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Post by sam9 on Sept 22, 2020 15:30:43 GMT
You (all of you, not just you) really got me completely srong. I’m not saying it was an unimportant white lie, I’m saying that compared to Biden’s silly lies someone could possibly construe that Trump was lying to protect the people. I don’t think he was and I absolutely could not even guess as to why he lied. But I don’t think that the US government acted that much differently from other countries. There weren’t widespread mask mandates in most places. I’m not saying that he couldn’t have done more, but it is a pandemic and some things were beyond anyones’s control. There were pre existing conditions that favoured the spread of the virus, mainly long term care facilities for the elderly that had less than ideal policies to begin with. This was true for many countries. And people have free will to make their own decisions based on what they see happening around them all over the world. I find it very hard to believe that people in the US acted the way they did because of Trump. Even his supporters. Who would do that? Do people really wait with bated breath every day for health advice from their leader? I never tuned in to watch Trudeau being nice and concerned for us Canadians or to my province’s premier (who is probably an even bigger ass than Trump, but in different ways). In the end people always want what they want and do what they want to do. Weddings, birthdays, funerals and Sturgis are going to happen. Plus family and friends can’t give you the virus. Personal responsibility and attitude are parts of the story. Are you sure you're not American? Let freedumb ring. Name one dumb thing that I said. |
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 22, 2020 15:34:03 GMT
Are you freaking kidding me? 200,000+ PEOPLE IN THE U.S. HAVE DIED. That is over 33,000 people a month, every month, for SIX MONTHS. Maybe if people would have panicked a little more than they did, if they would have taken this shit as seriously as they should have, tens of thousands of those people wouldn’t have DIED. And because of the other shenanigans that our government has been pulling to do a smoke and mirrors stunt with the numbers and reporting on Covid, it’s very likely way more people than that have perished due to it. I just can’t even with people who think this way. It’s so misguided it isn’t even funny. You (all of you, not just you) really got me completely srong. I’m not saying it was an unimportant white lie, I’m saying that compared to Biden’s silly lies someone could possibly construe that Trump was lying to protect the people. I don’t think he was and I absolutely could not even guess as to why he lied. But I don’t think that the US government acted that much differently from other countries. There weren’t widespread mask mandates in most places. I’m not saying that he couldn’t have done more, but it is a pandemic and some things were beyond anyones’s control. There were pre existing conditions that favoured the spread of the virus, mainly long term care facilities for the elderly that had less than ideal policies to begin with. This was true for many countries. And people have free will to make their own decisions based on what they see happening around them all over the world. I find it very hard to believe that people in the US acted the way they did because of Trump. Even his supporters. Who would do that? Do people really wait with bated breath every day for health advice from their leader? I never tuned in to watch Trudeau being nice and concerned for us Canadians or to my province’s premier (who is probably an even bigger ass than Trump, but in different ways). In the end people always want what they want and do what they want to do. Weddings, birthdays, funerals and Sturgis are going to happen. Plus family and friends can’t give you the virus. Personal responsibility and attitude are parts of the story. Listen. To. The. Tapes. It was a willful (and malicious) choice to lie to the American people. And don’t even try with the “avoiding panic”. He’s absolutely had zero problem trying to incite panic - when it suits him. |
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Post by ntsf on Sept 22, 2020 15:34:19 GMT
dumb thing--people did not wear masks in other countries.. you are wrong. taiwan, south korea, china, new zealand, and other countries had very very strict mask requirements, along with other restrictions.
the leader makes the difference.. and the drumbeat of what you should do. my dd in new zealand could not do more than go to grocery store once a week..people were not allowed out to wander around, go to gatherings or shop. now they are free of restrictions.
we could make it the law to wear masks (with a few exceptions).
