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Post by scrappintoee on Jul 2, 2014 8:39:20 GMT
I usually don't post really personal or sad things.....but I am just overwhelmed!!!! I would like to know how my fellow Christian peeps deal with alllllllllllllllll the sadness and SUFFERING out there! I study God's word, I pray for these people, I want to help, but it's just not possible!!!! I like to listen to several pastors on-line......their messages inspire me, make me want to deepen my relationship with God, etc...I am SO thankful for what I have, and I have been helped SO with MY struggles from faith, prayer, and the love of my family and friends........but here is what bothers me-----I never hear any messages about how to deal with the sadness for OTHER people!!!!!!!!! Let me tell you what hurts my heart the MOST----elderly people in nursing homes and assisted living centers that don't get the care they NEED and DESERVE.....I've volunteered at nursing homes--yearsss ago, I thought "well, instead of just praying and sitting around being SAD for these people---go and DO something for them...and I did....but still, it was SO sad!) ---I tried my BEST to give them the care they deserved/ needed, I LOVE these people----but there is SO much under-staffing and poor care that it just "kills" me .......I took my sweet doggies to visit, volunteered as an Ombudsman (advocate for Resident's Rights, helped to TRY to resolve problems, etc!).......doesn't matter, because it still saddens me how horrible it is for some of them I just watched a SAD, SAD video from someone on facebook----her father is 93, at the V.A., and being given poor care. The lady that posted the video is a nurse I used to work with ----she said her Dad wasn't given food or FLUIDS for more than 24 hours, AND, he was supposed to have a procedure which never took place Hubbs and I also watched a SAD documentary about this topic.... The more I see how horrrrible it is for some of these people, it makes me TERRIFIED to grow old....anyone else feel this way? And, as much as I LOVE my well-meaning Christian family and friends; to be honest, I am TIRED of hearing the same thing overrr and overrr again "they will get their reward in Heaven!"....Yes, I agree, but WHY do they have to suffer for soooo many years while they're here? My sweet sister always reminds me that it's not for me to KNOW these things.....and I try to always remember that..."Give it to God".....but that seems so simple.......I don't see ANY answers, either! And don't get me started on the horrible suffering of Alzheimer's patients....... IF you read all of this---I'm sorry if I made you sad......and......thank you! My friend's facebook post just about her sweet 93-year-old Dad just put me over the top with sadness! I'd like to add ONE positive note---- I am SO thankful that my Dad is 83, lives on his own, ( I got him the alarm system for if he falls or needs another type of assistance!) .....and is healthy!!!!!!!!
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Post by pb on Jul 2, 2014 8:45:14 GMT
I do not know what to tell you about God and suffering. I just want to let you know that you have been heard. You words have touched me and I am sending positive thoughts your way. (((Hugs)))
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Post by scrappintoee on Jul 2, 2014 9:01:15 GMT
Thank you, pb!!!! ((( hugs))) back to you!!! I wanted to add that what inspired me to volunteer as a Nursing Home Resident advocate was Proverbs 1:8 ( my mouse is being weird and won't let me cut and patste), but it's about speaking up for those who cannot speak for themselves ......I've also volunteered at a place that feeds the hungry, and I currently volunteer with children at a shelter, (ages infant to teen) who are awaiting placement in a foster or adoptive home. None of that matters......I just cannot handle the sadness.....I am just overwhelmed with all the SUFFERING out there!!!! I have been to counseling before; and maybe it's time to find a good Christian counselor........it's just too much!
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Post by grinningcat on Jul 2, 2014 12:40:54 GMT
I'm not Christian, so my opinion is probably not valid, but was there a trigger to all this sadness you're feeling? Have you always felt this way? Did your work with the elderly make a difference and make you feel proud or were you always so sad? I guess what I am trying to say is that, yes there is a lot of sadness in the world but you can't let it overwhelm you. Making a difference should make you happy. Try to make the corner of the world you live in a little better. Remember that other people in the world are doing the same thing in their little corner of the world.
