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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 28, 2020 11:50:19 GMT
I don’t think having a reality show camera is quite the same as being secretly (or not) followed or chased by paparazzi. But I do agree that it seems like an odd choice if they said they don’t like cameras at all.
I have never really understood what the purpose of the royal family is currently, and after watching some shows about the history of the crown, I am even more put off. So, I guess I don’t understand whee as the big deal is if they don’t want to be part of that anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 11:53:37 GMT
I can not accept Harry will drop the Invictus Games. Surely he would never do that. If he turns his back on them I doubt I could ever think kindly of him again. His lawyers have written to the Sunday Times denying the report that was published in the ST last week that the fundraiser event, which was expected to raise £1m was shelved because of the conflict of interest after the Netflix deal. Amazon were suppose to be streaming the event. A statement followed..... An Invictus Games spokesman says in a statement, “The event was shelved because the primary revenue generator was ticket sales from a live concert in Los Angeles in the Spring of 2021. Given current global circumstances with COVID, the event needed to be reconceptualized. This was an independent decision made prior to a partnership with Netflix."
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Post by destined2bmom on Sept 28, 2020 12:04:53 GMT
I am saddened by what has become of Harry. And I am NOT of fan of miss Markle. Never have been. She's proven herself to be a gold-digger, and a very bad one at that. Archie will be paying a very high price for their stupidity and selfishness. This is almost how I feel. I think I'd like to believe that Meghan had no idea what she was doing and didn't like being out of control. The Invictus Games, though!!!! That was Harry's baby. That makes me the saddest. This is what I was thinking. I also think that Meghan thought she could continue to be an actress and maybe get more roles being married to Harry. She didn’t realize the hard work and schedules that the Royals adhere to as a part of their service to their country. By the time they get it figured out; I think that the Queen will be really upset. With all this; do you think the Queen will let them back into the firm after their trial year is up?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 28, 2020 12:06:17 GMT
*plays the world's smallest guillotine* Off with their heads?!? That’s harsh. Lol. Perhaps you meant violin? 'Twas my Frenchness sneakily shining through...
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2020 12:07:19 GMT
destined2bmom there’s no chance they will ever be welcomed back in.
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Post by craftykitten on Sept 28, 2020 12:09:20 GMT
Well its the Daily Mail, so 🤷🏻♀️ I don't care, and I don't know anyone who does. And therefore I will not be watching any series. I think a lot of people who live outside the UK are more invested than I am. I cannot imagine anyone being "stripped" of their titles. That's ridiculous. Personally I think we should be a republic, because then you can elect really intelligent, sensible leaders who are globally respected....oh, wait
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Post by gar on Sept 28, 2020 12:10:15 GMT
do you think the Queen will let them back into the firm after their trial year is up? Highly unlikely as it looks currently - even if they wanted to. Whether he could ever return alone might be a different discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 12:14:34 GMT
The Queen gave the titles Duke and Duchess of Sussex to the couple as a wedding present. She is the only one who can take the title away. I’ve read in multiple places that the Title Deprevation Act of 1917 let’s Parliament pull their titles. Only Parliament can do it. Can someone from the UK confirm? (Not sure where joelise is from. Edited to add: here’s what I am talking about en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_Deprivation_Act_1917Removing Prince Harry's duke title wouldn't come under this act. The Deprevation Act covers Enemy Peers and Princes of British Dignities and Titles that was brought in during WW1 because of the family ties between the BRF and the German Royal Family - Prince Harry is hardly the enemy is he?
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2020 12:15:40 GMT
I’ve read in multiple places that the Title Deprevation Act of 1917 let’s Parliament pull their titles. Only Parliament can do it. Can someone from the UK confirm? (Not sure where joelise is from. Edited to add: here’s what I am talking about en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_Deprivation_Act_1917Removing Prince Harry's duke title wouldn't come under this act. The Deprevation Act covers Enemy Peers and Princes of British Dignities and Titles that was brought in during WW1 because of the family ties between the BRF and the German Royal Family - Prince Harry is hardly the enemy is he? Some see him as one. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by joelise on Sept 28, 2020 12:21:51 GMT
The Queen gave the titles Duke and Duchess of Sussex to the couple as a wedding present. She is the only one who can take the title away. I’ve read in multiple places that the Title Deprevation Act of 1917 let’s Parliament pull their titles. Only Parliament can do it. Can someone from the UK confirm? (Not sure where joelise is from. Edited to add: here’s what I am talking about en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_Deprivation_Act_1917I am from the UK. They talked about this subject this morning on the news. They stated that only the Queen can take away the Sussex title. But I’m no expert!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 12:31:52 GMT
Removing Prince Harry's duke title wouldn't come under this act. The Deprevation Act covers Enemy Peers and Princes of British Dignities and Titles that was brought in during WW1 because of the family ties between the BRF and the German Royal Family - Prince Harry is hardly the enemy is he? Some see him as one. 🤷🏼♀️ Really? Don't think he has any access to top secret government strategies that would put the country at risk from anyone. Some might not like what he's doing and I don't personally welcome the ground he's walking along by being involved with another country's politics, he should know better. Especially when they said when leaving that they would continue to uphold the values of the Monarchy - the values of that Monarchy includes Political neutrality be in here or abroad. That in itself is hypocritical. Lamenting about not being able to vote in the UK is also a bit lame. There's no law that says he can't but being Royal they choose to be political neutral. If you understand the history of the Monarchy in the UK that goes back centuries then you would understand why they take this stance.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 12:57:40 GMT
