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Post by MichyM on Sept 16, 2020 17:37:11 GMT
Has this been discussed? Seven people who had absolutely nothing to do with the wedding are dead. A direct result of ONE wedding. It is heartbreaking: A wedding in Maine is linked to 176 Covid-19 cases and the deaths of seven people who didn't attend the celebration -- showing just how easily and quickly coronavirus can spread at social gatherings, public health experts say.
For months, doctors have stressed the importance of wearing masks, social distancing, and avoiding large gatherings.
But outbreaks have stemmed from Memorial Day events, Fourth of July celebrations and a massive motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota.
The wedding in Millinocket on August 7 had about 65 guests, a violation of the state's 50-person limit for indoor events, the Maine Center for Disease Control and Prevention said.
The event is linked to outbreaks that have unfolded at a nursing home and a jail, both more than 100 miles away from the wedding venue, among people who had only secondary or tertiary contact with an attendee. Residents at Maplecrest Rehabilitation and Living Center accounted for 39 cases tied to the wedding and six of the seven deaths thus far, Maine CDC Director Dr. Nirav D. Shah said. "The virus favors gatherings," Shah added. "It does not distinguish between happy events like a wedding celebration, or sad farewells, like a funeral."
Scroll almost halfway down the page: www.cnn.com/2020/09/16/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.htmlPLEASE PEAS: As difficult as it may be, please just say no to social gatherings. There are a lot of innocent lives counting on you.
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Post by lisae on Sept 16, 2020 17:43:42 GMT
I read about this a few days ago. The case count has certainly gone up. It must be frustrating to not have your dream wedding but it is damn sure frustrating to visit your parent in a facility through the window and hear her plead "why can't you come in?" And with all these facilities do to try to stop the virus from coming in, it will get in through employees and vendors.
The only way to stop it is for EVERYONE to do their part. There are plenty of ways to get married without endangering the lives of others.
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Post by craftykitten on Sept 16, 2020 17:49:12 GMT
I think the thread about 53 cases from one wedding is the same one? The numbers just go up and up. Absolutely devastating. I cannot imagine the horror I would feel if an event I held caused this kind of devastation. Well, I can, that's why our wedding is postponed. Horrific.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 16, 2020 18:35:05 GMT
I'm curious....for the family member of one of those who either died or got sick, and weren't at all involved in the wedding, is there any recourse? Especially since the wedding exceededed the local regulation for number of people at a gathering. I think the bride and groom are ultimately responsible, and I think a hefty monetary fine/or a settlement might help people think twice about hosting larger than allowed gatherings right now. Am I completely off base?
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 16, 2020 18:38:03 GMT
A good friends husband died 2 weeks ago (here in Washington State). He was a well loved man. She decided she wasn't going to stop anyone from coming to the funeral, and then hosted a "small" family and close friends gathering afterwards.
I was really disappointed. I didn't go. I knew that if she wasn't going to limit it, it was going to be a free for all because he was friends with EVERYONE. The funeral was last week and honestly, I'm just waiting to see a news line about a funeral in Washington State. It makes me sad. I have friends that did go and said they wished they had made the same decision I had.
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Post by nlwilkins on Sept 16, 2020 18:48:07 GMT
I'm curious....for the family member of one of those who either died or got sick, and weren't at all involved in the wedding, is there any recourse? Especially since the wedding exceededed the local regulation for number of people at a gathering. I think the bride and groom are ultimately responsible, and I think a hefty monetary fine/or a settlement might help people think twice about hosting larger than allowed gatherings right now. Am I completely off base?
This Until people are held accountable for their actions, nothing will change. There will still be people holding gatherings and still be people attending them. It should be a fine for everyone attending the gathering and a larger fine for the person holding the gathering, PLUS a fine for the business or church allowing it to happen on their premises.
A lot of people made poor decisions when attending that wedding. Then they continued to make poor decisions by not isolating themselves for two weeks after attending. You get fined for driving while intoxicated so why not fined for something as equally serious?
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Post by scorpeao on Sept 16, 2020 18:51:45 GMT
I'm assuming that people who would have an indoor gathering without physically distancing during a pandemic are the same ones who like to say "but did they have an underlying condition" as a way of implying that the death isn't that tragic thereby absolving themselves of any wrong doing.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 16, 2020 19:03:57 GMT
The pastor of the church is STILL holding in-person services.
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Post by peano on Sept 16, 2020 19:08:17 GMT
The pastor of the church is STILL holding in-person services. Defiantly unmasked in-person services.
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Post by craftykitten on Sept 16, 2020 19:08:32 GMT
The pastor of the church is STILL holding in-person services. Surely there is some kind of legal recourse? Here, people are being fined for organising events that break the (admittedly ever-changing) rules.
