide is turning on the political bent here. It's become much more liberal than it was when we first moved here and the people here are really nice. My dd lives in Ca with her dh as he is in the Military and one thing she always says when she visits is "gosh I miss nice people. No one where we live waves or says hi, everyone here does and I really miss it."
In 2018 we were in the 10 ten best places to retire list on Livability.com
Good luck finding your place to land! So many great places to consider!
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 21, 2020 21:18:22 GMT
I love the idea of Santa Fe and Arizona and Utah and Colorado. I have become obsessed with the four corners region, the national parks (Bryce, Zion, Arches, Mesa Verde and on and on), the pueblos of Arizona and Santa Fe, Navajo Nation there is so much I want to learn and explore in that area. However I don't think I could live there. That landscape is spectacular but I think I want to live somewhere more green. My sister lives in Durango, CO, so she’s not far from Mesa Verde (30-45 min) and the 4 corners area (90 min), but it’s definitely more green... very piney. I tried to convince my husband to move there a few years ago.
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Post by luckyjune on Aug 21, 2020 21:24:38 GMT
luckyjune!!! my mother in law lives off north bluff road, about a mile from the greenbank farm.. and volunteered for years at the ft casey museum.. she made anything like curtains, donated old books, etc. my father in law went to WWU, my mother in law went there for a time (she quit when they married), my dh graduated from there.. first class in computer science.. and I went there for one year. My youngest ds is looking to buy his first house and just toured one in Greenbank! LOVE Western. When did you DH graduate? When were you there? We graduated in '87, education (me) and business admin (DH).
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 21, 2020 21:46:51 GMT
I love the idea of Santa Fe and Arizona and Utah and Colorado. I have become obsessed with the four corners region, the national parks (Bryce, Zion, Arches, Mesa Verde and on and on), the pueblos of Arizona and Santa Fe, Navajo Nation there is so much I want to learn and explore in that area. However I don't think I could live there. That landscape is spectacular but I think I want to live somewhere more green. My sister lives in Durango, CO, so she’s not far from Mesa Verde (30-45 min) and the 4 corners area (90 min), but it’s definitely more green... very piney. I tried to convince my husband to move there a few years ago. Biggest downside compared to list is reasonably good airport. Durango's airport pretty much guarantees you're flying through Denver or Phoenix and 2x a normal cost. I don't consider it a good airport at all. But then I put airport access extremely high on my list.
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Post by meridon on Aug 22, 2020 2:20:27 GMT
Leavenworth, Washington comes to mind. I’m not sure about the people there, but checks a lot of your boxes. Eastern WA is very fire prone also. I just got evacuation alerts for the Wenatchee area a couple of weeks ago. So while Leavenworth, etc. are very pretty, be mindful of the fire risk. If you lived in Everett, WA, we'd be neighbors! If you were on Whidbey Island, I could wave every time I go to my favorite park!
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Post by jemmls4 on Aug 22, 2020 2:43:33 GMT
West coast only? Or are you open to the East, specifically New England? I love New England (my dad’s side of the family lives there), but the entire Eastern seaboard is horrifyingly expensive.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 22, 2020 3:10:33 GMT
Friday Harbor, Washington. I could see it from my old bedroom. It’s beautiful and has a great PNW or Southwest Coast Climate. That’s how they do our weather. It’s cute, beautiful, climate is both summer and winter but neither are too severe and it’s amazing!
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 22, 2020 3:46:28 GMT
Friday Harbor, Washington. I could see it from my old bedroom. It’s beautiful and has a great PNW or Southwest Coast Climate. That’s how they do our weather. It’s cute, beautiful, climate is both summer and winter but neither are too severe and it’s amazing! Thank you! looking at this town right now, very cute
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Post by Kath on Aug 22, 2020 4:56:45 GMT
It’s not liberal, but Salt Lake City could be a decent contender for proximity to the outdoors and affordability. There’s the whole conservative Mormon contingent, but also a huge population of outdoorsy people that I know are more liberal. Salt Lake City itself is actually quite liberal, but if you get into the suburbs or rural areas, it’s definitely very conservative. Park City ticks off all of the things on your list. I love Park City, so beautiful, lots of shops and restaurants and wonderful views. That’s where I’d choose to live if I lived in Utah.
