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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 15:04:04 GMT
I had this on the catch all thread but in reading it I decided it should have its own thread.
And here’s why. In his column Waldman points out what WILL happen when trump picks RBG’s replacement. And unless a miracle happens trump WILL put another Justice on the Supreme Court.
And it didn’t have to be this way. Hillary Clinton could have placed three Justices on the court that would have meant an agenda actually helping people would have been safe from what is about to happen when trump puts another Justice on the court.
To be clearer, goodbye to anything remotely resembling a progressive agenda.
As a reminder why we didn’t need to be at this point.
BunkerBoy boy won by roughly 77,000 votes spread across three states. More voters in each of these states voted for the third party candidate Jill Stein then trump won by. We know some Bernie Bros didn’t vote. We know some who came out to vote for President Obama stayed home in 2016. In fact just shy of 50% of registered voters stayed home.
And now we are about to pay a heavy price because of these “short sighted” voters.
Paul Waldman...
”Did Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death make you not just sad but angry? Good. Now take that anger and use it to force Democrats to close the ruthlessness gap:”
From his column in The American Prospect...
“Democrats, Republicans, and the Ruthlessness Gap”
The Supreme Court fight should leave Democrats considering power, and how they must wield it.
When you heard last Friday that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died, you were probably shocked, saddened, perhaps even despairing.
Now you should get angry.
President Trump has the constitutional power to appoint a successor to fill Ginsburg’s seat, and Republicans in the Senate have the power to confirm that choice, whether it’s two months or two days before the election—or even afterward, in a lame-duck session before the next Congress is seated. There are complicated calculations being made right now by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to decide whether doing so would be the cleverest political strategy for him and his party, but all the talk about whether it would be wrong is mostly just noise. This is a moment when power is at stake, and little else matters.
Unfortunately, power is something Democrats in Washington think far too little about. Without exception, every argument Republicans make for why it’s appropriate to fill this seat right now is unadulterated baloney (or “pure applesauce,” as Antonin Scalia would say), because they’re meant to cover for the truth: “We can, so we will.”
That has been the principle that has guided the GOP for the last two decades: If there’s a way to seize and hold power, you take it. If you can change procedural rules in Congress in a way that works to your advantage, you do it. If you can find ways to suppress the votes of the other party, you use them. You employ whatever means are available to pursue your goals and kneecap your opponents. Only the weak worry about norms or propriety or precedent or whether they’ll be the target of a strongly-worded editorial in the Washington Post.
Over this period, dating back to the Florida 2000 debacle, with a momentary exception here or there, the ruthlessness gap between the two parties has widened to a chasm. As I’ve often said, Republicans are the party of “Yes, we can” while Democrats are the party of “Maybe we shouldn’t.”
That has seldom been more clear than it is right now. Should the Senate confirm whichever 40-something far-right Federalist Society judge Donald Trump picks, it will mean that conservatives will enjoy a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court despite the fact that they lost the popular vote in six out of the last seven presidential elections.
That majority will be used to reinforce this age of minority rule, in which Republicans enjoy the support of far fewer Americans than Democrats and pursue a remarkably unpopular agenda, but nonetheless control most of the country’s key centers of power.
Does that make you angry? It should. And it should make you want to do something about it.
But if you really want to get ticked off, think about what this new conservative Supreme Court—one so conservative that depending on how you measure it, Brett Kavanaugh will sit at its ideological midpoint—is likely to do.
The first case that comes to everyone’s mind is Roe v. Wade, which the court will either overrule outright or render meaningless by gutting the “undue burden” standard established in the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey case, which would allow states to regulate abortion providers out of business and thereby make it impossible to get an abortion even if technically you were legally entitled to one.
But that’s just the beginning. Of late, Chief Justice John Roberts has been a voice of restraint on the court, stepping in to vote with the liberals when he finds it necessary to save the GOP from itself. With five other conservatives in place, he will no longer have the ability to do so.
