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Post by mcjunkin on Sept 9, 2020 21:03:03 GMT
Have you seen the new "MAKERS" page on Tim Holtz's website??? 23 women and 1 man. 21 WHITE women and only 2 Black! It's performative allyship and Tim Holtz is fooling no one!!! The only silver lining to this big cloud of yuk is that the Social page that Zoe Hillman and her Tim Holtz Addicts Group were on have been deleted from the website. That tells us everything we need to know about what really happened and at least Tim has seen fit to walk away from her and her horrible little group. Ding dong the witch is dead!!! JUST. STOP. If you'd look a little closer, you would see that not all of those 21 remaining women are "WHITE" as you say. So a slap in the face to the two Asian designers. Way to go. Also, the Addicts group may no longer be linked on TH's website, but Mario is still an administrator, and I believe TH himself has been liking posts over there pretty recently. Thirdly, Zoe Hillman is still listed as one of his makers. You are seriously over-invested in this. You give them way too much headspace and power over you. If this is even real. Which it sounds like it is not. Your details conveniently match up with Lara's a little too closely. All the way down to the basket of goodies.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 9, 2020 21:51:16 GMT
Forget popcorn, Imma need a stiff drink.
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Post by msliz on Sept 9, 2020 22:19:38 GMT
I also feel you're overinvested, precisely because you have been hurt. You're giving it too much room in your head. I'm worried about you.
Nothing is going to change where TH is concerned. You, on the other hand, can walk away. You don't have to keep doing this. It's not healthy for you.
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Post by nicolep on Sept 9, 2020 22:50:41 GMT
Forget popcorn, Imma need a stiff drink. Someone. Please.. just knock me out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 22:56:57 GMT
Forget popcorn, Imma need a stiff drink. Someone. Please.. just knock me out. "I'll have what he's having..."
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 9, 2020 23:08:15 GMT
Someone. Please.. just knock me out. "I'll have what he's having..." *orders a white Speedo on the rocks*
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Post by msliz on Sept 9, 2020 23:13:09 GMT
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Post by mom on Sept 9, 2020 23:13:29 GMT
"I'll have what he's having..." *orders a white Speedo on the rocks* God I love him. And you! I have so much second hand embarrassment for the OP. Just stop...
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Post by don on Sept 9, 2020 23:23:05 GMT
JUST. STOP. If you'd look a little closer, you would see that not all of those 21 remaining women are "WHITE" as you say. So a slap in the face to the two Asian designers. Way to go. Also, the Addicts group may no longer be linked on TH's website, but Mario is still an administrator, and I believe TH himself has been liking posts over there pretty recently. Thirdly, Zoe Hillman is still listed as one of his makers. You are seriously over-invested in this. You give them way too much headspace and power over you. If this is even real. Which it sounds like it is not. Your details conveniently match up with Lara's a little too closely. All the way down to the basket of goodies. So Tim Holtz is playing at performative allyship which actually harms the BLM and I should JUST STOP?! I do apologise to the POC makers on his "makers team", which by the way he claims not to have a "makers team" as is now listen on his blog. It is so hard to tell when he has opted for black and white photographs, which is convenient for him. Why is Mario an administrator of the group? Tim claims not to be linked with the group and claimed on one of his live "performances" that he never went into the group and yet his "business manager" is helping to run it. Explain that to me please? Zoe Hillman is at the bottom of the list of makers and was previously on her own Social page with "her" Facebook group listed. Why the change immediately after rumours that she was being cancelled? Yes I am invested in this, do I not have the right to be? Who are you to judge whether I am over-invested? If you had been hurt as I have, you would be too. No offence to you because I see how this will look to others, but maybe my posts will bring about much needed changes. My best wishes go with you mcjunkin. Really? Ladies, get a grip. It's just paper, scissors and rock and roll. Don't sniff the glue.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 9, 2020 23:29:34 GMT
*orders a white Speedo on the rocks* God I love him. And you! Right back atcha, mom.
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Post by FurryP on Sept 10, 2020 0:10:29 GMT
I'm cleaning out my craft room today. It's my break time right now.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 10, 2020 1:15:28 GMT
If this is the Ink Road lady, or you know her, tell her thanks a lot. I naively believed a person involved in the same industry wouldn't use black lives matter as a way to cause drama. Not going to buy from her now. It's a shame I really like her Christmas Vacation stamps.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 10, 2020 2:13:24 GMT
Out of curiosity, there's new pre-orders up on her site and you can tell one set has everything to do with the Tim drama. Gross. One of the few stamp sets that doesn't have watermarks all over it.
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Post by mom on Sept 10, 2020 2:32:22 GMT
Out of curiosity, there's new pre-orders up on her site and you can tell one set has everything to do with the Tim drama. Gross. One of the few stamp sets that doesn't have watermarks all over it. yep. Gross.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 10, 2020 3:04:36 GMT
So do they or don't they make stuff? "MAKERS" would sound like they don't actually make things and as far as I know of TH, he scouts people using his products for his teams, so they actually do...you know...make things. Or are they not valid because they don't meet some sort of minimum that you personally decided was necessary?
