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Post by hop2 on Aug 21, 2020 22:46:58 GMT
He does realize that he lives in a rural state and this would negatively impact his constituents? How does this guy get elected? I can’t think of a better example of a senator NOT representing your interests. IOKIYAR
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 21, 2020 22:53:32 GMT
I think that there's some things that might make sense - ending saturday delivery has always seemed like a no brainer to me. And things that make absolutely no sense - 1-2 day a week delivery. I don't see anything wrong with trying to reduce costs of services sensibly. I also don't see anything wrong with paying for essential services. Somehow that balance is always lost where both sides want to scream about the extremes.
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 21, 2020 23:09:39 GMT
In some cities USPS delivers on Sunday, too. I'm in Denver and had an Amazon package delivered last Sunday.
Is USPS delivering on Sunday? Yes. The Postal Service currently delivers Priority Mail Express and certain Amazon packages on Sundays. Due to increased package volume, we are expanding the types of packages that will be delivered on Sundays.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 23:14:55 GMT
You can still get your meds, you just get them on an assigned day. What is the big deal about that? Honestly, your privilege is showing. Maybe some self reflection is in order. There are many folks who still get checks mailed to their houses. So what will happen when folks aren’t making rent because their check didn’t make the cut for the Tu delivery and now they have to wait until Saturday? Mail order drugs is a huge problem already before the slow down and now it is worse. People will literally die if the mail stops unless the same folks turning off the USPS for their own personal gain are going to force companies to stop using mail order pharmacies? I’d defund the military and all their science experiments before I defunded the USPS. They are already held to an incredibly high standard. No other government branch has to be fully funded for the next 75 years. It is ridiculous. How much are you willing to pay for amazon? Many of my amazon packages are dropped off by USPS. How would prime cost if amazon had to implement a full fleet everywhere? Also, UPS and FedEx also hand over to USPS on some routes. Sign it!
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Post by lucyg on Aug 21, 2020 23:45:05 GMT
She’s an attorney? OMG, that is rich. RICH. I’ve NEVER experienced anyone less interested in the world and the people of the world than she. She says she went to law school. I don’t know that she has ever said she actually practiced. She says she practices (or did practice) family law. I’m totally willing to accept that. I also want to point out ... I have lots of lawyers in my family. For the most part, they are pretty black & white thinkers. sabrinae, I know you’re a lawyer and lots of others here are, too. Nuthin’ personal intended. Just my experience with trying to get certain attorneys of my own acquaintance to look a little outside the box. 
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Post by moretimeplease on Aug 22, 2020 0:14:06 GMT
Do people ever get mail that fast, though? I certainly never have. If I needed something important quickly, I would not depend on USPS to do it. I do (did). For years, I always got my prescriptions the very next day after ordering a refill.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 22, 2020 0:16:39 GMT
Well the trash drop doesn’t bring us medication now does it? You are seriously getting stupid. If you know what day the mail is being delivered, you plan ahead. I don’t understand at all what is stupid about knowing my meds are coming on Tuesday. Just because mail comes on a Tuesday doesn’t mean that what you are expecting will come that day. Its not like you can just order something and say “deliver on Tuesday” and it will be here next Tuesday. What if it gets to the PO Monday and they didn’t have time to process it so now it comes the next delivery day, which is several days away? And basically any thing that you order or are expecting to get by mail will arrive several days later. Many people wouldn’t be ok with that, regardless of where they live. I think changing the mindset that the post office needs to run on very limited funds while we spend all kinds of money on billionaire tax cuts and military spending is the first thing that needs to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 0:27:05 GMT
If you know what day the mail is being delivered, you plan ahead. I don’t understand at all what is stupid about knowing my meds are coming on Tuesday. Just because mail comes on a Tuesday doesn’t mean that what you are expecting will come that day. Its not like you can just order something and say “deliver on Tuesday” and it will be here next Tuesday. What if it gets to the PO Monday and they didn’t have time to process it so now it comes the next delivery day, which is several days away? And basically any thing that you order or are expecting to get by mail will arrive several days later. Many people wouldn’t be ok with that, regardless of where they live. I think changing the mindset that the post office needs to run on very limited funds while we spend all kinds of money on billionaire tax cuts and military spending is the first thing that needs to happen. Yeah that.  We get TWO goods out of the USPS deliveries - 1. The deliveries (duh) 2. The employment of rural workers aka WIN/WIN Or we could "cut costs", cut jobs, increase unemployment payments and TANF and other forms of subsidies for the newly unemployed USPS workers AND give that money to the wealthiest so they can go buy another yacht in the Pacific (cuz it's a PITA to move yachts all over the world and it's just easier to keep one in each ocean for ready access!) aka LOSE/LOSE
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 22, 2020 0:27:17 GMT
I think changing the mindset that the post office needs to run on very limited funds while we spend all kinds of money on billionaire tax cuts and military spending is the first thing that needs to happen. BINGO!