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Post by sam9 on Sept 22, 2020 15:40:14 GMT
dumb thing--people did not wear masks in other countries.. you are wrong. taiwan, south korea, china, new zealand, and other countries had very very strict mask requirements, along with other restrictions. the leader makes the difference.. and the drumbeat of what you should do. my dd in new zealand could not do more than go to grocery store once a week..people were not allowed out to wander around, go to gatherings or shop. now they are free of restrictions. we could make it the law to wear masks (with a few exceptions). I didn’t say people didn’t wear masks in other countries, just that they weren’t mandated in that many countries. Many people just made the choice to wear a mask without a mandate being in place, based on medical advice and individual store policies. New Zealand had a fabulous attitude and the fact that they are an island nation certainly helped. Asian countries are used to wearing masks when they are ill. They also have far less long term elderly care facilities, which seem to be more popular in Western, more affluent, countries. |
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Post by sam9 on Sept 22, 2020 15:48:43 GMT
You (all of you, not just you) really got me completely srong. I’m not saying it was an unimportant white lie, I’m saying that compared to Biden’s silly lies someone could possibly construe that Trump was lying to protect the people. I don’t think he was and I absolutely could not even guess as to why he lied. But I don’t think that the US government acted that much differently from other countries. There weren’t widespread mask mandates in most places. I’m not saying that he couldn’t have done more, but it is a pandemic and some things were beyond anyones’s control. There were pre existing conditions that favoured the spread of the virus, mainly long term care facilities for the elderly that had less than ideal policies to begin with. This was true for many countries. And people have free will to make their own decisions based on what they see happening around them all over the world. I find it very hard to believe that people in the US acted the way they did because of Trump. Even his supporters. Who would do that? Do people really wait with bated breath every day for health advice from their leader? I never tuned in to watch Trudeau being nice and concerned for us Canadians or to my province’s premier (who is probably an even bigger ass than Trump, but in different ways). In the end people always want what they want and do what they want to do. Weddings, birthdays, funerals and Sturgis are going to happen. Plus family and friends can’t give you the virus. Personal responsibility and attitude are parts of the story. Listen. To. The. Tapes. It was a willful (and malicious) choice to lie to the American people. And don’t even try with the “avoiding panic”. He’s absolutely had zero problem trying to incite panic - when it suits him. You are not listening to me. I know he lied. I have no doubts about that. I don’t think the lies he told were harmless. I guess no one is understanding me. I should never have brought up the term "white lie". I only did because it was mentioned in the Biden thread in regards to Biden’s lies, which, since they were so utterly pointless and unrequired, I don’t think can be considered to be white lies. I tried to make a point, which I obviously did not succeed in making AT ALL, that Trump’s personal explanation for his REALLY BAD lie would fit the description of a white lie better. That’s it. The End. Never saying another word. |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 22, 2020 15:51:47 GMT
Are you freaking kidding me? 200,000+ PEOPLE IN THE U.S. HAVE DIED. That is over 33,000 people a month, every month, for SIX MONTHS. Maybe if people would have panicked a little more than they did, if they would have taken this shit as seriously as they should have, tens of thousands of those people wouldn’t have DIED. And because of the other shenanigans that our government has been pulling to do a smoke and mirrors stunt with the numbers and reporting on Covid, it’s very likely way more people than that have perished due to it. I just can’t even with people who think this way. It’s so misguided it isn’t even funny. You (all of you, not just you) really got me completely srong. I’m not saying it was an unimportant white lie, I’m saying that compared to Biden’s silly lies someone could possibly construe that Trump was lying to protect the people. I don’t think he was and I absolutely could not even guess as to why he lied. But I don’t think that the US government acted that much differently from other countries. There weren’t widespread mask mandates in most places. I’m not saying that he couldn’t have done more, but it is a pandemic and some things were beyond anyones’s control. There were pre existing conditions