One of the benefits of working in hard news is that I developed a shell (where I basically step back and remove myself even if I am right in the middle of the chaos) that allowed me to take in the sadness of the stories we covered but to not get overwhelmed by them.
My first suggestion is find out what the trigger to this sadness is. It can't be the suffering of others, because that's always been there. But something must have triggered this over the top response. A counselor would probably help. No idea about how a Christian counselor would be better than one that doesn't use religion, but you have to find one that works for you. That's all that matters.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 2, 2014 12:57:24 GMT
The bible is filled with passages about suffering. The world is filled with suffering. But even in the most tragic events, some good comes out of it. Just by sharing what you saw, will encourage others to volunteer, or check up on the elderly.
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Post by ILoveToScrapPea on Jul 2, 2014 13:05:08 GMT
I just want to commend you for volunteering!! That's wonderful.. I have no answers about the suffering in the world. But I believe one day we will & suffering will be gone as well. That's my hope..
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Post by rumplesnat on Jul 2, 2014 13:19:16 GMT
I don't have an answer for you, but I want you to know you are not alone. I was a youth ministry leader for over 6 years and dealt with many, many, many sad and inexplicable circumstances and situations that just ripped my heart out.
Many around me would respond with scripture quotes and the old familiar phrases that are meant to comfort, but only frustrated and agitated me even more.
I have since left the church, greatly because of not being comforted, feeling reassured or finding solace in this "wisdom" or scripture.
Again, not the answer you're looking for and I'm sure I'm going to get slammed for saying this. I'm at a crossroads right now, but have actually felt more comfort and peace in letting go of believing that there is a God who is capable of dealing with pain and suffering, yet seemingly is choosing not to intervene, and starting to accept that maybe things just are what they are, doing what I can to help, no matter how small or insignificant my efforts may seem.
You're not alone.
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Post by Fairlyoddparent on Jul 2, 2014 13:44:13 GMT
I understand how it can be overwhelming. This world can be a very sad, hurtful place. It is also filled with good things too and that is what I am choosing to focus on. When I become overwhelmed with the sadness and suffering I remember this verse: "In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." John 16:33 and also, 1 John 4:4 "greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world."
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Post by Goldynn on Jul 2, 2014 13:59:32 GMT
I understand how you feel. The uncertainty of our futures as we age can be stressful. It's awful to imagine eventually being solely dependent on the care and kindness of others around us.
I have a friend who had these kind of frustrations and decided that any positive acts, even very small ones, would help her balance her outlook about the world. So every day she'd look for 3 things she could do to help others: help make up someone's change needed at the store, take fruit or cookies to a neighbor, smile and wave at the people on the sidewalk, etc
It may sound trite to do this, but at the end of each day she could actually measure somewhat her positive contribution to a world that needs more kindness. There will always be suffering, our part is try not to ever cause it, and perhaps counteract it if possible.
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Post by creativegirl on Jul 2, 2014 14:03:54 GMT
I was really struggling with this a few years ago. The trigger for me was a family we knew from church that seemed to just get pummeled with trial after trial- I couldn't understand why God would give them such a difficult life, which started me thinking about why so many painful things happen to us all. Around that time, I (quite providentially) stumbled across the book "Trusting God" by Jerry Bridges. It really helped guide me through scripture on this issue and resolve a lot of what I was struggling with.
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Post by sweetprincess.kim on Jul 2, 2014 14:17:54 GMT
The world is both great and terrible and it's people who make it that way. It sounds like you really have a heart for the elderly. You are making a difference in the lives of those who you volunteer with and you can encourage others to volunteer, and the circle continues to grow. Reading your OP, it sounds like this sadness has overtaken your life, and you should talk with someone about some coping skills for that. Talking to people about how sad it is working with the elderly is not going to bring a lot of people to your cause. There are so many positives to focus on which will encourage more people to get involved. But you will never help everyone. There will always be someone being abused, someone hungry, someone in pain. You do make a difference. God has made us His hands and feet in this world, just continue to do what you are doing, but please get help with your sadness.