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 22, 2020 0:57:02 GMT
She says she went to law school. I don’t know that she has ever said she actually practiced. She says she practices (or did practice) family law. I’m totally willing to accept that. I also want to point out ... I have lots of lawyers in my family. For the most part, they are pretty black & white thinkers. sabrinae, I know you’re a lawyer and lots of others here are, too. Nuthin’ personal intended. Just my experience with trying to get certain attorneys of my own acquaintance to look a little outside the box.  I think it greatly depends on what type of law you practice how black and white you are or how grey your thinking is. I’ve primarily done child protective services cases and criminal cases. The CPS cases can have lots of grey areas depending on how your local agencies work and what resources are available on your community. Criminal law is a lot more black and white. I refuse to touch family law outside of the cps realm. She just doesn’t seem to have any ability to consider anything outside her own narrow world. Of the attorneys I regularly practice with the younger ones are definitely less rigid and more willing to think outside the box, but practice area seems to greatly impact that trait.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 22, 2020 1:05:33 GMT
She says she practices (or did practice) family law. I’m totally willing to accept that. I also want to point out ... I have lots of lawyers in my family. For the most part, they are pretty black & white thinkers. sabrinae , I know you’re a lawyer and lots of others here are, too. Nuthin’ personal intended. Just my experience with trying to get certain attorneys of my own acquaintance to look a little outside the box.  I think it greatly depends on what type of law you practice how black and white you are or how grey your thinking is. I’ve primarily done child protective services cases and criminal cases. The CPS cases can have lots of grey areas depending on how your local agencies work and what resources are available on your community. Criminal law is a lot more black and white. I refuse to touch family law outside of the cps realm. She just doesn’t seem to have any ability to consider anything outside her own narrow world. Of the attorneys I regularly practice with the younger ones are definitely less rigid and more willing to think outside the box, but practice area seems to greatly impact that trait. I will concede that the particular relative I’m speaking of here had a long career as a deputy DA (although a liberal one).