that favoured the spread of the virus, mainly long term care facilities for the elderly that had less than ideal policies to begin with. This was true for many countries. And people have free will to make their own decisions based on what they see happening around them all over the world. I find it very hard to believe that people in the US acted the way they did because of Trump. Even his supporters. Who would do that? Do people really wait with bated breath every day for health advice from their leader? I never tuned in to watch Trudeau being nice and concerned for us Canadians or to my province’s premier (who is probably an even bigger ass than Trump, but in different ways). In the end people always want what they want and do what they want to do. Weddings, birthdays, funerals and Sturgis are going to happen. Plus family and friends can’t give you the virus. Personal responsibility and attitude are parts of the story.You asked what you said that would make me use the term "freedumb". I was not calling you dumb, but I do think the term is perfect for this selfish idea that your freedom to go to Sturgis or the bar is more important than someone's life. Many countries issued mask mandates early on (Hong Kong, Singapore, China) and other countries, like Japan, even provided masks to all of their citizens. The death toll in these countries, per capita, is far lower than it is in the US. If you don't think Trump supporters watch him with bated breath, you haven't been paying attention. Trump implied that the virus was a hoax (I don't care how he worded it; his intent was clear) and STILL denies the importance of mask wearing. I don't think many understand exactly how cult like Trump supporters are. Family and friends CAN "give you the virus". And all the "personal responsibility and attitude" in the world won't keep me from being exposed to the virus if someone else won't take the personal responsibility to wear a freaking mask, too. As far as I am aware, attitude has no bearing on whether or not one contracts a virus. |
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Post by Olan on Sept 22, 2020 16:11:30 GMT
Are you sure you're not American? Let freedumb ring. Name one dumb thing that I said. I can see where you are going with your statements even though I disagree The small silly white lies Biden tells vs the ONE big lie meant to not cause panic are things we should be comparing. 45 lies about almost everything so putting him up against ole babbling Joe doesn’t seem fair. I don’t think you are dumb. I do think you are misguided to think that because you are a Canadian you can not or should not weigh in on American politics Additionally leadership does matter. Otherwise why would we have them in place. Americans are dead because 45 is a dumb fuck. I don’t think we would have had Nearly as many deaths if we had effective leadership. |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 22, 2020 17:24:03 GMT
Did I say it was? The lies attributed to Biden on this thread were in regards to 30 years ago. Is this really the best that anti-Biden people have? Can we not talk about the 20,000+ lies Dump Truck has spewed in 4 years. When Bidens lies get to the same caliber and count as Trump, then I'll talk about Bidens lies. None of Bidens lies have led to 200,000+ dead Americans. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 22, 2020 17:25:08 GMT
Candace Owens. She is disgusting. Sued her college for racial discrimination and then made a career out of denying that racial discrimination exists. She has never denied that it exists, that has never been her stance. |
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 22, 2020 17:27:35 GMT
As early as January 2020, Trump was already being warned by national security officials via intelligence briefings that this is a global threat. He instead chose to lie and downplay the severity. As the months progressed, his lies and dubious “cures” became even more outrageous and damaging.
So, no…these were not trivial or harmless lies. These were not lies to spare the public from panic. These were lies to advance his personal and political goals. There’s no doubt we (US) would end up with deaths, but our staggering death toll could have been mitigated if he had not put his own personal goals over and above that of the country.
In times of crisis, the ability of a country to overcome the challenges rests not only on each individual, but more importantly, it rests on the person at the top who is tasked with leadership to unify everyone and defeat the threat. THAT is one of the sworn duties of a US President that Americans MUST EXPECT him to discharge – "I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States" – a responsibility that includes ensuring the well-being of the country and its citizens. That is precisely why he is given plenary powers by the Constitution. Actions taken in bad faith are breaches of that oath.