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Post by jamielynn on Sept 16, 2020 19:09:33 GMT
I think for me the shocking part is ... we are still shocked by this.
People keep having events. People keep attending events. People keep spreading Covid. People unassociated keep dying. Just like they said in March.
It’s so sad and my only word for it is selfish. Selfish to have your venue open, selfish to have your event, selfish to attend it ...
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Post by MichyM on Sept 16, 2020 19:11:16 GMT
A good friends husband died 2 weeks ago (here in Washington State). He was a well loved man. She decided she wasn't going to stop anyone from coming to the funeral, and then hosted a "small" family and close friends gathering afterwards. I was really disappointed. I didn't go. I knew that if she wasn't going to limit it, it was going to be a free for all because he was friends with EVERYONE. The funeral was last week and honestly, I'm just waiting to see a news line about a funeral in Washington State. It makes me sad. I have friends that did go and said they wished they had made the same decision I had. UGH. I hope everyone stays healthy. And not attending must have been so difficult for you. I'm sorry :/
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Post by MichyM on Sept 16, 2020 19:12:11 GMT
The pastor of the church is STILL holding in-person services. Defiantly unmasked in-person services. OMG. I have no words...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 16, 2020 19:21:23 GMT
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 16, 2020 19:38:57 GMT
I'm curious....for the family member of one of those who either died or got sick, and weren't at all involved in the wedding, is there any recourse? Especially since the wedding exceededed the local regulation for number of people at a gathering. I think the bride and groom are ultimately responsible, and I think a hefty monetary fine/or a settlement might help people think twice about hosting larger than allowed gatherings right now. Am I completely off base? Yes, this and those gender reveal arsonist jerks who set the fire should be prosecuted and spend a long time locked up. The entitlement in this country is destroying it.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 16, 2020 19:52:14 GMT
I'm looking at this from a slightly different angle. There's no doubt the couple should not have exceeded the 50 person limit - but I'm frankly as outraged how TODAY with everything we know, the protocols the nursing home used were not adequate to protect them. One employee has accounted for 5 of the deaths. Now if they'd had 50 vs 62 people on the list would he had made the cut? I don't know and I'm certainly not suggesting that they did nothing wrong. I am absolutely suggesting that we must continue to do more to protect our most vulnerable populations. The case count is not zero, and they must expect that one of their employees will be infected.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Sept 16, 2020 20:32:21 GMT
I'm not shocked. Not even a little.
A friend is getting married in October. Will definitely be exceeding the number of people that are "allowed". Just had her bacholerette party last weekend. Definitely exceeded the number of "allowed" for a gathering. Pictures all over social media with no masks on. Don't know where they were because it's a state mandate to wear masks but no one was wearing one. Said friend is PISSED at me because I rsvp'd no to last weekend and responded "no" to the wedding.
My BFF attended last weekend and is attending the wedding. She's pissed I won't get together with her to do our nails (I do my own dip nails/she wants to learn). At the rate she is going, I probably won't see her until there's a vaccine.
WTF people?!?! I have been abundantly clear as to my stance on this. ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. This shouldn't come as a surprise to either of you. My doctor has advised me to be extremely careful as I have a propensity to get pneumonia, had it in May (non-COVID related) and it took me quite a while to get over it. Both of these people know that and yet they're pissed at me and both sent me texts to let me know how mad they are at me. I DON'T CARE. I need to stay safe for DS as I'm the only parent he has left. Nothing/no one is more important than that. End.of.story. If my "friends" can't understand that then they're not the friends I need in my life.
I girl I work with just had her wedding, 100 people and another girl I work with is having her wedding in November, over 100 people.
People just don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
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Post by georgiapea on Sept 16, 2020 21:11:33 GMT
I find it incredibly selfish to put people at risk like that. Those deaths were caused by the thoughtlessness of 2 people, that bride and groom.