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Post by justkallie on Jul 2, 2014 14:19:54 GMT
Catholics have the serentiy prayer. God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.
It sounds like you are caught up in the enormity of suffering. It is not your burden to carry the load of the world's suffering, and I am fairly certain that no religion asks that you do.
Would I be out of line asking if this is a fairly recent development in your life - this sadness, this sense of being overwhelmed? Something as small as a Vitamin D deficiency can cause these feelings....
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Post by purplebee on Jul 2, 2014 14:23:07 GMT
Scrappintoee, I try very hard to be positive, and look for the positives in my life. However, I think it is our human nature to give in to the negative, and wonder why a loving God allows the suffering we see and experience here on earth. Do the best I can, make a conscious effort to help others, be kind and pray are the things that I try to focus on. You are not alone!
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Post by katieanna on Jul 2, 2014 14:43:58 GMT
I understand where you're coming from; lately, I've found myself feeling the same way. For me, John 16:33 says it all as another pea mentioned above. I remember a time in my life, not long after I became a Christian, when it seemed that everywhere I turned there was heartbreak, disappointment, pain and despair. I thought I'd never make it through. Somehow, I did - and I know that I made it, not on my own, but with His help which was, at times, manifested in the kindness of others and at other times, through the peace He brought to me when there was no peace to be found. It sounds, though, that you are doing your part. You are doing what you can and what you are able; for the rest, just give it to the Lord. May He bring you the peace you need.
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Post by scrap4nick on Jul 2, 2014 15:17:00 GMT
As someone who is in seminary, preparing for ministry, I can tell you that many pastors and ministers and other people who work in and around the church feel the same way, and in many ways it is what drives us to minister. And so we all go to seminary, and one of the first things we learn is what our own capabilities are, and our own limitations. We call it self-care. We learn, in order to avoid burn-out, what area we each desire to work in, and what areas we simply can't work in. I'll give an example: my mother passed away six years ago from cancer. Hospice care, while it was an amazingly wonderful thing that helped our family so much, but it overwhelms me and I cannot function in a hospice environment. Many other wonderful people do amazing things in hospice environment, but that is not me. And that is ok. That is my personal limitation in ministry.
I tell you this first off, to commend you for volunteering and for caring and simply for being aware. So many people go through this life completely unaware and blind to the suffering. You see it, and you feel compassion. Perhaps God gave you that compassion because God weeps with us over the suffering of humanity, and I believe God calls us to be partners with God, to help alleviate where we can.
That being said, I am also reminded of Mother Teresa, who said something to the effect that you cannot heal everyone on this earth, and you cannot solve every problem on this earth, but you can help the person who is in front of you. And that, my friend, makes the biggest difference of all.
Can I encourage you in two ways? - First, if you are looking for ways to volunteer, find something that does not make you feel so drained. There are so many opportunities where hope abounds (not saying that assisted living isn't filled with hope - it simply sounds like for you, you are struggling, and that is ok!) and where you leave feeling like you made a difference. Working with children, or women, might be an option? Advocacy also is a great way to make systemic changes, especially where you see injustices. Second, do as others have suggested and work on your own feelings in all of this. It's tough, I know, and I too struggle so much with the suffering of this world. So much of what you wrote I could have written myself. :-) You are what we call "wounded healer" - you have seen the suffering and experienced the suffering, and wish to do something about it.
