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Post by catck on Sept 28, 2020 16:44:30 GMT
Diana must be turning in her grave to see what has happened to Harry He's letting MM lead him by the nose into making some awful decisions. I'm especially saddened about the Invictus Games fundraiser as that has always been one of Harry's pet projects.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 28, 2020 16:52:21 GMT
Thank you. The idea that Meghan is some kind of formidable, controlling puppet master is absurd. If she was, neither of them would even be in this mess. She didn't know what she was getting into, they both don't know what they're doing, and neither of them seem to know where they're going, let alone how to get there. Besides, if she was this horrible manipulator, what does it say about him that he chose her and married her? He upended his life not because of her, but because he wanted to escape for whatever reasons, and finally got the chance. Well, they may not consider themselves to be in a mess. They may be entirely happy with things as they are now. Everything you said is just your opinion obviously so the opposite could just as easily be true...Unlike Diana, Meghan was a worldly woman in her 30s who should/could have known what she was getting into and I'm sure, as Harry loves her, he would have warned her about the press interest, the lack of freedoms etc but maybe she thought she could 'do it her way'. And if she is a manipulator then it could just say about him that he was unhappy. He upended his life but we don't know that he wanted to escape - maybe she wanted to escape and he followed? None of us actually know do we She's more worldly than Diana, true. But that's a really low bar. Diana was incredibly young and sheltered. Meghan had some entertainment experience, but was hardly a Hollywood mover and shaker. She's older than Diana, but unlike Diana, she had no experience within "Royal" society and Britain isn't her country. She had a little media experience, but a little media experience is nothing when it comes to being part of the most famous family in the world. People tried to tell her, but nobody can really explain how it's going to be at the center of the whirlwind. Of course we don't know what's in their heads. But if he didn't really want to escape, he wouldn't have. Harry has had agency in every decision they've made. Nothing he's said or done in his pre-Meghan life indicated to me that he was stupid, malleable or a follower, led by the nose. Marriage doesn't change who you are. I don't believe his marriage to Meghan changed who he was.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 16:55:31 GMT
This story has already been proven as untrue Not "untrue" they have just denied it is a "reality TV show" They'll just call it a docu-series instead.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 17:17:04 GMT
Nothing he's said or done in his pre-Meghan life indicated to me that he was stupid, malleable or a follower, led by the nose. Marriage doesn't change who you are. I don't believe his marriage to Meghan changed who he was. It's well known that Harry isn't very smart, he didn't do well at school and there's always been rumours that some of his teachers helped him to cheat in order to get him to pass. I do think he has always been a follower, that's why he coped relatively well in the army. Then he had his brother, then Kate to "follow' and they kept him on the straight and narrow. I don't think Meghan changed who is already was, but she did play into his insecurities. I think he's always had a chip on his shoulder about being "the spare" and not being treated the same as William and his mother tried to make up for it by spoiling him which just turned him into a bigger self entitled brat...then along comes Meghan and starts telling him how he's worth more, can do more, than the Royal family...they can do it on their own without all the constraints, they can do whatever they want, be successful, do voiceovers for Disney even!....and he was already primed so it didn't take much for him to follow her and leave everything he's ever known behind. Meghan has separated herself from her own family and now she's succeeded in doing that to him as well. Now he just has her, and he can't risk losing that too, so he'll just go along for the ride with whatever Meghan wants now...and she's got Archie as a bargaining chip. There's a reason lots of people are calling Harry's Zoom meetings his "hostage videos"
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 28, 2020 17:25:18 GMT
Nothing he's said or done in his pre-Meghan life indicated to me that he was stupid, malleable or a follower, led by the nose. Marriage doesn't change who you are. I don't believe his marriage to Meghan changed who he was. It's well known that Harry isn't very smart, he didn't do well at school and there's always been rumours that some of his teachers helped him to cheat in order to get him to pass. I do think he has always been a follower, that's why he coped relatively well in the army. Then he had his brother, then Kate to "follow' and they kept him on the straight and narrow. I don't think Meghan changed who is already was, but she did play into his insecurities. I think he's always had a chip on his shoulder about being "the spare" and not being treated the same as William and his mother tried to make up for it by spoiling him which just turned him into a bigger self entitled brat...then along comes Meghan and starts telling him how he's worth more, can do more, than the Royal family...they can do it on their own without all the constraints, they can do whatever they want, be successful, do voiceovers for Disney even!....and he was already primed so it didn't take much for him to follow her and leave everything he's ever known behind. Meghan has separated herself from her own family and now she's succeeded in doing that to him as well.Now he just has her, and he can't risk losing that too, so he'll just go along for the ride with whatever Meghan wants now...and she's got Archie as a bargaining chip. There's a reason lots of people are calling Harry's Zoom meetings his "hostage videos" Meghan was long ago estranged from a lot of her family. She had been for years prior to meeting Harry. Meeting Harry didn't do that. The family she was estranged from just a made a big deal about being her family for the fame. She's very close to her mother and continues to be.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 17:27:04 GMT
That tradition created a horrible marriage for his mother, the obsession with her which got her killed No, what "got her killed" was a drunk man driving the car and her not wearing a seat belt.