This really is becoming an unhealthy obsession. You aren't going to hurt his brand as a (unless I've missed something) nameless random person trying to tear him down. You really ought to process whatever it is he and/or his business did to you OR you believe that they did to you and move on. I doubt any action he or his branding took would be good enough for you because it seems like you have such a personal hatred of him you'll write off anything and everything to validate your personal feelings.
Also, was there really a need for another post about the same topic when you could have just posted there? This whole thing comes across as a desperate attention seeking venture.
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Post by mom on Sept 10, 2020 14:50:47 GMT
So do they or don't they make stuff? "MAKERS" would sound like they don't actually make things and as far as I know of TH, he scouts people using his products for his teams, so they actually do...you know...make things. Or are they not valid because they don't meet some sort of minimum that you personally decided was necessary? This really is becoming an unhealthy obsession. You aren't going to hurt his brand as a (unless I've missed something) nameless random person trying to tear him down. You really ought to process whatever it is he and/or his business did to you OR you believe that they did to you and move on. I doubt any action he or his branding took would be good enough for you because it seems like you have such a personal hatred of him you'll write off anything and everything to validate your personal feelings. Also, was there really a need for another post about the same topic when you could have just posted there? This whole thing comes across as a desperate attention seeking venture. Tim Holtz says one thing but does another. He says he has no design team and then throws up a list of people who make samples for him. He called them "MAKERS" not "DESIGNERS" because he is conning people. HE LIES! HE IS FAKE! I am hurt because I believed he was good and I invested a lot of time, money and my heart into his brand and the way I have been treated is horrendous. I am desperate and unhappy and I seek solace here. I am sorry you are not in a good place. For you own mental health, I really want to encourage you to let this go. Its not healthy to be so consumed with anger for someone you dont know, and honestly, he doesn't care what you think. Its eating you up but does absolutely nothing to Tim. Quit stalking his FB accounts. Quit analyzing every post and comment he makes. The way you carry on, it makes you look unstable and crazy, not Tim. Honestly? You lose your credibility when you harp on Tim non-stop. I dont think he could do anything that you would like and that says more about you than him.
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Post by JustTricia on Sept 10, 2020 15:32:28 GMT
Black and white photos fit his aesthetic. Actually, I’m more surprised that they aren’t sepia.
And do you know FOR A FACT that none of the other people pictured are POC? I ask for a specific reason.
I have a cousin that is biracial. I was watching her play basketball on tv one day at work and a coworker asking which player was my cousin. When I pointed her out his response was “I assumed that was her. She’s the only white girl on the team.” I responded she’s biracial.
Same cousin, on a basketball trip out of state with her parents at the very beginning of the season. Most of the parents were hanging out together one afternoon before a game. For the first hour or so only my cousin’s dad was there, her mom hadn’t arrived yet. Her mom finally does get there, hangs out for a bit, and goes back up to the room. One of the new parent’s comment to the Dad about his wife being black, something like “I see where *cousin* gets her coloring from”. The Dad just starts laughing. When asked why he was laughing the Dad says “I’M the black one. My wife is Irish Catholic white, she just gets a really dark tan!” This was after spending well over an hour together. And the Dad is NOT shy so I can guarantee he had had a conversation and gotten to know everyone at that gathering.
So again, do you know FOR A FACT that the other 19 people pictured are white, or are you just making stereotypical assumptions off of names and what you *think* POC should look like?