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 22, 2020 1:16:32 GMT
Antibiotics aren't a mail order thing, the Rx should be sent to your local pharmacy. Ok, I’m not in the US so I didn’t know that wasn't possible. I would come up with another example, but see no point. Concrete thinkers gonna concrete think. Examples...insulin/diabetic meds, blood pressure meds...things that are longer term, but keep people alive. Temporary Rx, such as antibiotics would likely be filled through a local pharmacy. However, there are some who take long term antibiotics that can get them via mail (my FIL was on aggressive antibiotics for a rare disease for over 3 years)
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 22, 2020 1:40:04 GMT
And in vitro fertility medications can be sent via USPS. A plan that was provided a month in advance (cheaper alternative than local) and if delayed for a week or two, then that cycle is null and void. Thousands of dollars lost.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 22, 2020 2:08:47 GMT
She says she practices (or did practice) family law. I’m totally willing to accept that. I also want to point out ... I have lots of lawyers in my family. For the most part, they are pretty black & white thinkers. sabrinae, I know you’re a lawyer and lots of others here are, too. Nuthin’ personal intended. Just my experience with trying to get certain attorneys of my own acquaintance to look a little outside the box.  I think it greatly depends on what type of law you practice how black and white you are or how grey your thinking is. I’ve primarily done child protective services cases and criminal cases. The CPS cases can have lots of grey areas depending on how your local agencies work and what resources are available on your community. Criminal law is a lot more black and white. I refuse to touch family law outside of the cps realm. She just doesn’t seem to have any ability to consider anything outside her own narrow world. Of the attorneys I regularly practice with the younger ones are definitely less rigid and more willing to think outside the box, but practice area seems to greatly impact that trait. Dude, nooooooo! We criminal defense people would have gray as our uniform  . Anyhow, I guess I don’t have to care about this. After all, I am a coastal elite, and sometimes, I order things from Amazon with two-day shipping and they show up the same day! I’ll let people who this affects worry about it. I got mine. Am I doing this right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 3:24:00 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 22, 2020 3:28:27 GMT
The issue is the way the opinions are posited. Most rural people I have met really didn't choose to live rural. They were born there and never wanted or had the opportunity to leave. The suggestion of less frequent mail delivery did not have to be accompanied with the snarky comment about choosing to live rural. I choose to live urban, but I am still distressed by the lack of hospitals in rural areas even though I am not affected. As a country our fortunes rise and fall together. I don’t see a problem with this. You choose to live rural, you give up certain conveniences. I’d be fine with reducing everyone’s mail services to less than every day. Hey guys. I don't think this particular comment of myshelly was out of line. Maybe there are some past aggressions that enter into your current responses, but you are all being awfully hard on her for giving her opinion on this. I am quoting her original quote here. She's not saying deliver once a month or twice a week. Just perhaps less than every day. There is nothing wrong with that opinion that you need to jump down her throat. ETA: There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with it either, but some of you are pretty harsh when you disagree.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 22, 2020 3:36:38 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. I get royalty checks in the mail. Now admittedly, it’s only twice a year and they are teeny-tiny. But I also get refunds from overpayments to businesses/doctors/dentists, my kids get birthday gifts (card w/ check) from older people in the family, my mom gets checks from a trust, my kids have a few shares of Disney stock and get whatever those shareholder payments are called (my brain has deserted me), etc. etc. etc. So maybe not from most regular jobs, retirement checks, tax refunds, etc., but money does come in the mail from time to time. It’s nice to be able to actually rely on the U.S. mail when needed. ETA my local AAA just sent me a check for $16 and change for some kind of rebate because everyone is staying home more and not commuting daily. They did the same thing in the spring but credited the account that time. For some reason, this time they sent everyone a check. (The accompanying letter said so.) 🤷♀️ Money does show up in the mail from time to time.
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 22, 2020 3:36:47 GMT
I think the people who depend on getting their meds via mail would disagree with you. You can still get your meds, you just get them on an assigned day. What is the big deal about that? People get controlled meds through the mail. There are rules and insurance regulations to how often and when exactly you can get those meds. They will not change the rules just because the post office decides it’s not going to run everyday. Apparently I could order my sons adderall in 3 month increments and have it mailed to me (says our dr, haven’t checked that out). I opted not to because our mail is notoriously crappy as it is. I do not trust that that shipment won’t get lost in the mail. If it gets lost in the mail, his dr absolutely will not write another script for it before the end of those three months. Also because every so often (like now) the government decides it’s going to start fucking around with the mail system. I don’t want to be panicking over whether or not my kid will be able to have his medicine based on the mail. So, I drive 15 minutes to my preferred pharmacy and pick it up there. It is very lovely that I have that option and that I am able to do that. Not everyone can do that. So they depend on the mail.