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Post by Kath on Aug 22, 2020 5:12:05 GMT
Definitely go and check Bozeman out and see what you think. I was surprised by how little I ended up liking it compared to some of the other cities in Montana. I had always heard about how gorgeous and great it was and then I got there and it was a bit of a letdown.
It’s average pretty like much of Montana. There are some places that are drop dead gorgeous in Montana, but I wouldn’t say Bozeman is one of them. It does have the university and the airport close by, but several other cities/towns in Montana have the same.
On your list, I personally really like the eastern side of the Portland area, anywhere along the Columbia River. Breathtaking in places.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 22, 2020 5:20:03 GMT
Leavenworth, Washington comes to mind. I’m not sure about the people there, but checks a lot of your boxes. Eastern WA is very fire prone also. I just got evacuation alerts for the Wenatchee area a couple of weeks ago. So while Leavenworth, etc. are very pretty, be mindful of the fire risk. If you lived in Everett, WA, we'd be neighbors! If you were on Whidbey Island, I could wave every time I go to my favorite park! that's another thing I thought about recently, I don't want to move to *another* area with horrible wildfires
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 22, 2020 5:45:36 GMT
Salt Lake City itself is actually quite liberal, but if you get into the suburbs or rural areas, it’s definitely very conservative. Park City ticks off all of the things on your list. I love Park City, so beautiful, lots of shops and restaurants and wonderful views. That’s where I’d choose to live if I lived in Utah. I’m just outside, and I absolutely love it!
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Post by craswell on Aug 22, 2020 14:17:49 GMT
Park City is where I dream of moving someday. Great 4 season weather, easy access to a good airport (SLC), gorgeous scenery, historic town, skiing, hiking, access to so many national parks, good VRBO potential.
Another town that comes to mind for you is Saratoga Springs, NY. Four season weather, beautiful town, access to the Adirondacks for hiking, cultural opportunities (Saratoga Performing Arts Center), not far from NYC and other east coast cities. The Albany airport isn't great but it's fine.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 22, 2020 15:02:17 GMT
many people (including my brother) live in vancover wa and work in portland. washington has no income tax.. and oregon has lower retail taxes. the thing about portland is that it gets a lot more rain than seattle area.. the storms come off the ocean up the columbia river. the weather in seattle and puget sound islands has to go around or over the olympic mountains. it is grey up there more ..
luckyjune-- my husband left western, class of 1974 --technically graduated in 1976 after he started working. left seattle because there were almost no software jobs in seattle (pre microsoft.. bill gates is my age..6 yrs younger than dh) I attended western 75/76--my sophmore year--in recreation and park management. I was in a bad space and left every weekend in winter to go teach skiing with my dad at stevens pass I never saw my dorm roommate.. didn't go to classes for a month.. the recreation dept was great but very much out of mainstream of campus. did get my ski instructor certification that year (6 hour on the hill exam).. ended up graduating from University of Oregon.. one of the best recreation programs in the country at the time.
my family lives in everett, snohomish, greenbank(whidbey island), seattle, vancover... all over western wa.. and I grew up skiing, backpacking and climbing all over. also.. active in the Mountaineers.. a wonderful club in western wa.
