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Post by workingclassdog on Nov 4, 2014 3:24:18 GMT
Do you feel like a failure as a parent?
I feel like I must have missed something BIG.. I tried to teach my kids right from wrong, good from bad, etc. We raised them and taught them morals. I thought we were doing a good job as a mom and dad together. There have been ups and downs, but all in all I thought we did pretty good. Lately I have been finding out stuff about one of my kids and that child has been doing things I would consider something not so great. I don't want to get into specifics about it. (and it isn't my six year old...lol).... It's my almost 18 year old daughter who is a senior this year.
It's not the end of the world per-say, but just crap I just can't believe she did (or is doing)... how does a girl who can make great grades, be on Honor Roll, headed for the Air Force next year, make such STUPID mistakes? Not little ones... BIG ones. Hopefully, not life altering at this point... but still where is her brain?
I understand that a teen's brain is not developed all the way and it is impossible to 'make' her see why her actions can lead to bad stuff... But for 18 years of trying to be a good parents this just breaks my heart, to the bone. I wanted nothing but a great future for her (and she can still get that) but if she continues to think she 'knows it all' she just might throw it all away.
Uggggg, at this point she is 18 at the end of the week and I am afraid she might put that into play.... do I just stand back, do I try to punish her... or what... I just pray and pray about it.
I just needed to vent. I want to face her about one of her actions and trying to cool off before approaching her so I can be somewhat level headed... Oh moms.... it's just so freaking hard sometimes.
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Post by workingclassdog on Nov 4, 2014 3:25:26 GMT
PS.. I'll check back for any advice.. I am just not on here as much lately as I am looking for a job and pretty busy the last week and this week. But thanks for any advice in advance.
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Post by uksue on Nov 4, 2014 3:37:32 GMT
I think most parents go through these crises at one time or another. My children are 12, almost 19 and 24, and I have had to learn to hold my breath and bite my tongue occasionally with the oldest two!
I honestly think that in the vast majority of cases where children have a good grounding and a loving family, it will all come right in the end. Without knowing your specific concerns ( which I fully support you not announcing on a forum such as this) I think there is little that can't be undone at this stage.
I went to a child protection conference years ago and something that stuck out then and still lives with me is this: thinking of a triangle , when there is a huge bedrock of care and love and guidance at the bottom, a child will survive that tiny bit at the too where things aren't perfect ( poor parenting occasionally, child making mistakes etc). It's only when the triangle is up the other way ( no bedrock of care, poor parenting across the board, loads of mistakes with little support to balance things) that a child will really suffer long term damage.
Hang in there mum,I hope things calm down for you soon!
ETA we want our kids to be independent and of course they will want to follow their own path- whichsometimes won't align with what we were hoping for. All we can do is be a soft place to fall (providing there isn't something really stupid and or illegal going on of course).
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Post by akathy on Nov 4, 2014 3:39:20 GMT
Unfortunately there really is nothing you can do at this point. You've taught her what you think is right and wrong but it's time for her to choose for herself what she believes. All you can do is love her because no matter what choices or paths she takes in life, she'll always be your baby.
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Post by Outspoken on Nov 4, 2014 3:41:51 GMT
Parenting IS hard! I'm sorry you are experiencing a rough patch. I feel your pain. Mine are only 13 (soon 14)!
Without knowing details, it's hard to say what I would do, but I was raised by the MY HOUSE, MY RULES standard. I think this is when tough love comes into play and it is a lot easier to GIVE advice than DO it!
I hope it gets resolved! Best wishes! Hang in there Mom!