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Post by sideways on Sept 28, 2020 17:32:54 GMT
I really don’t care one way or the other, and I haven’t read the whole thread. That said, maybe they need the income and decided to be filmed on their terms rather then being filmed/photographed on the sly with someone calling the shots and making the money. People are interested, so why should someone else profit? There is a difference between letting cameras follow you around on a schedule and being filmed unknowingly
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Post by malibou on Sept 28, 2020 17:41:05 GMT
How about Harry met and fell in love with Meghan and realizing that if he married an American he had an out. There was no way to prep her for what was coming, so I'm not surprised if she was overwhelmed and Harry said, we can back down and move to America, and she jumped at the chance. If he had married a girl from the UK, who would have been much more likely to understand enough about royal life to be able to adapt, he would be stuck.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 28, 2020 17:44:48 GMT
Meghan was long ago estranged from a lot of her family. She had been for years prior to meeting Harry. No, she wasn't. She was very much in a good relationship with her father right up until before her wedding, she also has aunts and uncles on both sides that she previously has in contact with and who were very surprised not to be invited to the wedding. While her relationship with both her half siblings wasn't close, they weren't estranged either - they both spoke up to defend their father. Meghan actively avoided having Harry meet her father before the wedding...you can't tell me that those two couldn't have organized a meeting if they wanted to. She made sure Harry never met any of her family...why? Probably because she fed him a bunch of BS about her life and she didn't want him to find out that it wasn't all true. I recently read Lady Colin Campbell's book on the couple and realized that I'd also bought into Meghan's bullshit about her father. None of her family are very sophisticated when it came to dealing with the media, and Harry & Meghan did nothing to help them with that, they could have hired advisors for them etc, but instead they let them try to deal with all the new attention on their own and when they got taken advantage of and screwed up, they just left them in the dust.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 18:22:23 GMT
Well, they may not consider themselves to be in a mess. They may be entirely happy with things as they are now. Everything you said is just your opinion obviously so the opposite could just as easily be true...Unlike Diana, Meghan was a worldly woman in her 30s who should/could have known what she was getting into and I'm sure, as Harry loves her, he would have warned her about the press interest, the lack of freedoms etc but maybe she thought she could 'do it her way'. And if she is a manipulator then it could just say about him that he was unhappy. He upended his life but we don't know that he wanted to escape - maybe she wanted to escape and he followed? None of us actually know do we She's more worldly than Diana, true. But that's a really low bar. Diana was incredibly young and sheltered. Meghan had some entertainment experience, but was hardly a Hollywood mover and shaker. She's older than Diana, but unlike Diana, she had no experience within "Royal" society and Britain isn't her country. She had a little media experience, but a little media experience is nothing when it comes to being part of the most famous family in the world. People tried to tell her, but nobody can really explain how it's going to be at the center of the whirlwind. Of course we don't know what's in their heads. But if he didn't really want to escape, he wouldn't have. Harry has had agency in every decision they've made. Nothing he's said or done in his pre-Meghan life indicated to me that he was stupid, malleable or a follower, led by the nose. Marriage doesn't change who you are. I don't believe his marriage to Meghan changed who he was. One big difference though is that 40 years ago media wasn't anything like it is now. Before Diana the Royals had a pretty hands off policy and tabloids weren't nearly as personally vicious as they are now. Add in that there was no social media and it was an entirely different picture than it is now. MM knew exactly what kind of scrutiny there was going to be based on history not only with the Royal family but in America. I think Diana entered into it thinking *this will be great for my life* and MM entered into it thinking *this will be great for my career*
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2020 18:26:28 GMT
Maybe Meghan isn't leading the show...but the other day when they put out a video about voting, Harry was clearly unconfortable and had the look of knowing what he was doing was against the rules. Even if he is now separate from the Monarchy, its just bad to be chiming in on another countrys political climate and election. Especially when you still go by 'Prince' and 'Duke'.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 28, 2020 18:47:29 GMT