Thank you for writing your feelings, you have spoken to each one of us. :-)
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Post by LAM88 on Jul 2, 2014 15:28:10 GMT
There are volumes and volumes written about Christian suffering by more scholarly and poetic people than I, so I'm embarrassed to even attempt an answer to this. But the message of the modern world is that nothing is more important than personal happiness, and that we should do whatever it takes to be happy. But that is very different from the message of Christ. He does not promise us happiness in this world, only in the next. He tells us that the path to salvation is very difficult. In fact, Jesus tells us that in order to follow Him we must take up our own cross. And what better example of the beauty and glory of suffering do we have than our Lord himself, who freely submitted to the suffering of the cross in order that we might all find salvation?
So many of us spend our lives looking for fulfillment outside of God: in other people or in excessive pleasure or a myriad of other ways. But St. Augustine reminds us that true peace and happiness are found only in God. He said, "You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our hearts are restless until they find their rest in you." So while there is much beauty and good in the world, it can also be a terrible place, and in the end it is not the place we are made for. And until we are reunited with God, who made us for Himself, we will always know some level of suffering. And as much as our human nature and our world are telling us that suffering is a bad thing, we have the example of Jesus (and many saints throughout history) to show us that there is also much good in suffering.
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Post by Sparki on Jul 2, 2014 16:23:44 GMT
Another one that this post speaks to. I just try hard to put it in God's hands and trust him. I try to not hold onto those feelings. Like the quote about Mother Theresa that Scrap4nick shared, I try to help the one in front of me, and try hard not to take on the burdens of the world.
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Post by donna on Jul 2, 2014 16:58:19 GMT
You have such a gentle caring heart. You have received some wonderful advice here. One thing that I try to do every day is find something to "high five" about. My youngest son and I started this a few years ago. It really helped me to see the positive in each day.
Hugs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 17:38:42 GMT
http://www.amazon.com/Question-That-Never-Goes-Away/dp/0310339820
Yours is The Question-That-Never-Goes-Away. I love the book by Philip Yancy with that same name. That might be a good place for you to start.
Oprah's 'Gratitude Journal" project has helped me in the past, too, when I get overwhelmed.
My dd sent this scripture to me and her sisters today. Her 20 yo son was murdered last year and she is daily seeking comfort to just survive every day. Romans 8
17 And since we are his children, we will share his treasures—for all God gives to his Son Jesus is now ours too. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering.
18 Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory he will give us later. 19 For all creation is waiting patiently and hopefully for that future day when God will resurrect his children. 20-21 For on that day thorns and thistles, sin, death, and decay—the things that overcame the world against its will at God’s command—will all disappear, and the world around us will share in the glorious freedom from sin which God’s children enjoy.
22 For we know that even the things of nature, like animals and plants, suffer in sickness and death as they await this great event. 23 And even we Christians, although we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, also groan to be released from pain and suffering. We, too, wait anxiously for that day when God will give us our full rights as his children, including the new bodies he has promised us—bodies that will never be sick again and will never die.
24 We are saved by trusting. And trusting means looking forward to getting something we don’t yet have—for a man who already has something doesn’t need to hope and trust that he will get it. 25 But if we must keep trusting God for something that hasn’t happened yet, it teaches us to wait patiently and confidently.
26 And in the same way—by our faith—the Holy Spirit helps us with our daily problems and in our praying. For we don’t even know what we should pray for nor how to pray as we should, but the Holy Spirit prays for us with such feeling that it cannot be expressed in words. 27 And the Father who knows all hearts knows, of course, what the Spirit is saying as he pleads for us in harmony with God’s own will. 28 And we know that all that happens to us is working for our good if we love God and are fitting into his plans.
29 For from the very beginning God decided that those who came to him—and all along he knew who would—should become like his Son, so that his Son would be the First, with many brothers. 30 And having chosen us, he called us to come to him; and when we came, he declared us “not guilty,” filled us with Christ’s goodness, gave us right standing with himself, and promised us his glory.
31 What can we ever say to such wonderful things as these? If God is on our side, who can ever be against us? 32 Since he did not spare even his own Son for us but gave him up for us all, won’t he also surely give us everything else?
