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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 2, 2020 18:52:28 GMT
I'm so jealous of Germans. If only there was a word in English to express my satisfaction over someone else's misfortune.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 2, 2020 18:52:45 GMT
I’d say mostly stupid not innocent. I’m so DAMN TIRED of people reporting they tested “out of an abundance of caution.” So noble and self-congratulatory. How ‘bout you tested out of just plain old caution? or fear? or “Oh, shit!” How ‘bout you apply that same noble abundance of caution to your interactions with others in your daily lives? I’ve posted about this before - this thread and others - but this WH policy of dropping precautions because of negative tests has always been doomed. It’s simple: people who test negative should be allowed to enter with precautions. What medical expert helped them devise “You may enter, remove your mask and sit in a chair inches from gobs of people you don’t know because we’ve never ever heard of the concept of false negatives in the first few days after transmission. Have a good day.” I give the president of Notre Dame credit for admitting to his community that he royally screwed up. And I give him an eensy bit of slack for falling victim to this cockeyed screening process and peer pressure. But how ironic in a guy who has been grappling with these exact same effects of peer pressure and Covid among his own partying student body. Walk the walk, Father. And get your act together, White House. None of you is noble. YES, the only abundance is stupidity. Harumph!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 2, 2020 18:53:20 GMT
Just read that Amy Coney Barrett had COVID in August, I was thinking she'd have to quarantine for 14 days and that might impact confirmation schedule, now I'm not sure. I'll have to lookup the CDC recommendations for those who've already had the virus, I know there's information on waning immunity, but not sure it's just a few weeks.
ETA CDC says if you had COVID within the last 3 months and have recovered, you don't need to quarantine if exposed to someone.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 2, 2020 18:53:41 GMT
Concerning Mike Lee, "we should take his health care away like he tried to with 9/11 first responders."
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 2, 2020 18:56:30 GMT
"It’s the latest trend in being conservative. All the best people are doing it."
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 2, 2020 18:58:16 GMT
"Well, at least no one can say he doesn't try to emulate his master in every way." in reference to Mike Lee
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 2, 2020 19:00:44 GMT
"I tested negative for sympathy."
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 2, 2020 19:15:38 GMT
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Oct 2, 2020 19:16:58 GMT
So Larry Kudlow just said on FOX that trump has “moderate” symptoms. That’s a lot different from “mild” symptoms.
Everyone knows trump is a germaphobe so this must be doing a number on his psyche.
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Post by Mel on Oct 2, 2020 19:19:35 GMT
"There's nothing positive about it," conservative strategist and MSNBC political analyst Rick Tyler said of the test result. "Politically speaking, there’s no upside for him because it fundamentally undermines his central re-election message, which is: The coronavirus is under control, we’ve turned the corner and the economy is re-emergent. ... None of that is true — we haven’t turned the corner."
Geeeee... ya think!?
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Oct 2, 2020 19:20:40 GMT
Read this thread
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Post by smasonnc on Oct 2, 2020 19:28:06 GMT
You people are sick and disgusting. 205k people dead and WE’RE the disgusting ones. I’m sure it will be a mild case, thus no big deal, even though he has multiple risk factors—elderly, obese, low income. This whole thing strikes me as misdirection. Just when taxes, tapes, a disastrous debate are the headlines, he and Melania test positive. How long until he makes a miraculous recovery and credits hydroxychloroquine?
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 2, 2020 19:32:48 GMT
You people are sick and disgusting. 205k people dead and WE’RE the disgusting ones. I’m sure it will be a mild case, thus no big deal, even though he has multiple risk factors—elderly, obese, low income. This whole thing strikes me as misdirection. Just when taxes, tapes, a disastrous debate are the headlines, he and Melania test positive. How long until he makes a miraculous recovery and credits hydroxychloroquine?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 19:41:10 GMT
Ugh, I had written out a long reply and then my window closed and I lost it all. So the short version. The outcome of Aesop's "Boy Who Cried Wolf" was the WOLF ATE THE SHEEP. It's not just a warning against lying, it's a warning of how to handle threats in the presence of liars. The lesson is not believe the liar is lying, that way leaves all of us with dead sheep. So while I understand why the thoughts cross people's mind, and the impact of all the previous gaslighting and lying, the outcome of this scenario is serious enough that we have to be the serious ones. Our conspiracies will damage the integrity and the security of the US just like theirs do. Which I know is hard to do because we can't do anything about anything. And yeah, it's becoming obvious that the super-spreading event was Amy Coney Barrett's nominating event on Saturday. Which means that the Trumps were in the window of being infectious during the debate. They endangered the health of not only the Bidens and Chris Wallace but all the essential workers responsible for the security and production of the debate. This whole thing is a national security issue, and this is another example of how this President and this Administration has endangered this country and its citizens. They all need to be held accountable for that. The impact of this specific COVID-19 incident is lessened if people believe it's just fake news. We can't simultaneously express the danger they put other people in this week, while also believing he's not really infected. I think most people believe it now, 8 hours later with far more information. Most of what was said at the beginning of this thread was posted when, apart from the tweet very little detail was known. It was very much an initial reaction to that tweet based on his past actions when things get too hot to handle for him. He has a long habit of deflection.