To absolve him of his colossal failure as a leader by characterizing his COVID lies as “white lies” is not only an insult to the families whose loved ones have died, but equally an insult to Americans who, although are struggling in a country awash in daily lies and corruption, still have the requisite intelligence and sense to figure out what is truly consequential.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 22, 2020 17:37:56 GMT
Did I say it was? The lies attributed to Biden on this thread were in regards to 30 years ago. Is this really the best that anti-Biden people have? Can we not talk about the 20,000+ lies Dump Truck has spewed in 4 years. When Bidens lies get to the same caliber and count as Trump, then I'll talk about Bidens lies. None of Bidens lies have led to 200,000+ dead Americans. You sure made it look like you did by saying "a handful of lies or mistruths from Biden 30+ years ago" as if there were no current lies from Biden. In relation to Biden lying, the amount of Trump's lies has no affect on Biden's lies. It doesn't erase them. No matter what anyone else does, since Biden lies as much as he does, Biden is still a liar. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 17:43:51 GMT
Piece of advice. If you are going to make your point by attaching an article you may want to check out who wrote it first. Especially if you are looking for an objective view. Anyone who hangs out at Fox has a strong right leaning view. Just like those who hang out at MSNBC have a strong left leaning view. She is, like many on Fox News and MSNBC, an opinion contributor. As such her opinion should be taken for what it is, an opinion. “Liz PeekLiz PeekFox News contributorLiz Peek is a Fox News contributor and former partner of major bracket Wall Street firm Wertheim & Company. A former columnist for the Fiscal Times, she writes for The Hill and contributes frequently to Fox News, the New York Sun and other publications. For more visit LizPeek.com. Follow her on Twitter @lizpeek.”Does Biden lie? Yes he does. Sadly all politicians lie. But you expect it and wish they didn’t feel the need. Given the chance I would tell him to knock it off. And you certainly wouldn’t find me standing behind him cheering while he was lying. Having said there is lying and then there is really really really lying like the current President excels at. And those that try to make a comparison between Biden and trump and the amount and subject of the lies look a little silly IMO. There is no comparison. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 22, 2020 18:13:12 GMT
sam9 what is your definition of "white lie"?
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 22, 2020 18:21:55 GMT
Did I say it was? The lies attributed to Biden on this thread were in regards to 30 years ago. Is this really the best that anti-Biden people have? Can we not talk about the 20,000+ lies Dump Truck has spewed in 4 years. When Bidens lies get to the same caliber and count as Trump, then I'll talk about Bidens lies. None of Bidens lies have led to 200,000+ dead Americans. You sure made it look like you did by saying "a handful of lies or mistruths from Biden 30+ years ago" as if there were no current lies from Biden. In relation to Biden lying, the amount of Trump's lies has no affect on Biden's lies. It doesn't erase them. No matter what anyone else does, since Biden lies as much as he does, Biden is still a liar. You are really twisted in knots over this aren't you? Wow. I hope you can find a way to have a better day and let this go. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 22, 2020 18:30:50 GMT
You (all of you, not just you) really got me completely srong. I’m not saying it was an unimportant white lie, I’m saying that compared to Biden’s silly lies someone could possibly construe that Trump was lying to protect the people. I don’t think he was and I absolutely could not even guess as to why he lied. But I don’t think that the US government acted that much differently from other countries. There weren’t widespread mask mandates in most places. I’m not saying that he couldn’t have done more, but it is a pandemic and some things were beyond anyones’s control. There were pre existing conditions that favoured the spread of the virus, mainly long term care facilities for the elderly that had less than ideal policies to begin with. This was true for many countries. And people have free will to make their own decisions based on what they see happening around them all over the world. I find it very hard to believe that people in the US acted the way they did because of Trump. Even his supporters. Who would do that? Do people really wait with bated breath every day for health advice from their leader? I never tuned in to watch Trudeau being nice and concerned for us Canadians or to my province’s premier (who is probably an even bigger ass than Trump, but in different ways). In the end people always want what they want and do what they want to do. Weddings, birthdays, funerals and Sturgis are going to happen. Plus family and friends can’t give you the virus. Personal responsibility and attitude are parts of the story.You asked what you said that would make me use the term "freedumb". I was not calling you dumb, but I do think the term is perfect for this selfish idea that your freedom to go to Sturgis or the bar is more important than someone's life. Many countries issued mask mandates early on (Hong Kong, Singapore, China) and other countries, like Japan, even provided masks to all of their citizens. The death