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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 4:40:40 GMT
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Post by pattyraindrops on Sept 10, 2020 4:57:13 GMT
I really don't think that will mean a thing to "one issue" people. Often people are labeled as one issue and really are not.
If you look at the chart many people who vote one way on the "one" issue fall in line on the other issues as well.
Even if one is against abuse of women, they may not be for government spending to help with it or the taxes to cover it, but instead feel it is a choice we should be allowed to make by giving to charity.
And that's just one item on the list.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 10, 2020 15:50:45 GMT
I think many of them would counter that list with, “It shouldn’t be the job of the government to do all that though. That’s what charities are for.”  I know a BUNCH of them, and I’d be willing to bet they give almost nothing to any charity other than their own church. Kind of boils down to that meme someone posted on a different thread yesterday that said, “When someone says they’re a Christian I want to ask, classic Jesus or republican Jesus?” |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 16:17:17 GMT
I think many of them would counter that list with, “It shouldn’t be the job of the government to do all that though. That’s what charities are for.” I know a BUNCH of them, and I’d be willing to bet they give almost nothing to any charity other than their own church. Kind of boils down to that meme someone posted on a different thread yesterday that said, “When someone says they’re a Christian I want to ask, classic Jesus or republican Jesus?” Of course, let's let "charities" deal with funding people's cancer treatments at hundreds of thousands a pop. Or let's let "charities" deal with abused spouses - cuz they're experts at that, naturally. Or let's let "charities" clean up the water in polluted water sheds and around brown fields - that lead to developmental delays, chronic health conditions, etc. - cuz those are minor and insignificant costs Oh, and let's make sure we assign all this work to "charities" so when people go begging hat-in-hand to the "charity" they can get a can of soup and a sermon on the side. WIN-WIN-WIN! |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 10, 2020 16:18:46 GMT
Utter and complete ineffective. Whoever created does not even begin to understand these voters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 16:28:00 GMT
I remember the nuns of my youth mostly fondly. I remember the priests of my youth as fear-mongers and hypocrites. YMMV "In December 1971, a group of Catholic sisters voted to create a nationwide “network” of women religious who would engage in political activism at the federal level for social justice. Representing diverse ministries including direct service and community organizing, the 47 sisters from across the U.S. were meeting in Washington DC at a time when the church was undergoing dramatic changes in response to Vatican II reforms and calls to create “Justice in the World.” Many had also boldly joined the waves of civil rights, feminist and anti-war activism that were sweeping the U.S. “The Network” (now called NETWORK) officially opened our doors in April 1972. Staff members initially lived and worked in the same house in Washington, which also served as a place where local activists gathered for Saturday-night liturgies and other events." networkadvocates.org/about/history/ |
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Post by Merge on Sept 10, 2020 16:51:22 GMT
The vast majority of them are not really one-issue voters. They use abortion as an excuse while also quietly agreeing with Trump's policies that fuck over the poor, immigrants, women, LGBTQ and others. The unborn are just an excuse to vote for racism and greed.
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Post by Olan on Sept 10, 2020 17:04:38 GMT
One issue voter = racist
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Post by maryland on Sept 10, 2020 18:23:37 GMT
The vast majority of them are not really one-issue voters. They use abortion as an excuse while also quietly agreeing with Trump's policies that fuck over the poor, immigrants, women, LGBTQ and others. The unborn are just an excuse to vote for racism and greed. That makes sense. I am going to use your explanation because I think it's really good. I get so mad when our local news mentioned Pence visiting our area to meet with a pro-life group. He is not pro-life, just anti-woman, etc. |
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 10, 2020 18:28:20 GMT
They aren't one issue voters; they are just people who WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES vote for a Democrat who may sometimes say they are one issue voters on abortion to get people off their backs.