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Post by Lexica on Sept 16, 2020 21:21:09 GMT
I'm curious....for the family member of one of those who either died or got sick, and weren't at all involved in the wedding, is there any recourse? Especially since the wedding exceededed the local regulation for number of people at a gathering. I think the bride and groom are ultimately responsible, and I think a hefty monetary fine/or a settlement might help people think twice about hosting larger than allowed gatherings right now. Am I completely off base? I completely agree with you that there needs to be some sort of repercussion to make people start taking this virus seriously! A fine or possible confinement, not in a jail as there are already too many prisoners and virus cases inside of the jails and they don't need more, but perhaps an ankle bracelet and home confinement? Something to make it clear to these people that they are part of the problem in the spread. I personally would like to see both a stiff fine and mandatory home confinement for the entire household or have the other family members stay elsewhere if they are not exposed. I did read that the location of the reception that allowed the 65 people to attend thought they were following the rules of no more than 50 people per gathering when they allowed the reception to use two separate rooms, having 50 in their large room and the remaining in a smaller room so that they were in compliance. That all sounds good, but surely the guests in the second room are going to mingle with the guests in the main room of 50, right? And I think a gathering of 50 people is way too many anyway. I fear we are going to end up having Covid confinement centers like concentration camps where people with the virus are thrown in and made to stay until they are proven virus free. I keep reading that if everyone wore a mask every single time they were exposed to other people that we could get this virus under control within a few weeks. And because Trump made mask wearing a political thing, we have his supporters refusing to wear one. And there are always those fringe people who won't be made to do anything no matter what it is. I wish we had a president that could make this a federal law to limit the number of Americans that die from this virus.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Sept 16, 2020 21:25:30 GMT
I do not agree with what the bride and groom did at all, but at what point do we look at personal accountability. No one was required to attend the ceremony. Everyone that attended had a choice. They chose to attend. They knew the risks, they ignored the risks or thought there was no risk. This cannot all fall on the bride and groom.
We have not attended several gatherings because we did not want to risk getting sick. It sucked, but we are responsible for us.
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Post by heckofagal on Sept 16, 2020 21:25:35 GMT
My mental health has not been the best lately and I know it is greatly in part due to a family bridal shower I skipped this weekend and family wedding I will be skipping in a few weeks. I am SO sad to be missing these events and I am SO disappointed that these events are still taking place during a pandemic. I heard there were over 400 invited to the wedding, and they expected maybe 200 to RSVP with the pandemic...and I think they ended up with around 275 RSVP. WOW! No limit for indoor events here but large gatherings are 'discouraged'.
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Post by mnmloveli on Sept 16, 2020 22:03:45 GMT
I wonder if the bride & groom feel responsible ? There selfishness caused these deaths. Just awful.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Sept 16, 2020 22:17:19 GMT
I have to agree with smalltowngirlie personal accountability has to come in to play. None of those people were forced to go to that wedding. I am going to San Diego next month to handle some things from my Mom's passing last Nov. Circumstances happened that did not allow for all the legalese to be handled via mail, phone calls etc... My Mom's remains weren't returned to my step dad until January, and I couldn't get back down there in Jan or Feb, then comes Covid and here we are almost a year later and I HAVE to go. My nephew is getting married on the weekend I'm there (I'm there from Thursday to Wednesday with appointments almost every weekday). I haven't decided if I'm going to the wedding. It has been moved from a beautiful bay location to the Bride's Grandma's house, in the desert, outside. Almost all the out of state guests have canceled. There are only about 20 guests attending at this point, all of which are family on either side. The Bride has stated that she and my nephew will not be wearing masks, but leaves mask wearing for everyone else up to the individual. My Stepdad has decided not to go. My sister and nephew will understand if I don't go. It's a very hard decision. I WANT to be there. I haven't seen my family in almost a year. If I don't go, I will only get to see my sister one day of my trip and that will be to do my Mom's Internment which will only include my sister, my stepdad and I, so a day of closure, but a very sad day. I will give it considerable thought before I make my decision.
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Post by FurryP on Sept 16, 2020 22:52:26 GMT
I read about this a few days ago. The case count has certainly gone up. It must be frustrating to not have your dream wedding but it is damn sure frustrating to visit your parent in a facility through the window and hear her plead "why can't you come in?" And with all these facilities do to try to stop the virus from coming in, it will get in through employees and vendors. The only way to stop it is for EVERYONE to do their part. There are plenty of ways to get married without endangering the lives of others. That breaks my heart. I am sorry you have to go through this.
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Post by lisae on Sept 16, 2020 22:56:06 GMT
I read about this a few days ago. The case count has certainly gone up. It must be frustrating to not have your dream wedding but it is damn sure frustrating to visit your parent in a facility through the window and hear her plead "why can't you come in?" And with all these facilities do to try to stop the virus from coming in, it will get in through employees and vendors. The only way to stop it is for EVERYONE to do their part. There are plenty of ways to get married without endangering the lives of others. That breaks my heart. I am sorry you have to go through this. Thank you. We went through this at the nursing home rehab for 7 weeks. Mostly she came to understand then why we couldn't come in. Today was my first window visit with her in memory care and that was her first question. They should be starting porch visits soon which will help. We won't be able to touch but we can be in the same space.