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2020 19:45:52 GMT
If Trump is well enough to be watching the news, all the coverage that highlights that he is obese is driving him nuts.
Dh said that maybe he is only watching FOX news, but Trump has shown himself to be addicted to all news channels’ coverage of him, so I’m sure CNN is on (if he is watching t.v.).
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 2, 2020 19:50:31 GMT
If Trump is well enough to be watching the news, all the coverage that highlights that he is obese is driving him nuts. Dh said that maybe he is only watching FOX news, but Trump has shown himself to be addicted to all news channels’ coverage of him, so I’m sure CNN is on (if he is watching t.v.). I was thinking the same thing, I was listening to the Today show this am and I swear they mentioned that he was morbidly obese about 6 times!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 2, 2020 19:56:01 GMT
Just read that Amy Coney Barrett had COVID in August, I was thinking she'd have to quarantine for 14 days and that might impact confirmation schedule, now I'm not sure. I'll have to lookup the CDC recommendations for those who've already had the virus, I know there's information on waning immunity, but not sure it's just a few weeks. ETA CDC says if you had COVID within the last 3 months and have recovered, you don't need to quarantine if exposed to someone. I heard on the radio (news station, don't remember what one- MSNBC?) that the Senate Judiciary Committee agreed they wouldn't do any work via Zoom, though. It would have to be done in person. So doesn't Senator Mike Lee being positive impact the confirmation schedule??
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Oct 2, 2020 19:57:12 GMT
I hope they foolishly keep Pence on the road and this happens:
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Post by dillydally on Oct 2, 2020 19:58:27 GMT
I’d say mostly stupid not innocent. I’m so DAMN TIRED of people reporting they tested “out of an abundance of caution.” So noble and self-congratulatory. How ‘bout you tested out of just plain old caution? or fear? or “Oh, shit!” How ‘bout you apply that same noble abundance of caution to your interactions with others in your daily lives? I’ve posted about this before - this thread and others - but this WH policy of dropping precautions because of negative tests has always been doomed. It’s simple: people who test negative should be allowed to enter with precautions. What medical expert helped them devise “You may enter, remove your mask and sit in a chair inches from gobs of people you don’t know because we’ve never ever heard of the concept of false negatives in the first few days after transmission. Have a good day.” I give the president of Notre Dame credit for admitting to his community that he royally screwed up. And I give him an eensy bit of slack for falling victim to this cockeyed screening process and peer pressure. But how ironic in a guy who has been grappling with these exact same effects of peer pressure and Covid among his own partying student body. Walk the walk, Father. And get your act together, White House. None of you is noble. YES, the only abundance is stupidity. Harumph! You are being more generous that I with Notre Dame's president. I work at a college (and my son is a freshman), and the "shared responsibility" of wearing a mask is repeated over and over, as I assume is happening at ND. He should have worn the mask and (if pressed for a reason), said that he needs to be a consistent example to his students, and his students need to be his priority, not the WH's desire to show maskless attendees. I actually give more slack to Trump because I think he is an idiot.