That tradition created a horrible marriage for his mother, the obsession with her which got her killed No, what "got her killed" was a drunk man driving the car and her not wearing a seat belt. As if it was that simple. It wasn't, and you know it.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 28, 2020 18:50:29 GMT
Meghan was long ago estranged from a lot of her family. She had been for years prior to meeting Harry. No, she wasn't. She was very much in a good relationship with her father right up until before her wedding, she also has aunts and uncles on both sides that she previously has in contact with and who were very surprised not to be invited to the wedding. While her relationship with both her half siblings wasn't close, they weren't estranged either - they both spoke up to defend their father. Meghan actively avoided having Harry meet her father before the wedding...you can't tell me that those two couldn't have organized a meeting if they wanted to. She made sure Harry never met any of her family...why? Probably because she fed him a bunch of BS about her life and she didn't want him to find out that it wasn't all true. I recently read Lady Colin Campbell's book on the couple and realized that I'd also bought into Meghan's bullshit about her father. None of her family are very sophisticated when it came to dealing with the media, and Harry & Meghan did nothing to help them with that, they could have hired advisors for them etc, but instead they let them try to deal with all the new attention on their own and when they got taken advantage of and screwed up, they just left them in the dust. She made sure they never met? How could you possibly know that? And you don't need advisors to know that you don't hire and stage for pap photos, and then lie about it to your daughter. And then you don't share personal letters from your daughter with the press. And you don't bad mouth her in laws. And you don't go on Piers Morgans show and talk about their desire for a baby, and Harry's personal beliefs are certain topics. Seriously, you're hell bent on blaming her, and I guess that's fine. But there are many, many sides to this story.
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Post by Leone on Sept 28, 2020 19:47:00 GMT
Harry was always my favorite. He has really messed up his life...the two are coming off as so desperate. And phony...sad to say.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 29, 2020 1:34:33 GMT
She made sure they never met? How could you possibly know that? And you don't need advisors to know that you don't hire and stage for pap photos, and then lie about it to your daughter. And then you don't share personal letters from your daughter with the press. And you don't bad mouth her in laws. And you don't go on Piers Morgans show and talk about their desire for a baby, and Harry's personal beliefs are certain topics. Seriously, you're hell bent on blaming her, and I guess that's fine. But there are many, many sides to this story. Blaming her for what? I'm having a discussion about what they are doing as a couple. Meghan was an actress, had a fairly well known blog, so there's lots of information about her still online from those days, interviews, videos, screenshots of her posts on The Tig...it's not just people making stuff up, there's plenty of facts if someone wants to look for them. As for Harry not meeting her father before the wedding - that's known, and there's plenty of places online you can read that information for yourself. They spoke on the phone but didn't meet in person. It's not hard to find. The rest of it is all PF and Meghan's spin, I pretty much believed it too until I did some further reading. That's why everything broke down so much, because all of her side of the family knew she was lying and then they tried to set the record straight, BUT they don't have the media savvy or the expensive PR team that Meghan has, so they really made a big mess of the whole thing. Plus her father undeniably isn't a very 'polished' man, so making him out to be a greedy, slob by her PR people was relatively easy. By all accounts even though her parents split, she was raised in a loving environment by BOTH of them and they both spoiled her and supported her whole heartedly. Then suddenly Harry is making a speech saying that she's now found "the family she never had" so no wonder they were all upset, and who knows what stories she fed Harry to make him say that. If you do some more reading and googling, there's interviews on youtube of Meghan talking about her father, he was a lighting technician and she talks about going to work with him everyday after school to the set of "Married With Children" and what a great time she had. He also bankrupted himself putting her through college - and he's provided evidence of that. I don't disagree that that he's handled this situation poorly since her wedding, BUT the facts are that prior to the wedding their relationship was just fine and when she didn't need him or his money anymore she dumped him. She's also spoken about spending a semester American embassy in Buenos Aires...something an uncle pulled a few strings to make happen for her. Where was he at her wedding? Meghan seems to have the ability to cut people out of her life when they are no longer useful to her, or don't support the image of herself she wants to project...and now she's done the same for Harry and his family. I do blame her for that part of things.