So will the Affordable Care Act be struck down in its entirety, as the Trump administration and Republican states demand in a case the court will hear after the election, stripping 20 million Americans of their coverage and throwing the entire American health care system into chaos? You bet. There will be assaults on voting rights (one area where Roberts will enthusiastically vote with the other conservatives), which will likely include striking down nonpartisan redistricting commissions as unconstitutional. The entire structure of campaign finance regulation could be dismantled. Environmental laws will be struck down. There will be rulings enabling discrimination against LGBTQ Americans in the name of “religious liberty,” aka special rights for conservative Christians. Corporations and wealthy people will have their every desire confirmed; those without power will find sympathetic ears only in an ineffectual court minority.
That’s not all. Imagine Biden is elected and Democrats take the Senate, then they pass a series of ambitious laws expanding access to health care, enhancing workers’ rights, taking action on climate change, and following through on the rest of the agenda Biden ran on.
And then the Supreme Court strikes down every one.
Or worse, think about what would happen if Donald Trump is reelected. Stephen Breyer is 82 years old. What if he retires or falls ill some time in the next four years? Conservatives would have a 7-2 majority on the court. They would shape our laws and shore up Republicans’ hold on power for decades.
If that prospect makes you angry and afraid, it should spur you toward action, not just in this election but beyond. The appropriate response to this moment of peril is for Democrats to focus on power in the same way Republicans do: acquiring it and using it to solidify their hold on it at the same time as they wield it to advance their substantive agenda.
To be clear, that doesn’t mean being unethical—not at all—but it does mean being ruthless and unashamed. For instance, if Biden does win and Democrats take control of the Senate, they should immediately eliminate the filibuster, then pass bills to give statehood to the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico. Not only would it be the right thing to do, it would likely mean four more Democratic senators, which would at least begin to address the fundamental tilt that gives Republicans an unfair advantage in the Senate, where far more Americans vote for Democratic senators yet Republicans hold a majority.
And it means that if Donald Trump sees his pick for the court seated and then loses, Democrats should increase the number of Supreme Court seats and allow Joe Biden to fill them.
To any or all of these moves, Republicans will cry “Unfair! Power grab!”, and pundits will agree. To which Democrats should reply, “Too bad.”
You might ask whether nurturing your anger and pushing your representatives to become more ruthless is the best way to honor the legacy of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who devoted her life to increasing the quantity and quality of justice in the world. But justice sometimes requires the right argument spoken in a quiet but firm voice, and sometimes it requires understanding how to get power and what to do with it. That’s where Democrats have so often fallen short—which helps explain the position they’re now in. If they want it to change, they’re going to do something different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 15:57:29 GMT
EJ Dionne - Washington Post..
”The Supreme Court struggle is about democracy”
The battle over the Supreme Court seat opened by the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is not about “partisanship,” or even Republican hypocrisy, although the GOP has displayed bad faith in abundance. It is, finally, a struggle over whether our constitutional republic will also be democratic.
Allowing President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to complete a judicial coup and install a 6-to-3 conservative majority will be, in both form and substance, a triumph for anti-democratic forces and anti-democratic thinking.
This is why we must reject the fake moderation of those who pretend that both sides in this fight are equally partisan, equally stubborn and equally at fault. No. It’s the American Right that has been willing to abuse power again and again to achieve its goal of imposing a radical approach to jurisprudence that would undercut democracy itself.
There is no liberal analogue to the Shelby County and Citizens United decisions, which changed the rules of the game in anti-democratic ways; no liberal analogue to the Merrick Garland blockade; and no liberal analogue to the lawlessness of Bush v. Gore.
So let’s understand how the words “court-packing” should be used. The real court-packers are McConnell, Trump and conservatives who draw inspiration from what some of them call a “Constitution in exile.” L They are expressing nostalgia for the glory days of pre-New Deal judging that gave us separate-but-equal rulings on civil rights and eviscerated the ability of the democratically elected branches of government to protect workers, consumers and the environment.
