RedSquirrelUK
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 29, 2020 15:09:12 GMT
I can't work out where "homophobic" and "racist" come into this.
He chose to turn his appearance permanently into a horror film extra, and now he's wondering why he scares small children. That, by itself, shows a lack of perception that indicates that he probably shouldn't be teaching small children.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 29, 2020 15:18:27 GMT
I think they were incredibly generous to move him instead of firing him. The hired him with a lot of tattoos - it wouldn’t seem right to now fire him for them. We can agree to disagree. While he may have had some tattoos, his appearance changed significantly over the years. When you tattoo your face and eyeballs - it's a big different. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 29, 2020 15:24:55 GMT
He scared me!
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to feel the way parent did.
It’s one thing to say that people should not focus on appearance as a test to character and demeanor, but it’s different to focus on appearance if you are physically disfigured or handicapped vs choosing to have artworks on every inch of your body!
No, it’s not fair to judge a book by the cover and only in physical appearance.
One cannot expect a small child to understand going past a fearful appearance. It would only come with exposure to it being normal.
People are scared to death of clowns, of monsters in movies, etc.
Villains and bad guys are pieties tatted up men...until one stops doing that, we cannot expect smaller children to welcome a fully tatted up guy who looks scary, as an appreciative art work or a kind gentle person!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 29, 2020 15:36:56 GMT
Because this is a discussion involving French education I do feel it my duty to come back in and clarify things.
The tolerance debate is a pillar of French society. It goes back centuries and is intertwined with the French Enlightenment movement (les Lumières) of the 18th century which was the spark for the French Revolution. The Revolution then led to the secularisation of the country and, in turn, to the national education system the country now has. When Hélaine brings up homophobia, racism, views on disability in parallel to his tattoos, it is not to play victimhood but to underline the importance of teaching tolerance. He happens to do it in a rather unorthodox fashion.
And one more time for people in the back: none of his own pupils or their parents have ever complained in 10+ years of teaching. That says something about how he communicates about his look and despite his look.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 29, 2020 15:37:38 GMT
@dottyscrapper that pic should be inside a spoiler box to give people casually scrolling through the option of looking at it or not. The up close pic of that dude with his eyes wide open is creepy AF. Just saying.
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Post by sam9 on Sept 29, 2020 15:39:59 GMT
He’s made himself into a monster. There are much easier and better ways for children to learn to be accepting of all people. My 14 year old son would be having nightmares. He’s still upset at me for having shown him the pics. It’s the eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 15:41:55 GMT
@dottyscrapper that pic should be inside a spoiler box to give people casually scrolling through the option of looking at it or not. The up close pic of that dude with his eyes wide open is creepy AF. Just saying. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't think. How do I put it in a spoiler or maybe better still should I remove it? I've removed it crazy4scraps. |
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Post by librarylady on Sept 29, 2020 15:49:00 GMT
@dottyscrapper, I think you can edit your post and then make the photo a spoiler alert.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 29, 2020 16:24:52 GMT
I think full body tattoos (like sleeeves) on men and women are hawt, LOL, in a bad boy way. I don't care if you cover every square inch of your body in a tattoo. But the eyes are off-putting, and they scare ME. And I would think it would be very scary to a child. It's unfortunate his choice has effected his job, but if he had tattooed a Nazi swatzca (I can't spell) on his forehead, would he have been asked to cover it or not even hired?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 16:40:10 GMT
@dottyscrapper , I think you can edit your post and then make the photo a spoiler alert. No worries but thanks. It wasn't a very nice photo to look at anyhow on reflection so I'll just leave it out. |
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Post by pjaye on Sept 29, 2020 17:02:21 GMT
And one more time for people in the back I know your French self thinks you are superior to the rest of us idiots who don't seem to understand your explanation, the point is we aren't talking about "the French education system" and how it works nor how teachers are placed etc. That's not the point of the discussion here. I think most of us get it, you've explained it simple language for us all. We are talking about our OWN reactions and our own opinions on how this man looks and our perception of how children will react to him. I understand that in France it may not be possible to fire him on how he looks, and that the little French children are perfectly OK with being taught by a man who looks like a hollow eyed demon, BUT that does not change my reaction when I say "oh hell no/I'd want him fired", From your front row seat, are you not able to understand the difference between someone's own thoughts and opinions versus what may or may not be legally possible? |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 29, 2020 17:30:18 GMT