My feeling is they are unpersuadable and my efforts are better spent on people who are persuadable.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 10, 2020 21:28:40 GMT
I think many of them would counter that list with, “It shouldn’t be the job of the government to do all that though. That’s what charities are for.” I know a BUNCH of them, and I’d be willing to bet they give almost nothing to any charity other than their own church. Kind of boils down to that meme someone posted on a different thread yesterday that said, “When someone says they’re a Christian I want to ask, classic Jesus or republican Jesus?” Of course, let's let "charities" deal with funding people's cancer treatments at hundreds of thousands a pop. Or let's let "charities" deal with abused spouses - cuz they're experts at that, naturally. Or let's let "charities" clean up the water in polluted water sheds and around brown fields - that lead to developmental delays, chronic health conditions, etc. - cuz those are minor and insignificant costs Oh, and let's make sure we assign all this work to "charities" so when people go begging hat-in-hand to the "charity" they can get a can of soup and a sermon on the side. WIN-WIN-WIN! Oh, I totally agree with you that it’s a ridiculous argument but I still hear stuff like that anyway. Government can do all those things so much more effectively and efficiently, even taking into consideration some inevitable fraud and waste in our current systems because people in general sometimes suck. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 10, 2020 22:29:18 GMT
Utter and complete ineffective. Whoever created does not even begin to understand these voters. Enlighten us. What do we need to understand about these voters? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 10, 2020 23:05:41 GMT
Utter and complete ineffective. Whoever created does not even begin to understand these voters. Enlighten us. What do we need to understand about these voters? There are a segment of voters who are truly anti-abortion - if you want to go off on how they're actually misogynist, racists or whatever with anecdotes from your screwed up neighborhood/family - whatever. I don't care. There are all kinds of psychos out there. You're not going to suddenly enlighten a misogynist asshole. BUT there are absolutely people who feel abortion is a mortal sin. You can discount it, say it's stupid come up with a million reason why it shouldn't - whatever. You're not going to change their mind. They are 100% sure than abortion is wrong. And an infograph designed by someone who is pro-choice to basically show that abortion isn't actually a big deal in the grand scheme of things is going to not just fall on death ears, but reiterate to them that you are utterly clueless. This was designed by a group who is passionate about social change - and utterly silent about abortion. This is not going to resonate one iota with them. Its the same as people who want to convince someone concerned about 2nd amendement rights by showing them about all the horrors of gun violence. It's just not going to be effective. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 0:03:24 GMT
Enlighten us. What do we need to understand about these voters? There are a segment of voters who are truly anti-abortion - if you want to go off on how they're actually misogynist, racists or whatever with anecdotes from your screwed up neighborhood/family - whatever. I don't care. There are all kinds of psychos out there. You're not going to suddenly enlighten a misogynist asshole. BUT there are absolutely people who feel abortion is a mortal sin. You can discount it, say it's stupid come up with a million reason why it shouldn't - whatever. You're not going to change their mind. They are 100% sure than abortion is wrong. And an infograph designed by someone who is pro-choice to basically show that abortion isn't actually a big deal in the grand scheme of things is going to not just fall on death ears, but reiterate to them that you are utterly clueless. This was designed by a group who is passionate about social change - and utterly silent about abortion. This is not going to resonate one iota with them. Its the same as people who want to convince someone concerned about 2nd amendement rights by showing them about all the horrors of gun violence. It's just not going to be effective. That is SO not what the OP is about. Did you have a look or are you only going off on the comments after the OP? Did you notice that the OP info is from an org of NUNS, that it references the POPE, that it talks about the "sanctity of life"?! |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 11, 2020 0:30:35 GMT