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Post by peatlejuice on Sept 29, 2020 4:37:48 GMT
H&M elict the same "Them again? :eyeroll: " response from me as the Kardashians, so I reckon it'd be fitting for them to have a Real Royals of Santa Barbara-type show.
The Invictus Games fundraiser is on hold because of Covid and it seems like hypothesizing on a future conflict of interest cancelation is much ado about nothing.
As far as his election comments - of all the foreign entities attempting to interfere in our election, an off-the-cuff comment by a relatively immature prince and his C-list celebrity wife is at the bottom of my concerns. His family might care because of tradition and whatnot, but I'd wager that the average American couldn't care less if Harry wishes he could vote.
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Post by tryingtobewise on Sept 29, 2020 5:58:54 GMT
I have a theory that those of us who have dealt with narcissistic people in our real lives, and have done some “work” to understand or recover from it, can spot this trait in her more easily than others. Granted, none of truly know her but many of the tells are there.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Sept 29, 2020 6:12:39 GMT
I absolutely adore that certain people fell for the false narrative put out there by the tabloids. It says so much about the ones who write this crap and the people who eat it up.
Personally, it wouldn’t bother me if they did have a “ Schlepping With the Sussexes” reality show, although those are not my type of things, and I wouldn’t watch.
But if that were what it took to pay their bills and arrange the security they need I’d be happy for them.
However, it appears that it’s just more lies.
Surprise.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 29, 2020 6:24:50 GMT
I have a theory that those of us who have dealt with narcissistic people in our real lives, and have done some “work” to understand or recover from it, can spot this trait in her more easily than others That's a good point! I have one in my personal life and one at work. “ Schlepping With the Sussexes
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Post by hannahruth on Sept 29, 2020 14:04:18 GMT
Honestly they are just a couple of no-bodies really - she is some B grade actress who suddenly has so much knowledge/experience she is about changing the world and he is someone who used to be special and now somebody who married a B grade actress. Bid deal.
The best thing to allow them to have their privacy is for the world press to stop giving them the publicity that they so desperately are chasing.
I'm certainly over them.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 29, 2020 21:35:23 GMT
Schlepping With the Sussexes LOL love it!
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Post by Miss Lerins Momma on Sept 30, 2020 3:38:24 GMT
I am saddened by what has become of Harry. And I am NOT of fan of miss Markle. Never have been. She's proven herself to be a gold-digger, and a very bad one at that. Archie will be paying a very high price for their stupidity and selfishness. This is almost how I feel. I think I'd like to believe that Meghan had no idea what she was doing and didn't like being out of control. The Invictus Games, though!!!! That was Harry's baby. That makes me the saddest. what are the invictus games?
