lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 31, 2020 2:24:55 GMT
What don’t you understand? Courts striking down unconstitutional orders by Trump and congressional Dems resisting his extreme agenda and illegal actions ARE manifestly independent of the executive branch. If they were not acting independently and merely rubber-stamping Trump, then they wouldn't be doing those things. The CURRENT court system is striking down his illegal orders. If he wins, he will get another Kavanaugh to replace RBG, and probably one more. He will continue to pack the lower courts with non-qualified political hacks who are more than willing to do his bidding. Honestly, the potential court appointments are why I fear he might win—too many conservatives will continue to hold their noses solely because they have a good chance at getting a far-right court for at least the next 20 years, or probably longer because they are appointing some very young conservative judges. I really dread the world my three daughters will be stuck with if this happens. 😡 Yes, thank you. Believe it or not, I do know the repercussions to the SC and the federal courts should Trump get another term.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 31, 2020 2:28:23 GMT
Trump cannot get rid of payroll taxes permanently. Only Congress can via legislation. The only authority Trump has with payroll tax is to defer or postpone collection of the tax for a specified period. Those deferred taxes will come due no matter what and Trump has no legal authority to stop that. Please remember that the taxing power is in the legislative branch. While I hear what you say, and logically I understand it. Thinking that way can’t be counted on anymore. I think people should be somewhat worried. Trump has done a lot of things that a president supposedly can not do. And there’s several parts of the constitution that he ignores on a daily basis. Emoluments clause anyone? So let’s not get all Trump can’t do that. While I don’t think he is automatically ‘king’ should the electoral college go in his favor in November, I no longer have complete confidence in our supposed system of checks & balances. That system is currently broken. The Senate is corrupted with greedy senators on the take. The president is rogue and he will do whatever he feels like doing until someone in one of check /balance groups gets their heads out of the sand & does what they are supposed to. People need to vote. Everyone should vote. Vote like your life depends on it because I’m no longer so positive that it doesn’t. This is how I feel too. There are so many things that he has done to trample all over the Constitution already, and those who could have *and should have* stopped him dead in his tracks haven’t. The longer he is in there, the more emboldened he has become, all you have to do is look at some of the outrageous things he’s said just last week! Things that if Obama had only even silently imagined, the republican outcry would have been insane. And even if Biden is elected but the Senate stays republican, you can count on old Moscow Mitch to continue to hold all legislation hostage just as he’s done for the last 3.5 years. I am so freaking sick to death of the republicans I know all saying that Congress is getting nothing done. No. JUST FREAKING NO. The House has been passing stuff left, right and sideways and the Senate is sitting on ALL of it, thanks to Mitch. So IMO every elected official who has just stood by and watched this train wreck unfold without doing a damn thing in their power to stop it has to GO.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 31, 2020 2:29:41 GMT
What don’t you understand? Courts striking down unconstitutional orders by Trump and congressional Dems resisting his extreme agenda and illegal actions ARE manifestly independent of the executive branch. If they were not acting independently and merely rubber-stamping Trump, then they wouldn't be doing those things. The CURRENT court system is striking down his illegal orders. If he wins, he will get another Kavanaugh to replace RBG, and probably one more. He will continue to pack the lower courts with non-qualified political hacks who are more than willing to do his bidding. Honestly, the potential court appointments are why I fear he might win—too many conservatives will continue to hold their noses solely because they have a good chance at getting a far-right court for at least the next 20 years, or probably longer because they are appointing some very young conservative judges. I really dread the world my three daughters will be stuck with if this happens. 😡 Same here. I’m voting solid blue purely for my daughter.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Aug 31, 2020 2:33:06 GMT
The CURRENT court system is striking down his illegal orders. If he wins, he will get another Kavanaugh to replace RBG, and probably one more. He will continue to pack the lower courts with non-qualified political hacks who are more than willing to do his bidding. Honestly, the potential court appointments are why I fear he might win—too many conservatives will continue to hold their noses solely because they have a good chance at getting a far-right court for at least the next 20 years, or probably longer because they are appointing some very young conservative judges. I really dread the world my three daughters will be stuck with if this happens. 😡 Yes, thank you. Believe it or not, I do know the repercussions to the SC and the federal courts should Trump get another term. Then quit suggesting that we will still have three independent branches if he is re-elected.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 31, 2020 2:52:49 GMT
Yes, thank you. Believe it or not, I do know the repercussions to the SC and the federal courts should Trump get another term. Then quit suggesting that we will still have three independent branches if he is re-elected. Seriously?! I think some of you are experiencing difficulties in reading. The questions I answered were: You really view the current judicial branch of the government as acting independently from the current executive branch? You really view the current Senators as acting independently from the current executive branch?