There are a segment of voters who are truly anti-abortion - if you want to go off on how they're actually misogynist, racists or whatever with anecdotes from your screwed up neighborhood/family - whatever. I don't care. There are all kinds of psychos out there. You're not going to suddenly enlighten a misogynist asshole. BUT there are absolutely people who feel abortion is a mortal sin. You can discount it, say it's stupid come up with a million reason why it shouldn't - whatever. You're not going to change their mind. They are 100% sure than abortion is wrong. And an infograph designed by someone who is pro-choice to basically show that abortion isn't actually a big deal in the grand scheme of things is going to not just fall on death ears, but reiterate to them that you are utterly clueless. This was designed by a group who is passionate about social change - and utterly silent about abortion. This is not going to resonate one iota with them. Its the same as people who want to convince someone concerned about 2nd amendement rights by showing them about all the horrors of gun violence. It's just not going to be effective. That is SO not what the OP is about. Did you have a look or are you only going off on the comments after the OP? Did you notice that the OP info is from an org of NUNS, that it references the POPE, that it talks about the "sanctity of life"?! I answered the question that was posed to me in a quote. But if you want to explore this group who are not all nuns - I love that their managing director is a MAN but they want to claim to be nuns. See why the POPE is not so enamored with their inability to address abortion - or don't I really don't care. It's a semi-religious group that is interested in social justice and ignoring the tough social issues that don't fit their agenda - I mean for fucks sake the leader said "it's above my pay grade" when asked about abortion. If they want to pretend to be Catholic take a stand on abortion. And don't pretend your'e going to sway voters who care about abortion by talking about a bunch of other issues. It's at best a cop out and in reality hypocrisy at it's finest. Link for above my pay grade, not that I think anyone cares: www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/legal-abortion-above-my-pay-grade-says-sr-simone-campbell-before-prayers-at-democratic-national-convention-27998 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 0:47:24 GMT
That is SO not what the OP is about. Did you have a look or are you only going off on the comments after the OP? Did you notice that the OP info is from an org of NUNS, that it references the POPE, that it talks about the "sanctity of life"?! I answered the question that was posed to me in a quote. But if you want to explore this group who are not all nuns - I love that their managing director is a MAN but they want to claim to be nuns. See why the POPE is not so enamored with their inability to address abortion - or don't I really don't care. It's a semi-religious group that is interested in social justice and ignoring the tough social issues that don't fit their agenda - I mean for fucks sake the leader said "it's above my pay grade" when asked about abortion. If they want to pretend to be Catholic take a stand on abortion. And don't pretend your'e going to sway voters who care about abortion by talking about a bunch of other issues. It's at best a cop out and in reality hypocrisy at it's finest. I'm not 'pretending'. I'm merely giving people information which may sway 'some' single-issue voters who have room in their minds and hearts to consider the ' other issues' about life after the womb. networkadvocates.org/staff/ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2020 0:56:47 GMT
Interesting breakdown of (some) religious groups: Maybe some should rethink they positions... Leaked notes between Trump and British leaders prove he’s not really ‘pro-life’Published 2 days ago on September 7, 2020By Sarah K. Burris President Donald Trump has long been accused of saying whatever he needs to for the religious-right to support him. But a new report claims that Trump talked about not supporting the abortion ban that anti-choice advocates espouse. In an exclusive report from The Telegraph, notes from a meeting between the U.S. and British leaders cites Trump being honest about where he really stands. “He wanted to know where Mrs. May stood. Pro-choice or pro-life?” the article says about Trump’s meeting with former Prime Minister Theresa May. “‘Imagine some animal with tattoos raping your daughter and then she gets pregnant,’ the president said, according to the notes, graphically outlining the case for allowing abortion,” The Telegraph reported. “Mr. Trump then pointed at Mike Pence, the U.S. vice president known for being deeply religious. ‘He’s a really tough one on abortion,’ he is quoting saying, before again [asking] Mrs. May for her view. The then-prime minister offered a careful response ‘diplomatically threading the needle’ according to one source familiar with the conversation — before shifting the discussion back to safer ground,” the report said. It was just four days ago that Trump’s campaign released a letter to anti-choice leaders falsely accusing former Vice President Joe Biden of wanting taxpayer-funded abortions. “As I seek re-election this November, I need your help in contrasting my bold pro-life leadership with Joe Biden’s abortion extremism,” Trump said in the release. ** www.rawstory.com/2020/09/leaked-notes-between-trump-and-british-leaders-prove-hes-not-really-pro-life/ |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 11, 2020 0:58:20 GMT