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Post by AllieC on Nov 4, 2014 3:42:38 GMT
I think most parents go through these crises at one time or another. My children are 12, almost 19 and 24, and I have had to learn to hold my breath and bite my tongue occasionally with the oldest two! I honestly think that in the vast majority of cases where children have a good grounding and a loving family, it will all come right in the end. Without knowing your specific concerns ( which I full support you not announcing on a forum such as this) I think the is little that can't be undone at this stage. I went to a child protection conference years ago and something that stuck out then and still lives with me is this: thinking of a triangle , when there is a huge bedrock of care and love and guidance at the bottom, a child will survive that tiny bit at the too where things aren't perfect ( poor parenting occasionally, child making mistakes etc). It's only when the triangle is up the other way ( no bedrock of care, poor parenting across the board, loads of mistakes with little support to balance things) that a child will really suffer long term damage. Hang in there mum,I hope things calm down for you soon! Great post with some wise words. I have a 17 year old daughter and she has pretty much been a dream teen - I am not nieve enough to think that there is stuff that she has done that I wouldnt be happy about. I give myself a reality check by reminding myself what I was up to at her age and much earlier! Most teens will do stupid things, you just have to give them the strong foundation so they are only going to be blips on their life journey.
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Post by scrapngranny on Nov 4, 2014 3:43:16 GMT
Tough love and my house, my rules is about all I have to offer.
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Post by KiwiJo on Nov 4, 2014 3:43:23 GMT
I can't give you any advice about what to do, but I do know what you are going through.
My own two boys are now in their 30s, but I remember exactly the sorts of things you are describing. All I can say, is that both my boys turned out to be well-adjusted and productive adults. There were times through their teenage years (and even early twenties at times) when I really felt a failure as a parent - how could they DO those things. My very wise aunt told me that all I could do was to trust that the values we had taught them would become important to them as they matured - and sure enough she was right.
Hang in there. And you know, most people manage to survive even the most horrific life-changing things. Perhaps your daughter's life might not be what you had imagined and hoped for, but she can live it well anyway. Or perhaps she will come to her senses' and put these actions behind her.
And yeah, it is freaking hard, isn't it! Things were much easier when they were little and they relied on us for everything, weren't they. Sounds like you're being very sensible to cool off beofre talking to her. Hang in there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 3:49:48 GMT
THE hardest part of parenting is knowing you have done your best to give them good solid guidance for a good life then letting them go do what they will with it. For some they have to experience the bad in order to appreciate what they were taught in the first place. The longer you try to keep them from it the harder the fall is going to be eventually. I don't believe "brain maturation" is as biologically driven as some think but the brain actually matured by experiences (we understand this in early childhood development that kids need certain experiences in order for the brain to develop those pathways but we don't expect this with older teens. We try to avoid the experiences until after the brain develops which has oddly pushed the age of brain development into older and older ages)
Face her with the reality of what the consequences are for her actions. But don't punish for it unless it is illegal.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 4, 2014 3:59:02 GMT
I was a dumbasses and made some stupid choices as a teen. It did affect the way my life unfolded, but I landed in a good place. It did take me extra years to do so though.
If these choices are threatening her air force career, I'd find a way to stress that.
She isnt 18 yet, you could take the car and make sure it isnt in her name when she turns 18. Also, I do believe that as long as she is under your roof, she does have to follow the rules.
If it isn't something drastic, then I think you let her fall on her face and learn from it.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 4, 2014 4:10:05 GMT
I know we are going to make it through the teen years just fine with our first, but the second one keeps us on our toes. He is more curious and willing to/interested in testing boundaries, but overall is a great kid, has goals and is doing just fine in school. But we can't relax our guard with him at all. Bottom line, what your DD is doing at this age has very little to do with you and doesn't make you a bad parent. My sis left school 3 weeks after her 18th birthday to travel in Europe for 6 months. She had the money and my parents were devastated, but could do nothing to stop her. She had enough credits to graduate, but didn't officially do anything with the school, she just left. When she came back she had to deal with getting her status changed from "drop out" to "graduated". Fast forward a few years and she is a very successful lawyer. In fact, she got into law school with only 3 years of undergrad and used her first year law credits to finish her Bachelor degree. I like uksue's triangle analogy and you have given your DD a good foundation. The biggest concern I would have at this point is any impact of her behavior on your younger child. I'm not sure you can "punish" her, but you can set ground rules for living in your house and enforce the consequences for breaking the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 4:15:03 GMT
It has been my personal experience that some of the most intelligent people make some of the stupidest mistakes. The smarter they are, the less common sense they possess. YMMV
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Post by eebud on Nov 4, 2014 4:17:19 GMT
One thing that I tried to teach my DS was that HE was responsible for his actions........not me, not any of his friends, not anyone else. As a parent, you do the best you can with what you know at the time. The kid has to take responsibility.