toll in these countries, per capita, is far lower than it is in the US. If you don't think Trump supporters watch him with bated breath, you haven't been paying attention. Trump implied that the virus was a hoax (I don't care how he worded it; his intent was clear) and STILL denies the importance of mask wearing. I don't think many understand exactly how cult like Trump supporters are. Family and friends CAN "give you the virus". And all the "personal responsibility and attitude" in the world won't keep me from being exposed to the virus if someone else won't take the personal responsibility to wear a freaking mask, too. As far as I am aware, attitude has no bearing on whether or not one contracts a virus. Not to mention that trump continues to lie about and downplay the virus. Just the other day he said that it “affects almost nobody”. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 22, 2020 20:48:55 GMT
Piece of advice. If you are going to make your point by attaching an article you may want to check out who wrote it first. Especially if you are looking for an objective view. Anyone who hangs out at Fox has a strong right leaning view. Just like those who hang out at MSNBC have a strong left leaning view. She is, like many on Fox News and MSNBC, an opinion contributor. As such her opinion should be taken for what it is, an opinion. “Liz PeekLiz PeekFox News contributorLiz Peek is a Fox News contributor and former partner of major bracket Wall Street firm Wertheim & Company. A former columnist for the Fiscal Times, she writes for The Hill and contributes frequently to Fox News, the New York Sun and other publications. For more visit LizPeek.com. Follow her on Twitter @lizpeek.”Does Biden lie? Yes he does. Sadly all politicians lie. But you expect it and wish they didn’t feel the need. Given the chance I would tell him to knock it off. And you certainly wouldn’t find me standing behind him cheering while he was lying. Having said there is lying and then there is really really really lying like the current President excels at. And those that try to make a comparison between Biden and trump and the amount and subject of the lies look a little silly IMO. There is no comparison. We aren't comparing, that would be you. What we are saying is that Biden's lies didn't stopped 30 years ago as people keep implying "that's all they got". His lies aren't unimportant since he lies about very important things. Often. And his penchant for lying informs judgments on things he's accused of covering up. Those are universal truths no matter who you are. |
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Post by sam9 on Sept 22, 2020 22:14:27 GMT
Name one dumb thing that I said. I can see where you are going with your statements even though I disagree The small silly white lies Biden tells vs the ONE big lie meant to not cause panic are things we should be comparing. 45 lies about almost everything so putting him up against ole babbling Joe doesn’t seem fair. I don’t think you are dumb. I do think you are misguided to think that because you are a Canadian you can not or should not weigh in on American politics Additionally leadership does matter. Otherwise why would we have them in place. Americans are dead because 45 is a dumb fuck. I don’t think we would have had Nearly as many deaths if we had effective leadership. I agree. Except you can't legislate common sense. |
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Post by grammadee on Sept 22, 2020 22:34:43 GMT
You may enjoy This single just released by my ds's band. Don't think he would appreciate it being used as a theme song for the anti Trump movement (he is right wing for a Canadian), but you still may enjoy singing along--especially to the first few bars. It is available on Apple Music. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 0:05:37 GMT
I said unfortunately all politicians tell lies. One of the reasons they may feel the need to is the public doesn’t want to hear the truth.
A perfect example is what Hillary said about coal mining jobs back in 2016. That caused her no end of problems.
Here is what she said..,
”Here are her full remarks, with the most relevant parts in bold:
Look, we have serious economic problems in many parts of our country. And Roland is absolutely right. Instead of dividing people the way Donald Trump does, let's reunite around policies that will bring jobs and opportunities to all these underserved poor communities.
So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?
And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on.
So whether it's coal country or Indian country or poor urban areas, there is a lot of poverty in America. We have gone backwards. We were moving in the right direction. In the '90s, more people were lifted out of poverty than any time in recent history.
Because of the terrible economic policies of the Bush administration, President Obama was left with the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and people fell back into poverty because they lost jobs, they lost homes, they lost opportunities, and hope.
So I am passionate about this, which is why I have put forward specific plans about how we incentivize more jobs, more investment in poor communities, and put people to work.”
What she said was the truth which more and more coal miners are finding out. The difference is she acknowledged that as these jobs disappear these folks will need help in transitioning into other jobs/careers.
Unlike BunkerBoy who doesn’t care.
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