If the court-packers succeed in forcing another conservative onto the court regardless of the outcome of the 2020 election, enlarging the court would be a democratic necessity, not payback.
It would be the only way to fight efforts to wreck unions, gut voting rights, tie the hands of regulators and empower plutocrats by voiding laws limiting money’s role in politics.
Oh, wait, that list enumerates what conservatives have already done with just five votes on the court. Imagine the damage they could do with a sixth.
Former vice president Joe Biden is right to focus this battle on the Affordable Care Act and thus the future of health insurance for at least 20 million Americans, along with preexisting conditions protections for many more.
If you want to know what the misnamed “conservative” legal radicals have in store for us, go no further than their continuing litigation against Obamacare. The right already lost once before the Supreme Court. It lost the fight to repeal the ACA in Congress. It lost it again when the voters used the 2018 midterm elections to reject politicians who wanted to cast the health-care law aside.
But the let-them-use-emergency-rooms conservatives refused to accept the outcome of democratic argument, deliberation — and voting. They are now trying to use the courts to void democracy’s writ and flout the wishes of the electorate. This is our future if we refuse to see conservative court-packing and conservative judicial activism for what they are.
Ginsburg’s powerful dissents on behalf of democracy should be on our minds as we resist the Trump-McConnell juggernaut. When five conservative justices undermined the Voting Rights Act in the 2013 Shelby County decision, she wrote that “a governing political coalition has an incentive to prevent changes in the existing balance of voting power.”
Yes, conservatives are trying to lock in minority rule — through the courts, through restrictions on voting and through their temporary majority in the structurally undemocratic Senate — to protect themselves against the will of future majorities in an increasingly diverse country.
Ginsburg also wrote a remarkable dissent in Bush v. Gore, taking five conservative justices to task for ignoring their own long-standing deference to states’ rights to stop recounts in Florida in the 2000 election between George W. Bush and Al Gore.
We should not forget how willing the right has been to use all the instruments at its disposal to perpetuate its hold on power. Five conservative justices effectively made Bush president, and the loser of the popular vote went on to appoint two conservatives to the court. Now, Trump, the loser of the popular vote in 2016, claims a mandate to appoint his third justice.
If Trump succeeds with this pre-election gambit, a majority of the court — a court with lifetime appointees from whose decisions there is little recourse — will have been named by presidents who first reached office without winning the most votes.
And we claim to be a beacon of democracy?
Yes, the whole GOP — not just McConnell — must be challenged for double standards and double talking. Maybe a handful of Senate Republicans will understand that barreling forward will further undercut the already tenuous legitimacy of the court and the Senate alike.
But let’s be clear about the terms of the contest: Only one side is standing up for democracy.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 21, 2020 16:11:24 GMT
Absolutely terrifying!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 16:17:31 GMT
I think this belongs here as well.
From ABC News..
”DOJ targets funding to New York, Portland and Seattle as jurisdictions ‘permitting violence'
Any order to cut federal funding would almost certainly be challenged in court.
ByAlexander Mallin
Attorney General William Barr has singled out New York City, Portland and Seattle as jurisdictions that he determined permit “violence and destruction of property" and should lose federal funding as a result, the Justice Department said Monday.
“We cannot allow federal tax dollars to be wasted when the safety of the citizenry hangs in the balance,” Barr said in a statement Monday announcing the targeted cities. “It is my hope that the cities identified by the Department of Justice today will reverse course and become serious about performing the basic function of government and start protecting their own citizens.”
Barr's announcement follows up on a legally dubious memorandum issued by President Trump earlier this month, in which he demanded Barr and the Office of Management and Budget to identify cities and states whose leaders " have contributed to the violence and destruction in their jurisdictions by failing to enforce the law, disempowering and significantly defunding their police departments, and refusing to accept offers of Federal law enforcement assistance."
Democrats described president's announcement as nakedly political and local leaders threatened to immediately sue the administration should it look to move forward with stripping federal funds.