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Post by LeaP on Nov 4, 2014 4:24:32 GMT
Sometimes, very frequently for a teen, the brain is in the "off" position. That's all I've got. I hope, for your sake, the "on" position kicks in.
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Post by DinCA on Nov 4, 2014 4:41:25 GMT
THE hardest part of parenting is knowing you have done your best to give them good solid guidance for a good life then letting them go do what they will with it. For some they have to experience the bad in order to appreciate what they were taught in the first place. The longer you try to keep them from it the harder the fall is going to be eventually. I don't believe "brain maturation" is as biologically driven as some think but the brain actually matured by experiences (we understand this in early childhood development that kids need certain experiences in order for the brain to develop those pathways but we don't expect this with older teens. We try to avoid the experiences until after the brain develops which has oddly pushed the age of brain development into older and older ages) Face her with the reality of what the consequences are for her actions. But don't punish for it unless it is illegal. Great perspective! Both of my kids had to learn the hard way, unfortunately. I have felt the way you're feeling. Take comfort in knowing that you've done the best you could have. If you didn't really care, you wouldn't be feeling awful about it. And, yes, you have to confront her about it. She's still 17. And even though she'll be 18 soon, in my opinion, parenting doesn't stop just because she'll be an adult legally, especially if she's living under your roof.
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Post by sunnyd on Nov 4, 2014 4:48:23 GMT
No advice but wanted to let you know you're not alone. I've BTDT & yes I felt like a failure. I also thought, "oh shit, if she thought THAT was ok, I can't let her out of the house for fear of what OTHER common sense thing I failed to teach her."
We were heartbroken too but luckily it didn't screw up her future, just her summer. At some point they have to deal with the consequences of their actions & figure it out on their own. Being a mom is HARD!! Hugs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 4:54:11 GMT
I just got a phone call from a 19 year old at the airport in Japan. Said young man was absolutely beside himself because his suitcase was overweight and he would have to pay for the extra kilograms. I talked to the father who explained to me in Japanese what the problem was (now I know what was going on in 2 languages) and still failed to see the problem. The young man was absolutely beside himself for this relatively minor problem. He would have to pay what an extra $50 (5000 yen) for the weight. This isn't the same scale as what you are going through, but my point is their brains aren't fully developed yet. He is an articulate person but not finished growing by any means yet. Just as your child isn't finished developing either. Hugs to you. It does get better. 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 4:59:40 GMT
I struggle with this DAILY! There isn't a day that I don't play "what did I do wrong" with my oldest. People tell me it wasn't me ( and I know they are 90% right) but I still feel guilt, failure and remourse because of the choices he has made.
Hugs to you....parenting teenagers is harder than infants (in my opinon)
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Post by workingclassdog on Nov 4, 2014 5:34:02 GMT
Thanks everyone for sound advice... everyone of you gave me something to think about and I appreciate it. I am going to wait until the right moment, hopefully, tomorrow or the next day and confront her about what I found out. Tell her what I think and tell her she will have to live with the consequences if it would come to that. She follows most rules (as any teen she pushes it) but on the other hand she is great in helping me with younger dd (I know for a fact younger dd would know nothing of her shenanigans) and doing good in school/work. Soooo comes down to it.. I am thinking a good talking to (once again) and let her figure it out. Uggggg again... Thanks again and now I am off to sleep.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 4, 2014 5:39:38 GMT
It has been my personal experience that some of the most intelligent people make some of the stupidest mistakes. The smarter they are, the less common sense they possess. YMMV Fast forward 5 years and she will be as different again in all likelihood.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Nov 4, 2014 6:10:54 GMT
Parenting is hard. It gets harder as they get older. Mine are boys ages 21 & 15. Both still at home. With the older one I've had to back off and let him make his own choices. So far, nothing major has come up, but I know that there will be a day.