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Post by pyccku on Oct 2, 2020 20:00:01 GMT
Just read that Amy Coney Barrett had COVID in August, I was thinking she'd have to quarantine for 14 days and that might impact confirmation schedule, now I'm not sure. I'll have to lookup the CDC recommendations for those who've already had the virus, I know there's information on waning immunity, but not sure it's just a few weeks. ETA CDC says if you had COVID within the last 3 months and have recovered, you don't need to quarantine if exposed to someone. I heard on the radio (news station, don't remember what one- MSNBC?) that the Senate Judiciary Committee agreed they wouldn't do any work via Zoom, though. It would have to be done in person. So doesn't Senator Mike Lee being positive impact the confirmation schedule??If they have to vote in person and a few R senators end up quarantined, they may not have the votes before nov 3. In that case, I would say that RBG is sending a message: I told you to wait until after the election and you didn’t listen.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 2, 2020 20:05:01 GMT
from a Boston Globe article about it- apparently it's the Democrats who don't want anything to happen virtually, rightfully so, and McConnell and Lindsay Graham have already said they want to go full-steam ahead with the hearings. But Lee has only said he'll quarantine for 10 days; the CDC says it should be 14 days; AND, we don't even know if he'll have bad symptoms and may be sick for (maybe a lot) longer than that. And we don't even know the extent of all the people who are infected at this point. “The unfortunate news about the infection of our colleague Senator Mike Lee makes even more clear that health and safety must guide the schedule for all Senate activities, including hearings,” the Democrats said.They signaled that Democrats would not consent to a “virtual” hearing for such a consequential nomination, saying that it is not an “appropriate substitute.”The senators said that it is “critical that Chairman Graham put the health of senators, the nominee, and staff first — and ensure a full and fair hearing that is not rushed, not truncated, and not virtual. Otherwise this already illegitimate process will become a dangerous one.”Darcy Collins , the article I saw said the CDC still recommends that people who have already been infected quarantine again, due to the uncertainty of antibodies protecting them and the timeframe for that. eta: the CDC website says: "There are no confirmed reports to date of a person being reinfected with COVID-19 within 3 months of initial infection. However, additional research is ongoing. Therefore, if a person who has recovered from COVID-19 has new symptoms of COVID-19, the person may need an evaluation for reinfection, especially if the person has had close contact with someone infected with COVID-19. The person should isolate and contact a healthcare provider to be evaluated for other causes of their symptoms, and possibly retested." ^^^ I think the article is taking this to mean that ACB should isolate, because she had contact with Lee. But we don't know if she has any new symptoms or not.
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 2, 2020 20:09:30 GMT
You people are sick and disgusting. 205k people dead and WE’RE the disgusting ones. I’m sure it will be a mild case, thus no big deal, even though he has multiple risk factors—elderly, obese, low income. This whole thing strikes me as misdirection. Just when taxes, tapes, a disastrous debate are the headlines, he and Melania test positive. How long until he makes a miraculous recovery and credits hydroxychloroquine? *snort* low income. 😅
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Post by peasquared on Oct 2, 2020 20:12:23 GMT
I’d say mostly stupid not innocent. I’m so DAMN TIRED of people reporting they tested “out of an abundance of caution.” So noble and self-congratulatory. How ‘bout you tested out of just plain old caution? or fear? or “Oh, shit!” How ‘bout you apply that same noble abundance of caution to your interactions with others in your daily lives? I’ve posted about this before - this thread and others - but this WH policy of dropping precautions because of negative tests has always been doomed. It’s simple: people who test negative should be allowed to enter with precautions. What medical expert helped them devise “You may enter, remove your mask and sit in a chair inches from gobs of people you don’t know because we’ve never ever heard of the concept of false negatives in the first few days after transmission. Have a good day.” I give the president of Notre Dame credit for admitting to his community that he royally screwed up. And I give him an eensy bit of slack for falling victim to this cockeyed screening process and peer pressure. But how ironic in a guy who has been grappling with these exact same effects of peer pressure and Covid among his own partying student body. Walk the walk, Father. And get your act together, White House. None of you is noble. YES, the only abundance is stupidity. Harumph! If I, an average housewife in the middle of nowhere, am aware that the tests used at the White House are NOT always reliable, he should have. For goodness sake, wear a mask!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 2, 2020 20:13:45 GMT
from a Boston Globe article about it- apparently it's the Democrats who don't want anything to happen virtually, rightfully so, and McConnell and Lindsay Graham have already said they want to go full-steam ahead with the hearings. But Lee has only said he'll quarantine for 10 days; the CDC says it should be 14 days; AND, we don't even know if he'll have bad symptoms and may be sick for (maybe a lot) longer than that. And we don't even know the extent of all the people who are infected at this point. “The unfortunate news about the infection of our colleague Senator Mike Lee makes even more clear that health and safety must guide the schedule for all Senate activities, including hearings,” the Democrats said.They signaled that Democrats would not consent to a “virtual” hearing for such a consequential nomination, saying that it is not an “appropriate substitute.”The senators said that it is “critical that Chairman Graham put the health of senators, the nominee, and staff first — and ensure a full and fair hearing that is not rushed, not truncated, and not virtual. Otherwise this already illegitimate process will become a dangerous one.”Darcy Collins , the article I saw said the CDC still recommends that people who have already been infected quarantine again, due to the uncertainty of antibodies protecting them and the timeframe for that. eta: the CDC website says: "There are no confirmed reports to date of a person being reinfected with COVID-19 within 3 months of initial infection. However, additional research is ongoing. Therefore, if a person who has recovered from COVID-19 has new symptoms of COVID-19, the person may need an evaluation for reinfection, especially if the person has had close contact with someone infected with COVID-19. The person should isolate and contact a healthcare provider to be evaluated for other causes of their symptoms, and possibly retested." ^^^ I think the article is taking this to mean that ACB should isolate, because she had contact with Lee. But we don't know if she has any new symptoms or not. From the CDC website: For Anyone Who Has Been Around a Person with COVID-19 Anyone who has had close contact with someone with COVID-19 should stay home for 14 days after their last exposure to that person. However, anyone who has had close contact with someone with COVID-19 and who meets the following criteria does NOT need to stay home.