It's not ONLY the daily mail, these reports are in various media outlets. Here it is in The TimesDo we really believe Invictus was Harry's "baby"? There's a school of thought it was mostly created by his private secretary Edward Lane-Fox to rehabilitate Harry's image after all the Nazi uniform/racist comments/naked Vegas photos problems. We get the Invictus Games and suddenly we have the "hero Harry" narrative that saves his flailing public image. It worked, but is he really as invested in them as some would like to believe? Personally I think the concert being cancelled "due to covid" is all spin...because at this stage the actual Invictus Games are still scheduled, so hard to believe they will cancel just the fundraising concert but not the actual Games...especially as both are almost a year away. Also infesting that while Harry has filed yet another lawsuit...The Times haven't taken down the article, they just put up a note that says "This article is the subject of a legal complaint from the Duke of Sussex"
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 13:07:26 GMT
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Post by 16joy on Sept 28, 2020 13:20:34 GMT
The gray shirt...lol
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Post by myshelly on Sept 28, 2020 13:30:01 GMT
What absolute and complete asses.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 13:30:55 GMT
Ah - now it seems they are backtracking on the "reality show" thing...
If a camera crew are following you around and filming your activities does it make much difference if it's called a "reality TV show" or a "documentary"?
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Post by wellway on Sept 28, 2020 13:40:10 GMT
Think I'll double my popcorn order.
Piers will probably have a meltdown at the news.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 28, 2020 13:40:49 GMT
The Netflix deal also seems to mean that Just Harry has ditched his responsibilities to the Invictus Games: While it's not definite and the event has been postponed for the moment it's hard to see how Netflix will let them promote and raise money for a major event due to be streamed on Amazon. This actually stuns me bc I thought this was Harry's pet project. What a shame. As for having cameras follow them around, maybe when they were working royals I would have been interested, but honestly, now that they are out, I could care less. It's just two celebs living their lives - they aren't any different (or any more interesting) than any other celeb, IMO, and it seems they are being two faced about what is invading their privacy and what is not.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 13:53:15 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Sept 28, 2020 13:54:48 GMT
destined2bmom there’s no chance they will ever be welcomed back in. I agree. The family never embraced Edward nor willingly spent time with him after he left the throne.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 28, 2020 14:46:11 GMT
The Queen gave the titles Duke and Duchess of Sussex to the couple as a wedding present. She is the only one who can take the title away. I’ve read in multiple places that the Title Deprevation Act of 1917 let’s Parliament pull their titles. Only Parliament can do it. Can someone from the UK confirm? (Not sure where joelise is from. Edited to add: here’s what I am talking about en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_Deprivation_Act_1917FYI, this was a (lengthy) blog post I read about stripping the title, etc from them. It really got into the weeds, past history of other royals, etc... royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2020/09/shaking-my-head-again.html
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2020 14:50:57 GMT
Thanks, I will check it out!
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Post by pancakes on Sept 28, 2020 14:57:55 GMT
Although I think the two are making some dumb choices, I don't think Meghan, at any point, has been puppeting Harry. I think he's always been like this and just wasn't able to because of his obligation. He just has the support he needs to do what he wants.
That said, I don't think either thought through what it meant to leave, from an income perspective, which is why they're making these hypocritical choices.
Honestly, I don't think they mind the media. What they want is to control the messaging and when/where they are exposed.
Is the sentiment of most Brits that Harry and Meghan are terrible? Or is there a faction that still likes them?
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Post by gar on Sept 28, 2020 15:26:32 GMT
That man's going to give himself an aneurysm over this! he's like that about something different every day. Is the sentiment of most Brits that Harry and Meghan are terrible? Or is there a faction that still likes them? Definitely they still have support among some of the general public. I don't know the percentage but I would guess that there are plenty who think he's made his choice as an adult and they should just be left alone to be happy now. To be honest there are also probably quite a few who are unsure and as I said upthread somewhere, who have watched him grow up, enjoyed his mischievous antics as a kid, felt protective over him when Diana died and now, are maybe disappointed with recent events and aren't sure what to think.
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Post by Peal on Sept 28, 2020 15:40:13 GMT
and it's cancellation wasn't due to the Prince's other new committments. I did mention that! Technically Harry hasn't pulled out of the fundraiser YET only because it hasn't been on, but the sources all seem to suggest that he will have to due to his Netflix deal. However can really you imagine Netflix paying them over $100M and then letting them participate in a fundraiser for something that will stream on a rival network? It seems unlikely. I can not accept Harry will drop the Invictus Games He may not drop them, but they are struggling financially and this concert was meant to be a major fundraiser with both Harry & Meghan attending and making speeches...now if they can't do that due to their Netflix deal then it could impact how much money they raise.