35 Who then can ever keep Christ’s love from us? When we have trouble or calamity, when we are hunted down or destroyed, is it because he doesn’t love us anymore? And if we are hungry or penniless or in danger or threatened with death, has God deserted us?
36 No, for the Scriptures tell us that for his sake we must be ready to face death at every moment of the day—we are like sheep awaiting slaughter; 37 but despite all this, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ who loved us enough to die for us. 38 For I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from his love. Death can’t, and life can’t. The angels won’t, and all the powers of hell itself cannot keep God’s love away. Our fears for today, our worries about tomorrow, 39 or where we are—high above the sky, or in the deepest ocean—nothing will ever be able to separate us from the love of God demonstrated by our Lord Jesus Christ when he died for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 18:23:18 GMT
OP, I know exactly where you're coming from. It seems like everyone I know, myself included, has a family member with a terminal illness or other devastating issue in their lives. It's like a flood of awfulness, you know? But like others have said, make a difference where you are. Help where you can.
And every morning when you get up, choose joy. I actually have that quote framed so I look at it several times a day. In spite of the awful circumstances around me, I can choose joy instead of despair. Joy doesn't come from my circumstances, but in who I am in Christ. That gets me through the day when it just seems to be too much.
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Post by my2apps2 on Jul 2, 2014 18:28:29 GMT
I am so sorry you are going through this. I often feel this way myself. I just have to remind myself that we live in a very, very broken place.
I often think that God shows me these things to help me see the world through His eyes, to remind me to be compassionate and loving and giving. To basically remind me that I am supposed to be the hands and feet of Jesus. It isn't easy, and it leads me often to despair at the state of things.
You are a kind, giving, loving person and that is a good thing! I agree that perhaps you should visit with a Christian counselor if it is becoming too much for you to bear. But I also want to encourage you that it is ok to step back if you need a break. Also, when you are feeling overwhelmed by the hopelessness of it all, turn to prayer.
I know it isn't easy. I will be praying for you!
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Post by J u l e e on Jul 2, 2014 18:40:11 GMT
I know exactly what you are talking about. It is overwhelming and paralyzing. I could add paragraphs to what you, and others, have shared on this thread. I have to watch my emotional state though because sometimes talking/writing about it helps. Other times, it sends me over the slippery slope of inactivity. I have found, for me, the only way to wake up each day is to realize that my life was created for a purpose. And I will use it, for as much as I am able, to help others. And when I start to feel the paralysis set in, I reread this quote from Helen Keller - "I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do."
(((HUGS))) and just put one foot in front of the other and continue to do the next right thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 18:50:30 GMT
There will always be suffering but it doesn't mean we stop doing our part to improve life for as many people as we can. Mother Teresa said "if you can't feed a thousand, feed one."
The Bible says to cherish your suffering and know that God redeems our pain and tears.
When I look back across my 42 years, the times of suffering, difficulty and pain are also the times of growth and faith and life lessons learned and family bonds strengthened.
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Post by mimima on Jul 2, 2014 20:04:59 GMT
One thing I love about the internet is the ability to create and maintain friendships online. One thing that is difficult about the internet is that the fact that we see the sorrows and struggles of not only our friends, but all around us - because the news travels so much quicker, and is blared at us nonstop. It can be very disheartening and overwhelming. Prayers and I agree with a lot of the advice above.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 2, 2014 20:16:49 GMT
I realize you're looking for a spiritual answer, but please don't ignore the fact there might be a chemical imbalance somewhere that you need medication for. Might be a good idea to get a physical and let your doctor know about this profound sadness you are experiencing. It seems like you are taking on way too much responsibility for the world. You can't fix everything, but you can make a difference in the lives of some elderly folks, or people in the hospital who don't have family to visit them.....baby steps.