The Justice Department is already engaged in court battles regarding the Trump administration's ongoing effort to cut federal funding from so-called 'sanctuary cities' that have refused to share information with federal immigration authorities.
While the three cities identified by Barr indeed experienced a range of violence, rioting and looting in the months following George Floyd's death at the hands of Minneapolis police in May, the unrest has largely abated in recent weeks even as Trump has increasingly sought to highlight images of violence and burning buildings to bolster his presidential campaign.
Barr has similarly made the issue one of his top priorities, leveling fiery attacks against local officials in the three cities while threatening direct intervention in cases where federal property or officials are endangered.
Last week, the Justice Department confirmed that officials researched the possibility of bringing criminal or civil rights charges against Portland city officials related to their response to growing unrest in the city throughout the summer.
The department has also encouraged U.S. attorneys around the country to consider charging rioters who carry out attacks against federal officials or property with sedition -- attempted violent overthrow of the U.S. government.
In a memo last week, Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen said the rarely-used seditious conspiracy statute should be considered in instances, for instance, "where a group has conspired to take a federal courthouse or other federal property by force."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 16:59:08 GMT
And here is yet another consequence of the 2016 election.
Yamiche Alcindor
“CDC removes statement on airborne virus transmission, claiming website error. The agency had posted information new guidelines suggesting the virus can transmit over a distance larger than 6 feet and that indoor ventilation is key to protection against it.”
We know trump wants this virus to “go away” or at least make people believe it will all on its own.
The last thing trump wants is to “panic” people by telling them the real possibility that as it gets colder and force people indoors a serious second wave of the virus could hit and continue to kill thousands of Americans.
But then we already know trump is a fan of herd “mentality” aka herd immunity which could lead to the deaths of not just hundreds of thousands of Americans but a couple of a million Americans.
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Post by Olan on Sept 21, 2020 17:01:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 17:26:33 GMT
Paul Waldman has a theme going today..
From his Washington Post column.
”Nightmare ahead: Imagine the damage a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court could do”
As President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) prepare to confirm a replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsburg and give conservatives a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court, Democrats risk being pulled into a brier patch of procedural arguments. In fact, they may jump right in, because they’re so convinced they’re right and so frustrated by the bad faith of Republicans.
They need to understand: A long argument about process and rhetoric is just what Republicans want. It’s the only thing that will stop this controversy from making Trump’s defeat in November significantly more likely. Republicans are more than happy to waste time talking about Senate procedures and who said what four years ago, because for them this is about one thing: power. If you have it, you can withstand all the criticism in the world.
Questions of power surround everything Republicans believe and know about the Supreme Court. Holding and enhancing the court’s conservative majority is about guaranteeing the privileges of the powerful and limiting the ability of those with less power — workers, minority groups, poor people — to receive the meaningful protections of the law. It’s about undermining government’s power to address societal problems. And, perhaps most of all, it’s about enabling the GOP to continue to hold political power despite enjoying the support of a minority of Americans.
There is no better evidence than the status of the court itself: Despite the fact that the Republican presidential candidate has won the most votes in only one of the last seven presidential elections, in a matter of weeks the court could have a 6-3 conservative majority. The court has thus become one of the three foundations of Republican minority rule, the others being the electoral college and the Senate, where Wyoming’s 600,000 residents get two Republican senators to match the two Democrats who represent 40 million Californians.
Maintaining that minority rule has been one of McConnell’s most important projects, and the Supreme Court lies at its center. Here’s how it works: Trump becomes president despite losing the popular vote (what in other countries they call “the vote”) to Hillary Clinton; he then appoints justices who solidify the conservative majority on the court; those justices then rule that, for instance, the partisan gerrymandering at which Republicans are so adept is perfectly fine.
That enables Republicans to win even when they lose, as they did in Wisconsin in 2018, where state assembly districts are so brutally gerrymandered that Democratic candidates got substantially more votes overall but Republicans still walked away with nearly two-thirds of the seats.