Apart from that...what you you think of his video complaining he hasn't been able to vote in the UK "his entire life" and making public commentary on another country's election? Harry's about to have a bit of a windfall, maybe he could donate the lost revenue since everything is up in the air now.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 28, 2020 16:01:19 GMT
Although I think the two are making some dumb choices, I don't think Meghan, at any point, has been puppeting Harry. I think he's always been like this and just wasn't able to because of his obligation. He just has the support he needs to do what he wants. That said, I don't think either thought through what it meant to leave, from an income perspective, which is why they're making these hypocritical choices. Honestly, I don't think they mind the media. What they want is to control the messaging and when/where they are exposed. Is the sentiment of most Brits that Harry and Meghan are terrible? Or is there a faction that still likes them? Thank you. The idea that Meghan is some kind of formidable, controlling puppet master is absurd. If she was, neither of them would even be in this mess. She didn't know what she was getting into, they both don't know what they're doing, and neither of them seem to know where they're going, let alone how to get there. Besides, if she was this horrible manipulator, what does it say about him that he chose her and married her? He upended his life not because of her, but because he wanted to escape for whatever reasons, and finally got the chance.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 28, 2020 16:04:53 GMT
I know very little about the Royal family. My perception is that Harry has hated living as a royal his entire life and since he knew he'd never be king, when Meghan came along she was his way out and he jumped on it.
I don't begrudge him anything. If this is how they want to live their life, go for it. They have to make money some how so if they use themselves for good, I have no problem with it.
Also, they can take his title but he'll ALWAYS be Prince Harry.
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Post by gar on Sept 28, 2020 16:13:39 GMT
Thank you. The idea that Meghan is some kind of formidable, controlling puppet master is absurd. If she was, neither of them would even be in this mess. She didn't know what she was getting into, they both don't know what they're doing, and neither of them seem to know where they're going, let alone how to get there. Besides, if she was this horrible manipulator, what does it say about him that he chose her and married her? He upended his life not because of her, but because he wanted to escape for whatever reasons, and finally got the chance. Well, they may not consider themselves to be in a mess. They may be entirely happy with things as they are now. Everything you said is just your opinion obviously so the opposite could just as easily be true...Unlike Diana, Meghan was a worldly woman in her 30s who should/could have known what she was getting into and I'm sure, as Harry loves her, he would have warned her about the press interest, the lack of freedoms etc but maybe she thought she could 'do it her way'. And if she is a manipulator then it could just say about him that he was unhappy. He upended his life but we don't know that he wanted to escape - maybe she wanted to escape and he followed? None of us actually know do we
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 28, 2020 16:20:45 GMT
This story has already been proven as untrue. Both Netflix and representatives for the couple have denied the reports.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 28, 2020 16:25:26 GMT
I really think there's a lot of harsh judgement about these two, and frankly, I don't understand it.
First, I think having a film crew purposely follow you around for 3 months is way different than invasion of privacy from the paps. They control a film crew. They get to choose. It's really no different than celebrities who now sell to the highest bidder (for charity), or just outright releasing, pictures of new born babies. All in the hopes of diminishing the clamor and crazy of the press. And before I read an update a bit ago that said they were calling it a documentary, I was going to suggest that it's probably more of a doc than a "reality TV show" as we know them (ala Kardashian style).
Second, I think people give Meghan an awful lot of credit (blame!) for everything. She schemed. She's a gold digger. She tricked him. She controls him. Apparently no one has any faith that Harry can make his own decisions. How sad his life must be. Wow. Her net worth was estimated at $5 Million BEFORE she met Harry. She wasn't in need of money. Maybe she did get in deeper than she realized. Buy why is it so hard to believe that Harry didn't have any say in this at all? He was clearly never that comfortable, or happy, being a daily Royal.
Would he have stayed if he hadn't met Meghan? Maybe. But that's not how it worked out. He married someone he loved, and had a family. Why can't people take him at his word that he wasn't happy in that life and wanted something different for his family? And before people jump and say "but they moved to Hollywood and are going after fame/fortune" it's not the same thing at all. Being a Royal means you have no control over your life pretty much at all. You're told where to be, when to be there, how to act, etc. I mean my god, he was forced to go to an event with Dump Truck right after Dump Truck trashed his wife on the plane over there to the press corp. WTF?
There's an awful log of judgement against a woman that no one here knows. And considering no one lives in their marriage but them, I think putting all the "blame" on her is absolutely sad and fascinating. I'm not even sure what "blame" there is. Harry by all accounts didn't want to live in a Monarchy. He threw out centuries of tradition to live his own life. Honestly, who can really blame him? That tradition created a horrible marriage for his mother, the obsession with her which got her killed. It's not that shocking that he would turn his back on that life. And my guess is he didn't need any push from his American wife to do so.
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