Around the age of 16 or 17 I found that the role as parent evolved into that more of a counselor/coach. It's a fine line that we have to walk as parents because we don't want to lay down the law so harshly that they rebel and completely shut us out.
Make sure that above all she knows that you love her and support her in what ever decisions she makes. Teenagers don't look ahead. They leap and then they look and wonder how they ended up where they did.
She's probably not seeing the choices that she's making from the same perspective that you have. I think I'd sit down with her and try to discuss it in a non-judgmental way. I know that it will be hard. But you don't want to create an adversarial relationship with her.
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Post by gar on Nov 4, 2014 7:25:21 GMT
Sometimes they just have to try things for themselves even if you have told them X and Y are not good ideas. Logically they know you're right but they're unthinkingly determined to be independent and to find out for themselves. Sometimes they're just wired that way. You have raised them to think independently and so they are - so they're not just going to take your word for the fact that when you do X the consequences are Y, they're checking to make sure you're right by doing it themselves  Uksue said it well - as long as the basis of a great upbringing is there......she'll come good I'm sure.
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Post by mountaingirl on Nov 4, 2014 10:06:55 GMT
Yep, I'm there with you. At this point, I too am here just trying to guide him the best I can.
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Post by julieinmd on Nov 4, 2014 10:45:46 GMT
I hope you won't be too hard on yourself. It sounds like many people here share your experience. One of my children caused me grief and tears for many things he did. I kept searching for a reason for his behavior but there really wasn't one connected to things I had or had not done. He had a stable childhood, lots of loving support from myself, my husband, and other relatives, and he also had many advantages that some children don't have. None of that made a difference when he got tangled up with some friends who made terrible choices. He got sucked right in and there was no pulling him back. We let him know we didn't approve of what he was doing, and let him face the very unpleasant consequences of his actions. I think that was key. We didn't bail him out of the trouble he created even when it broke my heart not to do so. When he finally decided to get his life back on track (which was very difficult for him) we set down some guidelines, gave him support, and he turned out to be quite a wonderful young man that we are very proud to call our son. I think my key point here is that you should not blame yourself. Nothing good can come from that. Be firm, be patient, and don't give up hope that all will be well in the end.
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Post by christine58 on Nov 4, 2014 11:39:15 GMT
If it is something illegal...call her on it. Is it something that might cause her some harm with her plans for the Air Force??? 18 or not---(never ever have understood that mentality among some posters here about being an adult 18 and living at home and parents not wanting to call that 18 or older on what they've done or how they have disrespected the home and rules) she lives in YOUR house...YOUR rules.
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Post by jackie on Nov 4, 2014 12:34:57 GMT
I can very much relate. I have a 24 year old, an 18 year old, and a 15 year old. Some of the things I've had to face over the last few years are things I would never have imagined dealing with. I was raised by great parents who loved me and did their best, but they were sort of hands-off parents. I kind of ran a little wild. And even though I would overall describe myself as a good and smart kid, I DEFINITELY did more than my kids have done. I wanted to be a different parent. I loved my kids, but I also very much kept up on what was going on in their lives. We do so much as a family. I've made sure I gave my kids lots of wonderful and loving experiences. I listened to them. I thought I was a good role model. I accepted them and encouraged them. When they were younger they were so easy! They worked hard at school and were polite and loving and good. I truly thought I was going to be one of those parents who escaped teenagedom completely unscathed. I really did. I won't go into details either, but suffice to say, I have not. I've had to face things that have have shocked me and sometimes broken my heart.