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scrapngranny
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Post by scrapngranny on Aug 31, 2020 3:22:45 GMT
A very good reason to vote Trump out.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 31, 2020 3:30:11 GMT
And even if Biden is elected but the Senate stays republican, you can count on old Moscow Mitch to continue to hold all legislation hostage just as he’s done for the last 3.5 years. I am so freaking sick to death of the republicans I know all saying that Congress is getting nothing done. No. JUST FREAKING NO. The House has been passing stuff left, right and sideways and the Senate is sitting on ALL of it, thanks to Mitch. So IMO every elected official who has just stood by and watched this train wreck unfold without doing a damn thing in their power to stop it has to GO. Must hold the HOUSE! Must win the SENATE. Cannot be said any more plainly!
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Post by hop2 on Aug 31, 2020 11:52:58 GMT
The CURRENT Senate does NOT act independently of the CURRENT White House administration & Trump. No. They are acting in conjunction with them to rubber stamp the crap Trump does and to suppress everything the House tries to do.
Mitch does everything Trump says to do unless Moscow tells him differently. As long as Mitch can keep bills from the floor and obstruct votes in the senate then no, they are not independent.
The Judiciary may still be independent for now. But the Senate is complicit not independent
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 31, 2020 12:00:12 GMT
The key here is IF and there is no way they will completely abolish payroll taxes. It is articles like that that keep the public in uproar. Trumps words keep people in an uproar, not reporting on them. He very clearly said he planned on abolishing payroll taxes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 31, 2020 14:13:20 GMT
Trumps words keep people in an uproar, not reporting on them. He very clearly said he planned on abolishing payroll taxes. Permanently. Spoken from Bedminster NJ in front of his quarter million dollar paying golf club members!
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 31, 2020 14:15:37 GMT
The CURRENT Senate does NOT act independently of the CURRENT White House administration & Trump. No. They are acting in conjunction with them to rubber stamp the crap Trump does and to suppress everything the House tries to do. Mitch does everything Trump says to do unless Moscow tells him differently. As long as Mitch can keep bills from the floor and obstruct votes in the senate then no, they are not independent. The Judiciary may still be independent for now. But the Senate is complicit not independent The whole Senate? That would include Democratic senators who have consistently fought to thwart some of Trump’s most egregious actions despite a solid GOP opposition and voted to remove him from office. These are people like Ron Wyden, Amy Klobuchar, Chris Coons, Patty Murray, Elizabeth Warren, Dick Durbin, Kamala Harris and many others. To think that they should be judged the same as those who blindly support Trump as one mass of Trump bootlickers who did not act independently is patently unfair. Not only is it unfair, it is a baseless charge.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Aug 31, 2020 14:22:36 GMT
Then quit suggesting that we will still have three independent branches if he is re-elected. Seriously?! I think some of you are experiencing difficulties in reading. The questions I answered were: You really view the current judicial branch of the government as acting independently from the current executive branch? You really view the current Senators as acting independently from the current executive branch? You DID NOT answer these questions.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 31, 2020 14:36:20 GMT
Seriously?! I think some of you are experiencing difficulties in reading. The questions I answered were: You really view the current judicial branch of the government as acting independently from the current executive branch? You really view the current Senators as acting independently from the current executive branch? You DID NOT answer these questions. Yes, I did. Twice. Questions: You really view the current judicial branch of the government as acting independently from the current executive branch? You really view the current Senators as acting independently from the current executive branch? Answers: It is a fact that there are courts that continue to strike down unconstitutional orders by Trump. I have confidence in Democratic senators and representatives to continue resisting Trump’s extreme agenda and illegal acts. Courts striking down unconstitutional orders by Trump and congressional Dems resisting his extreme agenda and illegal actions ARE manifestly independent of the executive branch. If they were not acting independently and merely rubber-stamping Trump, then they wouldn't be doing those things. What do you not comprehend from the above?
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Aug 31, 2020 15:51:06 GMT
You DID NOT answer these questions. Yes, I did. Twice. Questions: You really view the current judicial branch of the government as acting independently from the current executive branch? You really view the current Senators as acting independently from the current executive branch? Answers: It is a fact that there are courts that continue to strike down unconstitutional orders by Trump. I have confidence in Democratic senators and representatives to continue resisting Trump’s extreme agenda and illegal acts. Courts striking down unconstitutional orders by Trump and congressional Dems resisting his extreme agenda and illegal actions ARE manifestly independent of the executive branch. If they were not acting independently and merely rubber-stamping Trump, then they wouldn't be doing those things. What do you not comprehend from the above? So in your eyes, all the things Bill Barr has done is working independently? The checks and balances are gone.