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Post by JavaJones on Sept 10, 2020 16:41:19 GMT
Right back atcha, mom . I am only here for the GIFs
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 10, 2020 17:44:58 GMT
@buttons We are a scrap board not a psychiatrist. This isn't the place for the issues you're dealing with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 17:47:36 GMT
So do they or don't they make stuff? "MAKERS" would sound like they don't actually make things and as far as I know of TH, he scouts people using his products for his teams, so they actually do...you know...make things. Or are they not valid because they don't meet some sort of minimum that you personally decided was necessary? This really is becoming an unhealthy obsession. You aren't going to hurt his brand as a (unless I've missed something) nameless random person trying to tear him down. You really ought to process whatever it is he and/or his business did to you OR you believe that they did to you and move on. I doubt any action he or his branding took would be good enough for you because it seems like you have such a personal hatred of him you'll write off anything and everything to validate your personal feelings. Also, was there really a need for another post about the same topic when you could have just posted there? This whole thing comes across as a desperate attention seeking venture. Tim Holtz says one thing but does another. He says he has no design team and then throws up a list of people who make samples for him. He called them "MAKERS" not "DESIGNERS" because he is conning people. HE LIES! HE IS FAKE! I am hurt because I believed he was good and I invested a lot of time, money and my heart into his brand and the way I have been treated is horrendous. I am desperate and unhappy and I seek solace here. I am sorry you feel this way. Please please step away from it for a bit and take care of yourself
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 10, 2020 17:50:29 GMT
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Post by mom on Sept 10, 2020 17:52:53 GMT
I am sorry you are not in a good place. For you own mental health, I really want to encourage you to let this go. Its not healthy to be so consumed with anger for someone you dont know, and honestly, he doesn't care what you think. Its eating you up but does absolutely nothing to Tim. Quit stalking his FB accounts. Quit analyzing every post and comment he makes. The way you carry on, it makes you look unstable and crazy, not Tim. Honestly? You lose your credibility when you harp on Tim non-stop. I dont think he could do anything that you would like and that says more about you than him. Calling me crazy and unstable on world suicide prevention day is wonderful! Thank you for your support. My Dad took his own life a few years ago after a series of scandals. He checked in to a hotel and injected himself with five vials of insulin and died alone and in pain! I suppose you could call him unstable and crazy too. He was driven to this by the rejection, hurt and lies of others. Now tell me again that this doesn't matter. I do know Tim Holtz. I was on his design team, the design team he claims not to have. He is a big deal in the craft industry and this forum is for that purpose. It would be lovely if people would offer support and victim blame. My Dad's name was Rod, if any one cares!!!!! Thank you for listening. I am truly sorry about your dad. My mom attempted suicide and I know how painful it is. I stand by comments though. Tim does not care about how you feel. Period. Know him or not, he is not worrying one minuet about this. I also stand how you come across. Maybe you aren’t crazy. But the only impression we have of you is your posts here. And I’m sorry, but the amount of time, energy and effort you have put into bitching about it here is not healthy or normal. Feel free to respond, but I won’t be responding to you any longer. I’ve already spent more time thinking about this than I care to.
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Post by marmargirl on Sept 10, 2020 17:53:08 GMT
I am sorry you are not in a good place. For you own mental health, I really want to encourage you to let this go. Its not healthy to be so consumed with anger for someone you dont know, and honestly, he doesn't care what you think. Its eating you up but does absolutely nothing to Tim. Quit stalking his FB accounts. Quit analyzing every post and comment he makes. The way you carry on, it makes you look unstable and crazy, not Tim. Honestly? You lose your credibility when you harp on Tim non-stop. I dont think he could do anything that you would like and that says more about you than him. Calling me crazy and unstable on world suicide prevention day is wonderful! Thank you for your support. My Dad took his own life a few years ago after a series of scandals. He checked in to a hotel and injected himself with five vials of insulin and died alone and in pain! I suppose you could call him unstable and crazy too. He was driven to this by the rejection, hurt and lies of others. Now tell me again that this doesn't matter. I do know Tim Holtz. I was on his design team, the design team he claims not to have. He is a big deal in the craft industry and this forum is for that purpose. It would be lovely if people would offer support and victim blame. My Dad's name was Rod, if any one cares!!!!! Thank you for listening. There is no amount of support from the people on this board that can help you. You need professional help to deal with this, based on how worked up you are. I say this this sincerely. A therapist can help you to work through the stress this seems to be causing you so you can focus on more positive things in your life.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 10, 2020 18:04:56 GMT
Black and white photos fit his aesthetic. Actually, I’m more surprised that they aren’t sepia. And do you know FOR A FACT that none of the other people pictured are POC? I ask for a specific reason. I have a cousin that is biracial. I was watching her play basketball on tv one day at work and a coworker asking which player was my cousin. When I pointed her out his response was “I assumed that was her. She’s the only white girl on the team.” I responded she’s biracial. Same cousin, on a basketball trip out of state with her parents at the very beginning of the season. Most of the parents were hanging out together one afternoon before a game. For the first hour or so only my cousin’s dad was there, her mom hadn’t arrived yet. Her mom finally does get there, hangs out for a bit, and goes back up to the room. One of the new parent’s comment to the Dad about his wife being black, something like “I see where *cousin* gets her coloring from”. The Dad just starts laughing. When asked why he was laughing the Dad says “I’M the black one. My wife is Irish Catholic white, she just gets a really dark tan!” This was after spending well over an hour together. And the Dad is NOT shy so I can guarantee he had had a conversation and gotten to know everyone at that gathering. So again, do you know FOR A FACT that the other 19 people pictured are white, or are you just making stereotypical assumptions off of names and what you *think* POC should look like? My kids are white passing much of the time (they're super tan right now from so much swimming, so they look more mixed than they usually do). Not a term I heard before Halsey. She was harped on during the peak of the protests for ignoring her full background (i.e. accused of pretending she was just white) and made mention that being white passing makes it so certain struggles of people obviously Black don't impact her the same way and using her background wouldn't help the movement. My oldest has my husband's hair (well, before he lost it, lol) which is the only trait that usually makes him appear more obviously mixed. My younger 2 look like me with my hair type and it isn't obvious at all they are biracial.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 10, 2020 22:01:42 GMT
David makes everything better.
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