All I can say is that I keep in mind that I love them wholly and unconditionally. They love me too. And I know they are good people. I know they are struggling and trying to make their way into adulthood and it's not easy. I am confident they will come out on the other side as good, strong, productive adults. But getting them there--it's a bumpy road. Just keep loving and supporting them, be tough when you need to, but always let them know they're loved. That's really all we can do. Part of the problem I think is that my mom just let me go and trusted I would come out fine on the other hand, which I did. Plus I think she was more naive than I am. She did not have a CLUE about half of what I did. I don't just sit back and trust--I actually look into what's going on. My nosiness has probably made me aware of things that other parents aren't aware of about their kids.
Anyway, good luck mom. You'll all get through this. Stay strong!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 13:18:27 GMT
If it is something illegal...call her on it. Is it something that might cause her some harm with her plans for the Air Force??? 18 or not---(never ever have understood that mentality among some posters here about being an adult 18 and living at home and parents not wanting to call that 18 or older on what they've done or how they have disrespected the home and rules) she lives in YOUR house...YOUR rules. I've never disagreed with "your house your rules" BUT there are consequences for parents who take a hard line once the teen hits 18. The teen **can** leave home and the police won't go looking for them. They do have tenants rights and some of mom's rules may not be enforceable on the 18 year old any more than they would be enforceable on a random stranger you rented the room to. That 18th birthday opens them to a host of legal positions that were not previously part of the parent/child relationship but are after that birthday. It is a reality that shouldn't be ignored. At 18 they can walk out the door and never speak to you again or you may be facing a lawyer telling you the law doesn't support your rules for the person.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2014 13:33:50 GMT
Parenting older teens is an exercise in patience, and in re-thinking how you parent. To me, they are like giant toddlers in adult bodies.
My older boy made some crappy choices. What kept me from losing my mind was remembering myself at that age and realizing all the wild child behavior I participated in. It helped me put reasonable consequences in place rather than go old school lock down on him...which at 18 and still in high school, just doesn't work. Sure the boy still lived here, and the bills were paid for him, but at 18 he was an adult and as such had much more freedom. It is a thin line to walk, between parenting expectations and his legal adultness.
There is good news - I was that wild child. Some of my decisions and choices back in those days would probably make your head spin. But because I had good parenting, I did grow out of it. I managed to get a college degree and become a functioning member of society and all that wildness helped shaped who I am now.
Best I can tell you is try not to control the outcome. Talk, talk and talk some more, but the tighter you pull the reins, the less likely you are to be listened to. I have been reading lately that the military is really tightening up on who they allow in now, and what would have been overlooked even 5 years ago isn't anymore. One statistic I read yesterday was that the Army is predicting that only 3 out of 10 potential recruits is going to make it based on things like weight, test scores and background (which includes drug use and arrest records.) I would take some time to talk to her about her behavior has the potential to derail her desires to join the Air Force...find some articles to back it up so it isn't just coming from you...
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Post by caro on Nov 4, 2014 13:37:03 GMT
Unfortunately there really is nothing you can do at this point. You've taught her what you think is right and wrong but it's time for her to choose for herself what she believes. All you can do is love her because no matter what choices or paths she takes in life, she'll always be your baby. [br This is so true. I would talk to her calmly (hard to do but needed) and ask her what her reasons are for doing what she's doing. Is it peer pressure? Better she learns how to deal with it now than next year when she goes to college.
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Post by peasful1 on Nov 4, 2014 15:50:44 GMT
Well, it's hard to give advice, I have no idea what's going on. Sometimes smart people do dumb things. Sometimes booksmart people aren't street smart and they need more help in that arena.
I think sometimes as parents, though, we haven't given our kids enough room to spread their wings when the stakes are low. I see that more and more today. We monitor their every move, we control their worlds, what they eat, wear, do, experience and when. Then, we magically think they'll magically wake up on their 17 or 18th birthday, and just know what to do and how to deal in this great big world without messing up. That just isn't going to happen.
Can't really say if this is a parental flub or not. It could be, might not be. Who knows. But I would examine what's going on very carefully, help her figure out how to navigate it, guide her and let her deal with the consequences. That is life.
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