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Post by Belle on Aug 22, 2020 15:03:42 GMT
Eastern WA is very fire prone also. I just got evacuation alerts for the Wenatchee area a couple of weeks ago. So while Leavenworth, etc. are very pretty, be mindful of the fire risk. If you lived in Everett, WA, we'd be neighbors! If you were on Whidbey Island, I could wave every time I go to my favorite park! that's another thing I thought about recently, I don't want to move to *another* area with horrible wildfires The smoke from the fires can bet pretty terrible too even if the fires are miles and miles away.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 22, 2020 16:23:07 GMT
Charlottesville, Virginia.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 22, 2020 16:43:36 GMT
I love Park City, so beautiful, lots of shops and restaurants and wonderful views. That’s where I’d choose to live if I lived in Utah. I’m just outside, and I absolutely love it! I'm looking at Park City on Zillow they have a new construction home that has the most amazing layout, I'm in love. Are there neighborhoods that are walkable to coffee shops, restaurants etc?
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Post by luckyjune on Aug 22, 2020 18:40:44 GMT
Friday Harbor, Washington. I could see it from my old bedroom. It’s beautiful and has a great PNW or Southwest Coast Climate. That’s how they do our weather. It’s cute, beautiful, climate is both summer and winter but neither are too severe and it’s amazing! Thank you! looking at this town right now, very cute Friday Harbor/San Juan Island are terrific locations. If I were to live in the islands, it would be there or on Lopez (way more remote). One issue to consider is how often you'd need to leave the island. Ferry spots are limited, especially during tourist season. Friends who have a place in Friday Harbor often get their car in line early in the day they need to leave and either walk back or catch a ride with someone back to their place for a couple of hours. Same with a friend who had a place on Orcas. Whidbey is a much better island in terms of ferry service. Catching a boat out of Mukilteo can take time, but not to the point of having to drop off a car ahead of time. Boats from Coupville to Port Townsend do require reservations during tourist season, but we've never had trouble getting a spot. Just something to consider!
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 23, 2020 0:50:11 GMT
Thank you! looking at this town right now, very cute Friday Harbor/San Juan Island are terrific locations. If I were to live in the islands, it would be there or on Lopez (way more remote). One issue to consider is how often you'd need to leave the island. Ferry spots are limited, especially during tourist season. Friends who have a place in Friday Harbor often get their car in line early in the day they need to leave and either walk back or catch a ride with someone back to their place for a couple of hours. Same with a friend who had a place on Orcas. Whidbey is a much better island in terms of ferry service. Catching a boat out of Mukilteo can take time, but not to the point of having to drop off a car ahead of time. Boats from Coupville to Port Townsend do require reservations during tourist season, but we've never had trouble getting a spot. Just something to consider! I live on Vancouver Island and getting on and off the island can be a pain. We live with it but I had to wait 3 ferries aka 6 hours to get home and then it’s 90 min on the ferry and a 30 min car ride. That is my reality. I think having to park your car early to be sure to get off an island would be a deterrent. We walked over and parked our car in Sidney. I love Island living but you might not.
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Post by LisaDV on Aug 23, 2020 1:41:33 GMT
Grand Rapids, MI meets those requirements.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 23, 2020 2:15:01 GMT
From your list it sounds to me like Annapolis, MD where I've lived for the past 27 years marks all of your boxes except one.
Scenic outdoors with hiking and access to water-here we live right beside the Chesapeake Bay-so that's a lot of water. Our town is known as "The Capital of Sailing" and sailing is everywhere from large sailboats to tiny ones like mine. There are all of the other water sports too. There is hiking also for those that prefer it, plus other outdoor recreation. We have a wonderful many acre park right in the city of Annapolis too for recreation called "Quiet Waters".
Access to National Parks-There are 8 National Parks in Maryland including a National seashore on Assateague Island.
A cute and interesting town-One of the many things I love about living here is the small city (more like a town) of Annapolis. The people are friendly and open minded. I would call most of us liberals. As far as the pandemic goes I have seen almost 100% mask compliance. We have many internationals living here too. On my mother's street she had folks from Holland and Germany living on the same small street at one time-for her this was heaven because she's from Germany. Also, Annapolis is one of the oldest towns in the entire country. There is a lot of history here and I find that very interesting-the architecture of the old town.