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maryannscraps
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Post by maryannscraps on Aug 31, 2020 15:51:15 GMT
The key here is IF and there is no way they will completely abolish payroll taxes. It is articles like that that keep the public in uproar. Why not? Congress would have to vote change the current law and eliminate it; it would have to pass both the House and the Senate before it could be signed into law by Trump. It most certainly will not get through the House. Even the Senate would probably not be willing to eliminate SS and Medicare. Trump is the only one talking about it, and he has no authority to abolish it. My husband owns a business, and there is no way on Earth that he's going to stop withholding the payroll tax (or pay his 7.5% share of it). I haven't heard of any businesses that are willing to do that and give their employees a huge unexpected tax bill next year. Just not happening.
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maryannscraps
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Post by maryannscraps on Aug 31, 2020 15:52:25 GMT
Yes, I did. Twice. Questions: You really view the current judicial branch of the government as acting independently from the current executive branch? You really view the current Senators as acting independently from the current executive branch? Answers: It is a fact that there are courts that continue to strike down unconstitutional orders by Trump. I have confidence in Democratic senators and representatives to continue resisting Trump’s extreme agenda and illegal acts. Courts striking down unconstitutional orders by Trump and congressional Dems resisting his extreme agenda and illegal actions ARE manifestly independent of the executive branch. If they were not acting independently and merely rubber-stamping Trump, then they wouldn't be doing those things. What do you not comprehend from the above? So in your eyes, all the things Bill Barr has done is working independently? The checks and balances are gone. Barr is not part of the Judicial Branch. He's part of the Executive Branch.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 31, 2020 15:54:18 GMT
Yes, I did. Twice. Questions: You really view the current judicial branch of the government as acting independently from the current executive branch? You really view the current Senators as acting independently from the current executive branch? Answers: It is a fact that there are courts that continue to strike down unconstitutional orders by Trump. I have confidence in Democratic senators and representatives to continue resisting Trump’s extreme agenda and illegal acts. Courts striking down unconstitutional orders by Trump and congressional Dems resisting his extreme agenda and illegal actions ARE manifestly independent of the executive branch. If they were not acting independently and merely rubber-stamping Trump, then they wouldn't be doing those things. What do you not comprehend from the above? So in your eyes, all the things Bill Barr has done is working independently? The checks and balances are gone. Bill Barr is in the Department of Justice. The DOJ is part of the executive branch, not the judicial branch.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2020 17:44:39 GMT
He’s specifically talking about eliminating SS payroll and funding with a general fund in which is a black hole. The actuary specifically responded to what he said he was going to do and stated that it would be out of $$ by 2023 with no means for funding it. How is that too hard to understand? See lizacreates post; she says it well. Given that this administration is hell bent on destroying every norm there is, every protection we have, I’m not counting on it. They are already shutting out Congress, specifically excluding Democrats from meetings/briefings. He’s (and the rest of his administration) ruling by Executive order, ignoring subpoenas when they violate the rules and jaws, prefer to deal with his policies by going to court VW allowing congress to do their job. Then we have fuckface McConnell suppressing everything except fast tracking any conservative to becoming judges. So nope, I’m not in the least bit confident that he will he stopped by Congress . So far, they’ve been ineffective because of republicans and McConnell to do what is right by the people who have elected them. So here’s an example from today’s news...
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scorpeao
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Post by scorpeao on Aug 31, 2020 19:17:35 GMT
The key here is IF and there is no way they will completely abolish payroll taxes. It is articles like that that keep the public in uproar. And what IF he gets elected and he makes true on his promises. Sorry, but that's too big of a gamble.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 31, 2020 21:05:35 GMT
SSA is another agency on my list of agencies that should not be politically hampered or tampered with. it's always those that don't depend on it that treat it with such disregard.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Aug 31, 2020 22:09:11 GMT
So in your eyes, all the things Bill Barr has done is working independently? The checks and balances are gone. Bill Barr is in the Department of Justice. The DOJ is part of the executive branch, not the judicial branch. Right. My example with Barr was the Michael Flynn case. The judicial branch can’t do their job when he hinders it. However, I just got on line since earlier today and I see the courts denied Barr’s dismissal. Maybe there is hope but I’m still very skeptical.
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