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Post by Really Red on Sept 30, 2020 3:50:47 GMT
This is almost how I feel. I think I'd like to believe that Meghan had no idea what she was doing and didn't like being out of control. The Invictus Games, though!!!! That was Harry's baby. That makes me the saddest. what are the invictus games? The Invictus GamesFrom their site: Most of us will never know the full horrors of combat. Many Servicemen and women suffer life-changing injuries, visible or otherwise, whilst serving their country. How do these men and women find the motivation to move on and not be defined by their injuries? On a trip to the Warrior Games in the USA in 2013, HRH The Duke of Sussex saw first-hand how the power of sport can help physically, psychologically and socially those suffering from injuries and illness. He was inspired by his visit and the Invictus Games was born. The word ‘invictus’ means ‘unconquered’. It embodies the fighting spirit of wounded, injured and sick Service personnel and personifies what these tenacious men and women can achieve post injury. The Games harness the power of sport to inspire recovery, support rehabilitation and generate a wider understanding and respect for those who serve their country. The Invictus Games is about much more than just sport – it captures hearts, challenges minds and changes lives.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 30, 2020 5:51:14 GMT
I’m fairly disgusted with him. When it all goes tits up - and it will - I doubt that the British public would welcome him back. I also doubt that the Royals would find a role for him after a the way he has behaved. He was held in high regard and turned out to be. A self seeking disappointment.
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Post by gar on Sept 30, 2020 7:39:32 GMT
what are the invictus games? The Invictus GamesFrom their site: Most of us will never know the full horrors of combat. Many Servicemen and women suffer life-changing injuries, visible or otherwise, whilst serving their country. How do these men and women find the motivation to move on and not be defined by their injuries? On a trip to the Warrior Games in the USA in 2013, HRH The Duke of Sussex saw first-hand how the power of sport can help physically, psychologically and socially those suffering from injuries and illness. He was inspired by his visit and the Invictus Games was born. The word ‘invictus’ means ‘unconquered’. It embodies the fighting spirit of wounded, injured and sick Service personnel and personifies what these tenacious men and women can achieve post injury. The Games harness the power of sport to inspire recovery, support rehabilitation and generate a wider understanding and respect for those who serve their country. The Invictus Games is about much more than just sport – it captures hearts, challenges minds and changes lives. And not forgetting that he had first hand knowledge of serving ina conflict himself - he was/is 'one of them', a fellow serviceman albeit not injured physically.
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Post by hannahruth on Sept 30, 2020 8:12:30 GMT
And not forgetting that he had first hand knowledge of serving in a conflict himself - he was/is 'one of them', a fellow serviceman albeit not injured physically. Not all war injuries are physical - it is the unseen ones that are also a great burden to deal with.
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Post by gar on Sept 30, 2020 8:44:37 GMT
And not forgetting that he had first hand knowledge of serving in a conflict himself - he was/is 'one of them', a fellow serviceman albeit not injured physically. Not all war injuries are physical - it is the unseen ones that are also a great burden to deal with. Indeed, I'm not suggesting otherwise. That's what I meant when I said he wasn't injured physically.
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Post by Nink on Sept 30, 2020 11:43:55 GMT
So much insight into their lives and what they’re thinking and what MM motives were/are from a bunch of people that I doubt have ever met either one of them.
Doing a show where they get to control the content and privacy is far different then the shit show they were dealing with before moving, so it doesn’t come across as hypocritical to me. As MM said “I knew it wouldn’t be easy, but I thought it would at least be fair”.
If you don’t like them then don’t watch it. I don’t think I’ve ever watched a minute of The Kardashians. Simple enough.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 30, 2020 13:19:33 GMT
So much insight into their lives and what they’re thinking and what MM motives were/are from a bunch of people that I doubt have ever met either one of them Except for the large chunks that MM herself has given to her high profile PR team who then pass it on to the media, or the Finding Freedom book where she pretty much just handed her diary over the the authors. We know that she co-operated with that book, because a) it was written by the people on her PR team and b) she isn't suing the authors.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 30, 2020 19:11:31 GMT
I can’t buy they weren’t involved with the book. How else did they know Harry was so impressed she peed in the bush or what yoga pose she was doing when he proposed.
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