Interesting breakdown of (some) religious groups: Maybe some should rethink they positions... Leaked notes between Trump and British leaders prove he’s not really ‘pro-life’Published 2 days ago on September 7, 2020By Sarah K. Burris President Donald Trump has long been accused of saying whatever he needs to for the religious-right to support him. But a new report claims that Trump talked about not supporting the abortion ban that anti-choice advocates espouse. In an exclusive report from The Telegraph, notes from a meeting between the U.S. and British leaders cites Trump being honest about where he really stands. “He wanted to know where Mrs. May stood. Pro-choice or pro-life?” the article says about Trump’s meeting with former Prime Minister Theresa May. “‘Imagine some animal with tattoos raping your daughter and then she gets pregnant,’ the president said, according to the notes, graphically outlining the case for allowing abortion,” The Telegraph reported. “Mr. Trump then pointed at Mike Pence, the U.S. vice president known for being deeply religious. ‘He’s a really tough one on abortion,’ he is quoting saying, before again [asking] Mrs. May for her view. The then-prime minister offered a careful response ‘diplomatically threading the needle’ according to one source familiar with the conversation — before shifting the discussion back to safer ground,” the report said. It was just four days ago that Trump’s campaign released a letter to anti-choice leaders falsely accusing former Vice President Joe Biden of wanting taxpayer-funded abortions. “As I seek re-election this November, I need your help in contrasting my bold pro-life leadership with Joe Biden’s abortion extremism,” Trump said in the release. ** www.rawstory.com/2020/09/leaked-notes-between-trump-and-british-leaders-prove-hes-not-really-pro-life/Of course he's not pro-life - I mean he wasn't even a republican before 15 seconds before deciding it was advantageous. |
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Post by J u l e e on Sept 11, 2020 1:05:51 GMT
Enlighten us. What do we need to understand about these voters? There are a segment of voters who are truly anti-abortion - if you want to go off on how they're actually misogynist, racists or whatever (snip) BUT there are absolutely people who feel abortion is a mortal sin. You can discount it, say it's stupid come up with a million reason why it shouldn't - whatever. You're not going to change their mind. They are 100% sure than abortion is wrong. This is absolutely truer than true. I'd rather be able to think the people like this who I know are just stupid idiots. Except they're not. Conservative Supreme Court votes and zero abortions are worth everything else. It's beyond challenging to know (and even love) these people in real life. And unless you do know (and love) someone like this, who truly isn't misogynist and racist, or a stupid idiot, then I sound like one of the crazy people who just don't see the light as well. And I get it. It really isn't that easy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 1:56:09 GMT
There are a segment of voters who are truly anti-abortion - if you want to go off on how they're actually misogynist, racists or whatever (snip) BUT there are absolutely people who feel abortion is a mortal sin. You can discount it, say it's stupid come up with a million reason why it shouldn't - whatever. You're not going to change their mind. They are 100% sure than abortion is wrong. This is absolutely truer than true. I'd rather be able to think the people like this who I know are just stupid idiots. Except they're not. Conservative Supreme Court votes and zero abortions are worth everything else. It's beyond challenging to know (and even love) these people in real life. And unless you do know (and love) someone like this, who truly isn't misogynist and racist, or a stupid idiot, then I sound like one of the crazy people who just don't see the light as well. And I get it. It really isn't that easy. They're not all "stupid idiots" (plenty in my family) but they definitely willfully ignore a lot of aspects of "life" after the birth. And so, they have a level of intellectual dishonesty or intellectual paucity when they can care about life up to and including birth and then say "f(#*$ it, you're on your own" as soon as the placenta passes through the vagina. |
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I know a BUNCH of them, and I’d be willing to bet they give almost nothing to any charity other than their own church.
