MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 28, 2020 23:48:20 GMT
His tattoo artwork reminds of of " Song of the Sea" (which I HIGHLY recommend!). That said, he looks scary af! Pure nightmare fuel for little kids who would have a difficult time understanding it.
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Post by katlady on Sept 29, 2020 0:24:33 GMT
I am torn. I personally don’t like facial tattoos, but maybe that is because I don’t see it that often. Maybe by having the kids get used to it at a young age it won’t be so freakish later on. I can see how it can scare young kids. But like I said, they’ll eventually see it as “normal”. Yes, it was his choice, but I don’t know if he should have been removed.
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ComplicatedLady
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Sept 29, 2020 0:42:31 GMT
Most places I’ve worked have had rules about visible tattoos. Some said no tattoos of face, neck, or hands. Others said no visible tattoos so tattoos had to be covered by clothing. I guess that’s pretty much given my the view about no tattoos on face, neck, or hands. I could see young children being afraid of someone with “black eye balls.”
Was this sudden though? Usually tattoos that detailed and widespread are done in phases. I can’t imagine he came in one day all tattood up after not having any the day before. (I guess it could happen after a vacation/holiday or something though.) I would imagine the eyeball thing is what sealed the deal.
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Post by alexa11 on Sept 29, 2020 1:31:51 GMT
His eyes freak me out and I'm 61! Moving him was definitely the right decision.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 29, 2020 1:40:31 GMT
Oh hell no - no way that man should be teaching little kids. He's a fool if he didn't realise that those choices were going to impact his employment and I think he's very lucky he wasn't fired.
If I was involved in that decision, I would have been on the side of firing him.
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Post by Layce on Sept 29, 2020 1:46:45 GMT
That kind of deliberate disfigurement suggests mental health issues. Why on earth does he want to be around children?
Pardon my suspicious mind, but he ain’t right 😲
Layce
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teddyw
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Post by teddyw on Sept 29, 2020 1:48:39 GMT
I wonder if his eyes will be damaged later? That’s such a sensitive area.
Young kids are usually brutally honest. I find it hard to believe not 1 commented anything to him.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 29, 2020 1:57:47 GMT
I was ready to be annoyed that a school had moved a man from his kinder class because of a few arm tattoos. Then I opened the link and WOAH, I understand 100% why they didn't want him teaching little children. Like Darcy Collins said, he's lucky that they only moved him instead of firing him. Existential crisis notwithstanding, he must have known the tattoos were going to cause a problem. One of the teachers at my kids' high school (private school, so a lot stricter rules) had to wear a long sleeved rashie to the school swimming carnivals each year because he had a tattoo on one arm. There is no way a teacher at my kids' school would be allowed to keep their job looking like that French teacher. Same. I have a tattoo myself, so I was all gimme a break, they moved him because he has some ink ... ohdeargodwhatisthatIthinkhestolemysoul
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Post by Zee on Sept 29, 2020 1:58:24 GMT
This man is horrifying. I want him arrested immediately based on his eyes alone...not sure for what, but I'm pretty sure it's a good idea. Lol for real he's terrifying.
He needs to run off and join the circus or become a rock star or do whatever else it is that demons do while they're trapped on earth.
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Post by elaine on Sept 29, 2020 2:11:27 GMT
I have seen way too many sci-fi shows and movies where possession by some evil force/being involves one’s eyes turning all black. I would have nightmares after spending an hour with him, let alone having to spend multiple hours every day with him as my teacher.
I have spent the past 18 years working with kids with autism. One of the things that is always focused on in “looking eyes” - meaning that the child has to give you/others eye contact because eye contact is crucial for appropriate communication. I still have to ask my 19 y.o. to give looking eyes on a regular basis.
Eyes are one keystone of human communication. Dying/tattooing ones eye orbits black is freakish and drastically inhibits that basic communication channel for individuals with sight.
He is lucky that he is allowed to teach children IMO, I wouldn’t want him teaching mine. Body tattoos- fine. Face tattoos and piercings- fine. Changing your eyes to be solid black - nope, no way, no.