No hot or humid summers-we do have hot and humid summers, but it's getting better. This year wasn't bad at all-much cooler than previous years.
Cold winters but not brutal-check.
Largest healthcare employer in the area-we do have an excellent hospital right here in Annapolis, but also you've got access to John Hopkins in Baltimore (a 45 minute drive) and many more in Washington DC (a 45 minute drive in the other direction). University of MD. also has a trauma center. if that is what you need.
Annapolis is a tourist destination so it'd be easy to use your property as a VRBO.
Airports-BWI International airport is about 35 minutes away and if you need it Dulles airport in Virginia is about an hour or more away. I use both.
If you love water sports Annapolis would be perfect for you. If you are more into hiking (mountains) you might be better off out west or somewhere else.
Whatever you choose I wish you well and happiness in your choice.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 23, 2020 3:09:10 GMT
I’m just outside, and I absolutely love it! I'm looking at Park City on Zillow they have a new construction home that has the most amazing layout, I'm in love. Are there neighborhoods that are walkable to coffee shops, restaurants etc? Walkable is going to be relative, because there’s snow in winter. And it’s very much a mountain town, so lots of narrow, windy streets. But they have a pretty strong public transportation system because tourism is such a big part of the economy. If you’d like to PM me more info about which neighborhood it is, I can give you more specific info, but new construction is more likely to be outside of PC proper.
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Post by bearmom on Aug 23, 2020 12:29:01 GMT
Many places in Michigan: Grand Rapids (already mentioned) Traverse City (or many other smaller towns along the coast - some would be conservative though) Ann Arbor (expensive though)
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Post by luckyjune on Aug 23, 2020 23:14:33 GMT
Friday Harbor/San Juan Island are terrific locations. If I were to live in the islands, it would be there or on Lopez (way more remote). One issue to consider is how often you'd need to leave the island. Ferry spots are limited, especially during tourist season. Friends who have a place in Friday Harbor often get their car in line early in the day they need to leave and either walk back or catch a ride with someone back to their place for a couple of hours. Same with a friend who had a place on Orcas. Whidbey is a much better island in terms of ferry service. Catching a boat out of Mukilteo can take time, but not to the point of having to drop off a car ahead of time. Boats from Coupville to Port Townsend do require reservations during tourist season, but we've never had trouble getting a spot. Just something to consider! I live on Vancouver Island and getting on and off the island can be a pain. We live with it but I had to wait 3 ferries aka 6 hours to get home and then it’s 90 min on the ferry and a 30 min car ride. That is my reality. I think having to park your car early to be sure to get off an island would be a deterrent. We walked over and parked our car in Sidney. I love Island living but you might not. We drove on the Muk ferry at 9:00 this morning, after waiting in line for 8 minutes. Coming home would have been a longer wait (it always is on a Sunday afternoon, especially in summer) but we drove around to get off the island instead. I like having that option.
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Post by theroadlesstraveledp on Aug 23, 2020 23:21:29 GMT
Cannon Beach is beautiful but yes it’s cold and is also expensive. My cousins love it though, but one of them does drive far for a healthcare job. They usually take the train to the airport because it is far. One of my friends just moved to Albany, Oregon and she likes it there. Her photos of hiking trails, make me want to go up there. Another option is Washougal Washington. Nice small town feel and lots of trails to hike. Also far from the airport, and was a bit cold there. That was my major complaint.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 23, 2020 23:25:35 GMT
luckyjune.. glad to hear the ferry lines are good.. going up to whidbey on friday early morning.
somehow, it is hard to top the mountains and recreation of the pacific northwest. you have year round snow on all the volcanos, you have rugged glaciated peaks to hike.. long haul hikes and short walks in the forest. you have kayaking, sailing and canoeing available almost year round. you go skiing and drive in the snow for 10 minutes. and famously, you can ski, bike and run and canoe in the same day, if you want. you have miles of wilderness ocean beach to hike.
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