Has COVID-19 illness within the previous 3 months and
Has recovered and
Remains without COVID-19 symptoms (for example, cough, shortness of breath)
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 2, 2020 20:14:51 GMT
ahh- I think the article was looking at the 'been around someone...' and not paying attention to the 'symptoms' part.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 2, 2020 20:16:26 GMT
from a Boston Globe article about it- apparently it's the Democrats who don't want anything to happen virtually, rightfully so, and McConnell and Lindsay Graham have already said they want to go full-steam ahead with the hearings. But Lee has only said he'll quarantine for 10 days; the CDC says it should be 14 days; AND, we don't even know if he'll have bad symptoms and may be sick for (maybe a lot) longer than that. And we don't even know the extent of all the people who are infected at this point. “The unfortunate news about the infection of our colleague Senator Mike Lee makes even more clear that health and safety must guide the schedule for all Senate activities, including hearings,” the Democrats said.They signaled that Democrats would not consent to a “virtual” hearing for such a consequential nomination, saying that it is not an “appropriate substitute.”The senators said that it is “critical that Chairman Graham put the health of senators, the nominee, and staff first — and ensure a full and fair hearing that is not rushed, not truncated, and not virtual. Otherwise this already illegitimate process will become a dangerous one.”Darcy Collins , the article I saw said the CDC still recommends that people who have already been infected quarantine again, due to the uncertainty of antibodies protecting them and the timeframe for that. eta: the CDC website says: "There are no confirmed reports to date of a person being reinfected with COVID-19 within 3 months of initial infection. However, additional research is ongoing. Therefore, if a person who has recovered from COVID-19 has new symptoms of COVID-19, the person may need an evaluation for reinfection, especially if the person has had close contact with someone infected with COVID-19. The person should isolate and contact a healthcare provider to be evaluated for other causes of their symptoms, and possibly retested." ^^^ I think the article is taking this to mean that ACB should isolate, because she had contact with Lee. But we don't know if she has any new symptoms or not. CDC recommends 10 days if you test positive if you have no fever for 24 hours. It's 14 days if you are isolating, because of contact and don't test.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Oct 2, 2020 20:17:23 GMT
According to Sanjay Gupta, this may be trial meds that have not been fully tested.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 2, 2020 20:19:56 GMT
daily aspirin is because of heart attack / stroke risk. I had to start taking aspirin after having my stroke. Has he always taken a daily aspirin? (we still don't know what the secret trip to Walter Reed was about...)
Is it horrible to say that I hope what he's been given is NOT the newly- promising medication they're studying in France? I don't want that research to have to be wasted on his orange bloated awfulness.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 2, 2020 20:22:06 GMT
I’m sure it will be a mild case, thus no big deal, even though he has multiple risk factors—elderly, obese, low income. Bold part made me cackle. I thank you.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2020 20:22:57 GMT
205k people dead and WE’RE the disgusting ones. I’m sure it will be a mild case, thus no big deal, even though he has multiple risk factors—elderly, obese, low income. This whole thing strikes me as misdirection. Just when taxes, tapes, a disastrous debate are the headlines, he and Melania test positive. How long until he makes a miraculous recovery and credits hydroxychloroquine? *snort* low income. 😅 Maybe we should stress this LOUD and clear since he pays little or no fed taxes.
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