A newly enhanced conservative court majority will continue to erode voting rights and rubber-stamp GOP voter suppression; before long they’ll probably declare nonpartisan redistricting commissions unconstitutional so Republicans can crank gerrymandering up even higher.
That’s just one of the substantive matters at stake in this argument over the future of the Supreme Court. And that is what Democrats should be talking about: not procedures, not parliamentary maneuvers, not what Republicans said in 2016 about Merrick Garland, but the dire consequences for all of us when the court moves even further to the right.
That means Roe v. Wade, which polls show about two-thirds of Americans want to stay intact. Asked in a 2016 debate with Hillary Clinton whether he wanted to see Roe overturned, Trump predicted that this would happen “automatically,” because he will put “pro-life justices on the court.”
Even more urgently, it means the Affordable Care Act could be struck down, in a case the court is scheduled to hear this fall. If the administration and Republicans succeed, it would mean about 20 million people immediately losing their health coverage and tens of millions more losing protections for preexisting conditions.
Which do you think McConnell would rather talk about: the ACA being struck down, or how many days of floor debate a Supreme Court nominee ought to get?
That’s where Democrats’ focus should be: the threat a far-right Supreme Court poses. That court could take health care from millions, attack abortion rights, continue its war on collective bargaining and workers’ rights, eviscerate campaign finance laws to make it easier for the wealthy to buy elections, roll back environmental protections, and so much more.
Even if Joe Biden is elected and Democrats win the Senate, a conservative Supreme Court could strike down every law they pass as they try to enact the mandate they were given by the voters. That’s the future Americans need to consider.
But isn’t the public on Democrats’ side on the procedural question? Sure. The first round of polling shows a majority of Americans saying Trump should hold off on appointing a successor to Ginsburg.
But polls in 2016 showed that large majorities of the public thought Garland should have been granted a hearing and a vote. And do you know what McConnell would say to that? He’d say, “Who cares?”
That was a debate he was perfectly happy to lose, because he got what he wanted: a Supreme Court seat. Democrats got the satisfaction of knowing they were in the right. In other words, they got nothing.
If they don’t create the pressure necessary for a few Republicans in the Senate to fear what will happen to them if they let this nomination go forward before the next inauguration, Democrats will lose again. And the stakes are far higher this time around.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2020 17:36:15 GMT
Attorney General William Barr has singled out New York City, Portland and Seattle as jurisdictions that he determined permit “violence and destruction of property" and should lose federal funding as a result, the Justice Department said Monday. Note nothing about 'swing' state Minnesota....
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2020 17:37:55 GMT
But then we already know trump is a fan of herd “mentality” aka herd immunity which could lead to the deaths of not just hundreds of thousands of Americans but a couple of a million Americans.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2020 17:41:44 GMT
But polls in 2016 showed that large majorities of the public thought Garland should have been granted a hearing and a vote. And do you know what McConnell would say to that? He’d say, “Who cares?” The majority say now that the elected president, Nov 3rd, should choose the next Justice!