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Post by FurryP on Sept 16, 2020 23:07:25 GMT
I have to agree with smalltowngirlie personal accountability has to come in to play. None of those people were forced to go to that wedding. I am going to San Diego next month to handle some things from my Mom's passing last Nov. Circumstances happened that did not allow for all the legalese to be handled via mail, phone calls etc... My Mom's remains weren't returned to my step dad until January, and I couldn't get back down there in Jan or Feb, then comes Covid and here we are almost a year later and I HAVE to go. My nephew is getting married on the weekend I'm there (I'm there from Thursday to Wednesday with appointments almost every weekday). I haven't decided if I'm going to the wedding. It has been moved from a beautiful bay location to the Bride's Grandma's house, in the desert, outside. Almost all the out of state guests have canceled. There are only about 20 guests attending at this point, all of which are family on either side. The Bride has stated that she and my nephew will not be wearing masks, but leaves mask wearing for everyone else up to the individual. My Stepdad has decided not to go. My sister and nephew will understand if I don't go. It's a very hard decision. I WANT to be there. I haven't seen my family in almost a year. If I don't go, I will only get to see my sister one day of my trip and that will be to do my Mom's Internment which will only include my sister, my stepdad and I, so a day of closure, but a very sad day. I will give it considerable thought before I make my decision. I'm not trying to be mean. I promise. I am just noticing how your post reads to me. There are a lot of I's in there. If you decide to go to the wedding, please also consider doing quarantine for 2 weeks after, because this is not just about you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 23:19:43 GMT
Thanks for posting this. I think that there was another thread on it...........
I've seen it on Rachel's show. It's incredible how it affected innocent people who were staying INSIDE their homes and being careful. All because of stupid, selfish people!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Pastor in this case is another idiot!!
QUESTION: I saw pics of DH's son at a baptism last weekend. Funny, he was complaining to me that he's "had it with things being so limited. It's BORING!!!" (He means that he's bored not to travel the world, as usual and post endless social media pics. No hate there, just disbelief that somehow his minimum paying job can allow him to travel the world with his fiance, usually go VIP everywhere, hire private planes, etc...... show pics smoking the best cigars and drinking the best champagne...)
He was at his high school friend's baptism celebration for her first baby. Fine. I'm happy for her, HOWEVER, I had no idea that NJ was even allowing huge gatherings!! She had close to 75-100 people at this party, in a huge tent at her parent's estate. So, it's pretty much all closed in (there were fans there....) and people were shoulder to shoulder, NO MASKS!!!!!!!!! WTF? Seemed pretty reckless. And if that's living a "boring life", I don't know what's wrong with some people!!!!!!
These people have no idea how their partying choices could affect hundreds of other innocent people!!!!
(AGAIN, IF ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT NJ'S COVID RULES, I'D LOVE TO KNOW!!!!)
ETA: jlynnbarth I'm so sorry (again) about your mom. Hugs!!
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 16, 2020 23:29:52 GMT
I have to agree with smalltowngirlie personal accountability has to come in to play. None of those people were forced to go to that wedding. The deaths weren't among the attendees. It's other people they got sick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 23:33:23 GMT
My mental health has not been the best lately and I know it is greatly in part due to a family bridal shower I skipped this weekend and family wedding I will be skipping in a few weeks. I am SO sad to be missing these events and I am SO disappointed that these events are still taking place during a pandemic. I heard there were over 400 invited to the wedding, and they expected maybe 200 to RSVP with the pandemic...and I think they ended up with around 275 RSVP. WOW! No limit for indoor events here but large gatherings are 'discouraged'.
2. I'm so sorry that you're feeling "down" about missing social occasions. I FULLY know how you feel and it stinks!!! Since DH and I moved down to FL, we've missed out on years of huge family gatherings, holidays, celebrations, etc (in NY). Medical issues and financial issues made it mostly impossible for us to make it up to NY. My family usually Facetimes or tries to include me, but my heart breaks not to be there. I wasn't physically there to help and to be there when my dad passed away a few years ago. I'm blessed enough to have seen him while he was still coherent, and then went for the funeral, but I wasn't there to help out or to be there for him and it sucks.
All I could tell you is to hand in there and that maybe there's a way for them to somehow include you, even though you're not physically there??? I know it's not the same but it does bring some comfort. Hugs to you!
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Post by Bitchy Rich on Sept 17, 2020 1:06:16 GMT
The deaths weren't among the attendees. It's other people they got sick. I think she meant those invited guests made the decision to attend an wedding and not wear masks, and they then spread it to people they know. The bride and groom don't solely bear all the responsibility for getting so many people sick. Just because someone invites me somewhere increasing my risk doesn't mean I have to go.
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