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Post by AmandaA on Aug 22, 2020 3:38:49 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. 🙋🏻♀️ Uhm we do. All of our farm income comes in the form of a check delivered the good old USPS. We deal with half a dozen different processors and not a single one of them does any sort of electronic payment. And it should come as no surprise that only a handful of our bills can be paid online. So once again we rely on USPS. I suppose it goes without saying that we are rural and we have apparently chosen to give up certain conveniences for this profession. Should I mention that our internet sucks also or is that just part of our deal too? So I don’t think I saw this mentioned skimming the thread but how exactly does paying bills and deadlines work in this proposed method. See above... very few of our bills can be paid online (using the crap internet we have). So if you usually get a statement with a due date in 1-2 weeks what happens to those terms when you have to account for limited delivery to get it to me and limited delivery to send it back. And before you tell me to just go to the post office. Our post office is actually open less than a standard 8 hour business day and closes for 90 minutes during the open hours. Saturday you get a whole 90 minutes in the morning. In our area, we have fantastic USPS service. Well at least we did before the latest shenanigans.
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 22, 2020 4:45:17 GMT
Our post office is actually open less than a standard 8 hour business day and closes for 90 minutes during the open hours. Saturday you get a whole 90 minutes in the morning. In our area, we have fantastic USPS service. Well at least we did before the latest shenanigans. Yep, the hours are hard for our post office too. Mon-Fri 8am-12:30pm, 1:30pm-3:30pm. That's it! I literally have to take time off work to pick up a package that won't fit in my PO Box if a relative can't grab it for me. That's what you get when they just refuse to hire any extra help. It sucks.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 22, 2020 6:10:38 GMT
I don’t see a problem with this. You choose to live rural, you give up certain conveniences. I’d be fine with reducing everyone’s mail services to less than every day. Hi. I live in a rural area. I already don’t get mail delivered to my house. Your bright idea isn’t so bright.
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Post by maryannscraps on Aug 22, 2020 11:05:49 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. I get paper checks. I work as a consultant, and every one of my customers cuts me a check from accounts payable. ETA: I'm not rural, and about half the companies I work for are in tech.
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 22, 2020 12:15:00 GMT
I think it greatly depends on what type of law you practice how black and white you are or how grey your thinking is. I’ve primarily done child protective services cases and criminal cases. The CPS cases can have lots of grey areas depending on how your local agencies work and what resources are available on your community. Criminal law is a lot more black and white. I refuse to touch family law outside of the cps realm. She just doesn’t seem to have any ability to consider anything outside her own narrow world. Of the attorneys I regularly practice with the younger ones are definitely less rigid and more willing to think outside the box, but practice area seems to greatly impact that trait. Dude, nooooooo! We criminal defense people would have gray as our uniform  . Anyhow, I guess I don’t have to care about this. After all, I am a coastal elite, and sometimes, I order things from Amazon with two-day shipping and they show up the same day! I’ll let people who this affects worry about it. I got mine. Am I doing this right? I would agree with you on criminal defense, I was mostly thinking prosecution side. Although the older defense guys, especially the former prosecutors can be pretty black and white. But, on the other subject — I want my mail! I live in rural Appalachia; if you slow down/cut back mail service it’s going to cause major problems for a lot of people. Mail delivery is the only way to get many things unless your willing to drive 2 hours or more to shop.
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Post by elaine on Aug 22, 2020 12:26:14 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. I get paper checks. I work as a consultant, and every one of my customers cuts me a check from accounts payable. ETA: I'm not rural, and about half the companies I work for are in tech. Yes! I was going to say that I have 3 friends in my cul de sac who all run their own businesses and receive checks from their customers/clients. I can’t count the number of times I have heard in the past year “I’m waiting on a check” or “I finally received a check” while checking the mail (we share a bank of locked boxes at the entrance of the cul de sac). While many consumer transactions - such as paying utility bills - have switched to online payments (although many, like my mom, refuse to pay online and at 85 she is NOT changing), much of the world of business hasn’t made that switch. What makes me most frustrated when we have discussions about the post office is the number of people who only look at the situation from their own personal lens and refuse to consider that their individual circumstances don’t apply to everyone. They seem obstinate about insisting that everyone must have their own personal experiences and do it their way, to a degree that I don’t usually see when we discuss other issues. Most people are able to consider that other people have different needs and experiences, but when it comes to discussing the US Postal Service that part of the brain shuts down.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 22, 2020 13:37:41 GMT
I’m curious what would happen if they said “you live in a city. There are just too many people so we can only deliver your mail once or twice a week. Sorry.”