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basketdiva
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Post by basketdiva on Sept 29, 2020 2:29:42 GMT
So the last paragraph of the article. How are the kids racist and homophobic because his tattoos are out right scary. I love the artistry of tattoos, but what he has is too much and it has nothing to do with racism and someone’s sexuality. I read that last paragraph as he wants to teach the students not to be racist,etc. I don’t believe he was saying that the children are racist,etc.
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MaryMary
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 29, 2020 3:10:40 GMT
This man is horrifying. I want him arrested immediately based on his eyes alone...not sure for what, but I'm pretty sure it's a good idea. Lol for real he's terrifying. He needs to run off and join the circus or become a rock star or do whatever else it is that demons do while they're trapped on earth. For real. I cannot even imagine parent-teacher conference. I would not be able to stare into his demon eyes and casually chat about Johnny’s progress. No way should he be working with small kids.
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Post by padresfan619 on Sept 29, 2020 3:20:10 GMT
His tattoos and eyes don’t bother me but I wouldn’t want him teaching my five year old. I’m shocked he was shocked and I think he’s lucky he got to keep teaching. I don’t remember any of my teachers having visible tattoos.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 29, 2020 3:30:03 GMT
Oh hell to the no. I would have been freaked the hell out IN HIGH SCHOOL if I even saw that guy once in real life. I read way too many Stephen King books back in the day!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 29, 2020 3:51:45 GMT
I see no people acquainted with the French national education system chiming in so here we go. Let's get some ~FACTS~ into the discussion and straighten out a few important points: 1. Sylvain Hélaine has never been fired nor can he be fired for tattoos. He was simply moved from one age group to another. 2. Sylvain is employed by the French Minister of National education, Youth and Sports. He is not employed by the school he teaches at because he's a public school teacher. There is absolutely NO WAY the head of the school can fire (or hire!) him or impose a specific dress code. This is all reglemented and organised by the French national education rules. This particular point eludes a lot of foreigners not familiar with everyday life in France. 3. Sylvain's specific terms of employment, that is to say the school he teaches at and the age group he's been assigned to teach to, are set by his regional academy, the national education body overlooking pupils, teachers and school establishments. The academy is allowed to reassess which age group they assign him to which is what they've done here in concertation with Sylvain himself. There is no drama. 4. Like his fellow kindergarten and elementary school teachers, Sylvain is qualified to work with children age 3 to 11. That's the big national exam he passed. He had to prove he could handle the teaching programmes and teaching techniques for all these children. He didn't change jobs, didn't change job descriptions, didn't change employer, merely was assigned to a different age group which led to him moving school establishments, that's all. It's completely legal and normal. 5. Per the national education's rules, Sylvain's tattoos do not infringe the secular dress code imposed on public school teachers. However, there were complaints from parents which led to his regional academy reconsidering the age group that he's assigned to teach to. This, again, is not an extraordinary measure or bizarre ruling. Anyhoo, carry on.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 29, 2020 4:14:50 GMT
thanks for the clarifications about the French educational system and hiring practices, sleepingbooty!
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Post by prapea on Sept 29, 2020 4:28:48 GMT
I don’t have tattoos but would love to get one some day. Because I am chickenshit about needles, I am delaying it...lol. With that said, judge me all you want but as a grown ass adult woman I would have a hard time looking at that teacher straight in the eye or even in his direction. Same with body piercings. I don’t know wtf it is with me and I will say it is 100% my own issue, I have a hard time looking at people with tongue piercings and things like that. Normal ear and nose rings is fine but anything else, I can talk to them as long as I am not looking straight at them 🤣🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️. Yes, go ahead and tear me to pieces. So I feel for the kids is what I am saying. crimsoncat05 - I think you have a valid point. I have heard my friends who have had tattoos say that it is definitely addictive. They cannot wait to get the next one.
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Post by kernriver on Sept 29, 2020 6:06:14 GMT
Holy shit, ummm, ok, I would be afraid to have a parent teacher conference with him. Tattoos that startling are meant to shock. Job well done!
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Post by busy on Sept 29, 2020 10:43:17 GMT
I think they were incredibly generous to move him instead of firing him. The hired him with a lot of tattoos - it wouldn’t seem right to now fire him for them.