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Sept 21, 2020 18:06:45 GMT
But polls in 2016 showed that large majorities of the public thought Garland should have been granted a hearing and a vote. And do you know what McConnell would say to that? He’d say, “Who cares?” The majority say now that the elected president, Nov 3rd, should choose the next Justice! And Trump, McConnell, and the majority of the GOP will say, "Who cares?" and seat whomever they want between now and 20 Jan 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 13:33:49 GMT
Paul Waldman... ”Excellent piece on why Democrats need to stop assenting to the right-wing fiction that the Supreme Court is anything but a vehicle for them to achieve policy ends most Americans oppose.” Eric Levitz.. ”Judicial review has become a mechanism that enables the American right to implement its wildly unpopular policy program by judicial fiat -- with little public awareness, let alone pushback. From the NY Magazine.. linkIf the McConnell Rule Is Dead, Court-Packing Is Permitted By Eric Levitz@EricLevitz Mitch McConnell leads a political party that believes that Roe v. Wade legalized genocide, that Christian institutions have been placed under siege by LGBT extremists, and that most regulations of the corporate sector are stepping stones on the road to serfdom. Whether these civic ills will turn fatal or dissipate depends largely on the composition of the Supreme Court. Conservatives have little hope of paring back reproductive freedom or restricting trans rights or repealing the Clean Air Act through congressional action. On the contrary, the party proved incapable of even partially repealing Barack Obama’s health-care law when it had unified control of Congress.But federal judges don’t need to worry about alienating voters. And a conservative Supreme Court majority doesn’t need to get a bill through conference committee to kill the Affordable Care Act; it can do so by fiat. Thus, from the conservative perspective, nothing less than the cessation of mass murder, the maintenance of religious liberty, and the preemption of totalitarianism (and/or, social democracy) hinges on control of the high court. In 2016, McConnell’s party controlled the Senate, which gave him the power to block Barack Obama’s proposed replacement for Antonin Scalia. Merrick Garland may have been a relatively moderate choice, but his ascension would nevertheless have cost conservatives’ their hard-won Supreme Court majority. Had Obama proposed a policy that the conservative movement vehemently opposed, no one would expect McConnell to support it. And yet, faced with a Supreme Court appointment that would undermine almost all of the conservative movement’s policy goals, Democrats indignantly demanded that the Senate majority leader put preserving “norms” above ending mass feticide. McConnell refused. Four years later, McConnell’s party still controls the Senate. And now it has the White House too. This gives him the power to approve Donald Trump’s proposed replacement for Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The ascension of another right-wing jurist to the high court would advance almost all of the conservative movement’s ideological aims. And yet, Democrats are indignantly demanding that McConnell sit on his hands, and let the next president — who, according to polls, is very likely to be Joe Biden — handpick Ginsburg’s successor. McConnell has refused. Framed in these terms, there is no contradiction between the Senate majority leader’s position on filling a Supreme Court seat in 2016 and his current one. And the rationale that unites them is also eminently reasonable: To confirm an Obama nominee, or block a Trump one, would be to grossly betray the causes that Mitch McConnell claims to stand for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 14:19:22 GMT
NPR...
”JUST IN: Sen. Mitt Romney announced that he supports voting on a Trump nominee to fill the vacancy on the Supreme Court. That means Mitch McConnell has the support he needs to move forward with the confirmation process.
President Trump plans to announce his nominee on Saturday.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 14:33:26 GMT
Jennifer Wright...
”Imagine if Republicans had moved on COVID as quickly as they're moving to replace RBG.”
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Post by janeliz on Sept 22, 2020 14:33:53 GMT
I haven’t been able to stop thinking about a few of the women here who said they would not consider the future of the Supreme Court when voting in 2016. Roe v. Wade is “settled law”, one of them stated. She stated it again here just recently, in fact. As though overturning Roe v. Wade is the only way a far-right, conservative Court can chip away at my daughters’ reproductive rights.
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Post by Just T on Sept 22, 2020 16:52:33 GMT
NPR... ”JUST IN: Sen. Mitt Romney announced that he supports voting on a Trump nominee to fill the vacancy on the Supreme Court. That means Mitch McConnell has the support he needs to move forward with the confirmation process. President Trump plans to announce his nominee on Saturday.” F*cker. All of them are lying, hypocritical f*ckers. I don't know how they can sleep at night, or how anyone who supports them, who supported them when they refused to let Obama appoint a judge, can sleep at night.
Why is no one throwing "You can use my words against me" at Lyin' Lindsay?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 17:05:39 GMT
Ronald Brownstein...
”Rs have won the presidential popular vote once since 1992. R Senators have represented a majority of the population in one session since 1980. And they will cement a six-member court majority that could last well into 2030s? Hard to see how diverse younger generations accept that”
They don’t care. The signs were all there with trump. People talked about the importance of the Supreme Court and many of the “diverse younger generation“ chose to sit out the 2016 election for dumb reasons.