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Post by michellegb on Aug 22, 2020 13:48:26 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. This is incredibly short-sighted. I work for a law firm. I mail checks for certificate fees, payment for services, retainer refunds, settlement payments all.the.time. I get my dividend checks from investments in the mail, as well as rebate checks for certain energy efficient upgrades I make to my home. I personally send checks as gifts to nieces and nephews who live far away because I won't send cash and gift cards are easy to feel in an envelope (and makes them vulnerable to theft). Is it really so hard to imagine that other lives are different? I'm 56 and I know that people older than me (and including my incredibly old-fashioned 46 year old sister) who still pay bills with checks in the mail and expect to receive checks in the mail for things. They still get their tax refunds in checks sent to them. People still use checks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 13:49:10 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. CNN... link“Fact check: Fox News hosts, other conservatives wrong that Social Security doesn't mail any checks”From the article... ”Facts First: The Social Security Administration never completely stopped mailing out paper checks. While 99.1% of Social Security recipients now receive their money via direct deposit, that remaining 0.9% equals 549,818 people receiving checks, according to official data published by the Social Security Administration for this month. "Nearly 850,000" paper checks go out from the Social Security Administration every month if you include the Supplemental Security Income program, said Social Security Administration spokesman Mark Hinkle. (Supplemental Security Income provides money to elderly, blind or disabled people with low incomes and few resources.) Hinkle said that, if you consider both Social Security and Supplemental Security Income, the breakdown is 98.8% direct deposit, 1.2% checks.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 22, 2020 15:16:33 GMT
Our post office is actually open less than a standard 8 hour business day and closes for 90 minutes during the open hours. Saturday you get a whole 90 minutes in the morning. In our area, we have fantastic USPS service. Well at least we did before the latest shenanigans. Yep, the hours are hard for our post office too. Mon-Fri 8am-12:30pm, 1:30pm-3:30pm. That's it! I literally have to take time off work to pick up a package that won't fit in my PO Box if a relative can't grab it for me. That's what you get when they just refuse to hire any extra help. It sucks. At my former PO branch, access to mailboxes is 7am-5-pm. The window for in person service is 10am-5pm.
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Post by used2scrap on Aug 22, 2020 15:43:48 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. My son gets a paper check monthly (during the school year) for his dependent education benefits from the VA. He uses that money to pay rent and buy food.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 15:51:19 GMT
Who still gets paper checks in the mail? SSDI and the VA haven't issued paper checks since 2013. If someone doesn't have a bank account they get a pre loaded debit card. I would imagine it works the same way with welfare recipients. I haven't had a paper check from an employer in over 25 years. Even when I did get paper checks, they were never mailed, my manager handed them out to each employee. CNN... link“Fact check: Fox News hosts, other conservatives wrong that Social Security doesn't mail any checks”From the article... ”Facts First: The Social Security Administration never completely stopped mailing out paper checks. While 99.1% of Social Security recipients now receive their money via direct deposit, that remaining 0.9% equals 549,818 people receiving checks, according to official data published by the Social Security Administration for this month. "Nearly 850,000" paper checks go out from the Social Security Administration every month if you include the Supplemental Security Income program, said Social Security Administration spokesman Mark Hinkle. (Supplemental Security Income provides money to elderly, blind or disabled people with low incomes and few resources.) Hinkle said that, if you consider both Social Security and Supplemental Security Income, the breakdown is 98.8% direct deposit, 1.2% checks.” I didn't use Fox news as a source. www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10073.pdf While SSA may work with some people on a case by case basis, they don't want to issue paper checks. Direct deposit is much more secure and insures that people actually get their money unless there is some error by the bank. It saves taxpayers money and resources.
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