And one more time for people in the back I know your French self thinks you are superior to the rest of us idiots  |
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Post by pjaye on Sept 29, 2020 17:34:23 GMT
I see you reinforced my point...thanks
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 29, 2020 18:05:23 GMT
@dottyscrapper that pic should be inside a spoiler box to give people casually scrolling through the option of looking at it or not. The up close pic of that dude with his eyes wide open is creepy AF. Just saying. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't think. How do I put it in a spoiler or maybe better still should I remove it? I've removed it crazy4scraps . Above the thread where all the tag stuff is, there is an emoji at the far right with a little thing (hand, maybe?) over the mouth. Click on that and it will bring up a spoiler box that you can paste the content into. You can see it in your post but other have to click on it. Then when people see your message, they have to click on the box to open it and see. Like this: Taa daa! 😳 😱 LOL. |
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Post by pierogi on Sept 29, 2020 19:08:24 GMT
His tattoo artwork reminds of of " Song of the Sea" (which I HIGHLY recommend!). That said, he looks scary af! Pure nightmare fuel for little kids who would have a difficult time understanding it. I love that movie so so much.  Highly recommend it, along with the filmmakers' "Secret of Kells." The music is fantastic: I'm a big fan of Kila. My DH said there's a 3rd movie coming soon, but I haven't heard much about it yet. |
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Post by maryland on Sept 29, 2020 21:46:52 GMT
I thought the school was wrong until I looked at the pictures. I understand why they did it. I do think it could scare many children.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 30, 2020 5:15:02 GMT
but if he had tattooed a Nazi swatzca (I can't spell) on his forehead, would he have been asked to cover it or not even hired? You can't teach or hold a public function in France with a symbol or sign linked to nazism or any movement inciting to hatred and/or causing offense. |
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Post by julieinsweden on Sept 30, 2020 11:34:48 GMT
His appearance scares me let alone kids.
Kudos to him demonstrating that one should not judge a book by its cover. But he has gone too far for little kids. Older kids would think he is badass.
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Post by katiekaty on Sept 30, 2020 17:12:25 GMT
Nah. They did what needed to be done without letting him go.
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RosieKat
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Post by RosieKat on Sept 30, 2020 19:47:22 GMT
I think he could be quite scary to little children looking like that. I also think his employment options are going to be limited going forward. I am all for personal freedom, but there are sometimes consequences that you don't always foresee. Same. We’re talking about six-year-olds. Of course they’d be frightened. There are many ways of teaching little kids about accepting others who are different without scaring the beejesus out of them. I thought it was going to be something, well, not what the photo actually depicted. I can see how small children (even older children and adults) might be frightened by him. He chose to alter his appearance of his own free will. Now I guess he'll need to live with the consequences of that decision. He could be the very best and nicest teacher anywhere. However his appearance is always going to make someone squirm. He can do whatever he wants - his body, his choice. But choices have consequences. We may not like them, may not agree with them, but they do. I agree with all of these. His choices to make, his consequences to deal with. It sounds like he has the passion to teach, which is wonderful, but maybe he needed to think about how that passion and the tattoo passion meshed (or not). And I, too, opened the article prepared to be outraged, but, well, maybe not so much. In addition to the black sclera, I think face and head tattoos are not as generally accepted as body tattoos. I know they always kind of give me pause, because it's just not how I expect to see someone's face. (I don't mean I think less of them or anything, I just am not as used to them, and we also have an innate sense of how a face should look that can get thrown off by seeing tattoos.) |
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Post by zella on Oct 1, 2020 0:24:18 GMT
He knew what he wanted to do - teach elementary school - yet he did this? I have no sympathy. Not only are the whites of his eyes tatooed black, so is his tongue. Just lovely. Enough to give the parents nightmares, not just the kids.
I don't think it's an age thing; I think most people including those who are heavily tattooed, would not cover their faces and blacken their eyes and tongue.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 1, 2020 15:02:55 GMT
I am not joking - I had a dream last night and this guy was in it. I woke up drenched in sweat and just couldnt go back to sleep!  ETA: I watched the youtube clip someone posted up thread and thought "man he's actually got a pleasant personality... it's just his eyes that are so distracting." |
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Highly recommend it, along with the filmmakers' "Secret of Kells." The music is fantastic: I'm a big fan of Kila.