And we all are about to pay a heavy price because of their choice.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 22, 2020 18:43:42 GMT
Bernie bro’s tantrums
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 22, 2020 18:59:37 GMT
Why is no one throwing "You can use my words against me" at Lyin' Lindsay?
He says the times are different! There is a video. Lincoln Project I think!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 22, 2020 20:05:18 GMT
Romney’s statement made my blood boil. I am so frustrated with republicans.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 22, 2020 20:09:14 GMT
Republicans cannot be shamed, and they will probably confirm a justice. If Dems win the Senate and WH, we have to consider statehood for DC and PR-if they want it. It’s ridiculous that DC has not been made a state. I also think that adding SC Justices is worthy of debate.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 22, 2020 20:14:17 GMT
Hey, maybe Cavanaugh has more debt to buy off? Lol
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 22, 2020 23:10:52 GMT
I haven’t been able to stop thinking about a few of the women here who said they would not consider the future of the Supreme Court when voting in 2016. Roe v. Wade is “settled law”, one of them stated. She stated it again here just recently, in fact. As though overturning Roe v. Wade is the only way a far-right, conservative Court can chip away at my daughters’ reproductive rights. It’s not. And it’s not *just* about R v Wade for me, but DACA, ACA and a few other things.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 23, 2020 0:20:11 GMT
And it’s not *just* about R v Wade for me, but DACA, ACA and a few other things. Go back to the dt thread of his rally.... Where he asked women in attendance if their husbands were ok with them being there!
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 23, 2020 0:24:52 GMT
And it’s not *just* about R v Wade for me, but DACA, ACA and a few other things. Go back to the dt thread of his rally.... Where he asked women in attendance if their husbands were ok with them being there! I saw it. And that’s what I meant. It’s much bigger than R v Wade (not to say it is not also important). It potentially affects a whole bunch of protections a whole lot of people depend on.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 23, 2020 0:35:30 GMT
I saw it. And that’s what I meant. It’s much bigger than R v Wade (not to say it is not also important). It potentially affects a whole bunch of protections a whole lot of people depend on. I didn't mean you go look, that was a general whoever needs to go look!
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Post by janeliz on Sept 23, 2020 0:48:47 GMT
I haven’t been able to stop thinking about a few of the women here who said they would not consider the future of the Supreme Court when voting in 2016. Roe v. Wade is “settled law”, one of them stated. She stated it again here just recently, in fact. As though overturning Roe v. Wade is the only way a far-right, conservative Court can chip away at my daughters’ reproductive rights. It’s not. And it’s not *just* about R v Wade for me, but DACA, ACA and a few other things. Absolutely.
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 23, 2020 1:29:19 GMT
I saw it. And that’s what I meant. It’s much bigger than R v Wade (not to say it is not also important). It potentially affects a whole bunch of protections a whole lot of people depend on. I didn't mean you go look, that was a general whoever needs to go look! Oh lol! 🤦🏻♀️😂
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Post by hop2 on Sept 23, 2020 1:38:15 GMT
Go back to the dt thread of his rally.... Where he asked women in attendance if their husbands were ok with them being there! I saw it. And that’s what I meant. It’s much bigger than R v Wade (not to say it is not also important). It potentially affects a whole bunch of protections a whole lot of people depend on. Hey, maybe things like going somewhere without your husbands explicit permission. Like Trump asked women at one of his rallies?
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Post by MissBianca on Sept 23, 2020 2:00:11 GMT
I saw it. And that’s what I meant. It’s much bigger than R v Wade (not to say it is not also important). It potentially affects a whole bunch of protections a whole lot of people depend on. Hey, maybe things like going somewhere without your husbands explicit permission. Like Trump asked women at one of his rallies? We are going to turn into the Middle East. All that work for the last 100 years and republican women are going to help piss it all away.
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