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Post by scrappintoee on Jul 3, 2014 0:31:01 GMT
Thank you, everyone!!! I realllly appreciate everything that everyone said!!! One thing I should've said in my original post is that MY life is very blessed---nothing MAJOR going on, (of course I have problems like anyone else, I just don't have anything horribly life-changing going on.) The worst thing I've dealt with thus far is the death of my baby brother 5 years ago....I do still grieve for him and I miss him MORE in the summer, because we always went to the beach together! I hate to say---sometimes I feel GUILTY that I don't have horrible things in my life when SO many others do--starving, abuse, homeless, illness, suffering, etc. I'd also like to add, if you knew me "IRL", I am actually a very FUN person (most of the time.....) and I'm known to make people laugh---a lot.....That may sound VERY weird after my depressing post....but it's true.... GrinningCat---I just wanted to tell ya what you said is VERY valid, and I appreciate it.! (I've also enjoyed your point-of-view on things for years!) And have friends of different religions/ beliefs, etc.....The ONLY reason I addressed **CHRISTIAN** people was because I just wanted to see what biblical references people would add; and also, some of my sweet, caring Christian family and friends are ALWAYS telling me to trust God, give it to Him, don't dwell, etc.....and I struggle with that "trusting and giving it to Him" part....so, I hope that explains why I said that. I've only been a Christian for 14 years.....so I'm still a newbie One of my bestest friends doesn't let ANYthing bother her....just says she gives it to God every day....and that's great. We volunteered together at the children's shelter, and she left it all behind, which again----is GREAT for her! But I'm the type that the whole time we were there, and days after, I'm still thinking about how horribly abused or neglected these children are, praying and praying, yet it doesn't seem enough. There are times when I wanna shake her and say "doesn't ANYTHING make you sad?" ......And, I also hate to admit, **sometimes** I think we (myself included) use scripture and prayer as a form of denial......For example, I LOVE that verse in Philippians about thinking of only the good, the lovely, etc....I have prayed on that verse MANY times, and it DOES help! Then there's that part of me that thinks "yea, but everything is NOT good and lovely ALL the time....why not keep praying for all the horribleness to go away?".... This is semi-related to what I'm trying to say about having a Christian viewpoint about sad things-----I read the BEST book after my brother died....it's called "Confessions of a Grieving Christian" by Zig Ziglar...what I LOVED about his book is that even though he was a pastor/ very strong believer, even HE was annoyed (after their daughter died) of people saying "trite" things like "oh, she's in a better place", etc......He said "yes, I KNOW she is...but I want her HERE!!!"......It reminds me of a very close friend of mine who will never just acknowledge that people are SAD about losing someone they love---she throws bible verses at them (and me!) and it BUGS me! You know the saying---when people are hurting, they just want someone to LISTEN, and offer a hug and/ or just agree.....people just stating a bible verse to me--although well intended---can be so annoying...... Creative Girl....thank you for the book reco.....I am definitely going to read it! ElayneF---SO sorry about your nephew!!! And thank you also for the book reco....definitely going to read that, too.
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Post by scrappintoee on Jul 3, 2014 0:39:15 GMT
by the way... THIS is why I like to stick to the LIGHT posts.... ...especially the ones about TV.... Mindless TV is a GREAT escape for me!!!!
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Post by krbeah on Jul 3, 2014 3:32:46 GMT
When I read your OP the first thing that came to my mind is that you may be attempting to serve God in the wrong area. We all have spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12) and serving in that area may not be the one for you! My mother volunteers for a few organization in the community and she does an amazing job with it. It makes her very happy and she feels like she has been placed in a position that she might be the only Jesus some people see. I'm envious of her. I have tried to join her and no matter how much time I put in or how hard I try, I just can not get past some of the injustices. It makes me sad/mad. I have yet to figure out my gift but I can tell you it is NOT serving in that area! You may be in the same position.
I will pray for you and that God show you what you need to do and at what capacity! In the meantime, like another pea said, CHOOSE JOY!
{{Hugs}}
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