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Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Sept 29, 2020 10:51:48 GMT
The title is misleading unless I misread it said he was moved to teaching older kids, not fired. I can see both sides to this, but ultimately the school does have a right to enforce a dress code. I can’t get over the fact that he had the whites of his eyes surgically altered to black. I didn’t even know you could do that! I changed the title, I was using the title I originally saw and he was essentially fired from his Kindergarten class, but I did change it. I agree that they can enforce any old dress code they like, I was just wondering if they should have or not. If they have a dress code that they don't enforce,then they shouldn't bother having it in the first place. I think it shows that he doesn't understand children if he really thought he could look like that and NOT scare kids! It seems pretty foolish for him to think it would be okay. ETA- after reading sleepingbooty's explanation, I have to wonder if the people who placed him in the kindergarten class even knew about his tattoos. If they'd never seen him before, they may not have known he'd be better in an older classroom.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 29, 2020 11:52:31 GMT
ETA- after reading sleepingbooty's explanation, I have to wonder if the people who placed him in the kindergarten class even knew about his tattoos. If they'd never seen him before, they may not have known he'd be better in an older classroom. He got more and more tattoos as the years went on. He's 35 and has been a teacher for 11 years. He started getting inked at age 27. There are several interviews with him in which he mentions that he went to teach outside of France for a couple of years and that's where he fell in love with ink (London) and began. All future teachers have part of their exam in front of a live jury representing the regional academy, have to go through medical exams, etc. The files are quite precise and you meet people from the academy throughout your internship and formation year. The assessment is lengthy and thorough before you're placed with an age group from everything I've heard in my social circle (filled with public teachers). He wasn't blindly placed. He started getting inked and gradually got more as time went on after entering the national education. My guess is that his eye modification is what eventually led to parents filing complaints.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 12:39:54 GMT
I don't think I'd even want to look at this face all day either let alone a child facing it. I bet he didn't have any facial tats either when he taught at a private school in London. Private schools in the UK are very strict on appearance and dress code for their staff.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 29, 2020 13:17:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 13:37:11 GMT
Of course the lighting in the photo makes him look as sinister as Lucifer with a bad hangover...
I can see both sides. I can see where a toddler (3 year old) could and would be totally freaked out. I think it was the right move to move the teacher to a classroom with older children who can understand the concept of judging a person by looks only.
Another thought - this is the type of thing where things like racism start and needs to be nipped in the bud when kids are young. It's the only way society is going to change their view of people who look different from what they see in the mirror.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 13:56:21 GMT
I had no idea that you could tattoo your tongue or that anyone would even want to.
I think if you willingly alter your appearance to be shocking then you shouldn't be surprised when people are shocked.
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peabay
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Post by peabay on Sept 29, 2020 14:19:53 GMT
Of course the lighting in the photo makes him look as sinister as Lucifer with a bad hangover... I can see both sides. I can see where a toddler (3 year old) could and would be totally freaked out. I think it was the right move to move the teacher to a classroom with older child who can understand the concept of judging a person by looks only. This is the type of thing where things like racism start and needs to be nipped in the bud when kids are young. It's the only way society is going to change their view of people who look different from what they see in the mirror. I don't know if I agree about comparing it to racism. I absolutely see what you mean, but people of color don't choose their skin color. This is a choice so it's not as cut and dried as "people who look different." I agree that it may make some kids more tolerant of differences but there's something (to piggyback on elaine) choosing to make yourself "unreadable" that sits weirdly with me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:24:12 GMT
I wouldn't hire him. At least not in any position that would interface with the public. Probably not at all because he is a distraction.
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scorpeao
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Post by scorpeao on Sept 29, 2020 14:26:34 GMT
way to scary for children.
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Post by busy on Sept 29, 2020 14:28:20 GMT
Probably not at all because he is a distraction. This feels like a slippery slope to me. Is a beautiful woman a distraction? Someone with a visible disability? Yes, I understand that his appearance is voluntary. But not hiring people or limiting their job functions based on their appearance doesn't feel great to me. (Said by someone who worked in banking with a super strict dress/personal appearance dress code and abided by it.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:31:09 GMT
Sorry - this is something he did intentionally. For attention I would imagine. He's a distraction. It's not the same as a disability.
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