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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2020 15:46:48 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2020 15:51:27 GMT
Joking? I dunno.
Close to the election yes...but there are still 2-1/2 months of him in office after the election.
Interesting part of the 25th...
“an important detail: If a 25th Amendment process were triggered, Congress could appoint a "body," or a board of medical experts, or other people, to give an opinion about the fitness of the president.
That might add legitimacy to all this in the midst of a crisis: The leaders of the Cabinet and the Congress could officially cite the diagnosis of a psychiatrist or other specialists.”
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 8, 2020 15:57:32 GMT
I hope it's true, actually- honestly, I think it's looooonnnng overdue.
This close to the election, it'll probably be looked at as somehow trying to influence the election. But especially after the last couple days of tweets, written by him, that contradict things he himself wrote not hours before-- ?!?!? This is not how a rational human acts, let alone the leader of a country.
(of course, it's nothing NEW for him and they've let him get this far, but...)
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Post by pinklady on Oct 8, 2020 15:57:54 GMT
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Post by julie5 on Oct 8, 2020 16:02:51 GMT
I hope it's true, actually- honestly, I think it's looooonnnng overdue. This close to the election, it'll probably be looked at as somehow trying to influence the election. But especially after the last couple days of tweets, written by him, that contradict things he himself wrote not hours before-- ?!?!? This is not how a rational human acts, let alone the leader of a country. (of course, it's nothing NEW for him and they've let him get this far, but...) Which is why I think he’s faking the illness-to trigger this type of reaction so he can scream About how the Democrats are “coming after” him. He’s a fucking lunatic. I need to deactivate Facebook but I just keep going back for more punishment. I’m so ready for Election Day.
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Post by sueg on Oct 8, 2020 16:05:07 GMT
Serious question. Does invoking the 25th require a Senate vote? If so, will it actually happen?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 8, 2020 16:06:31 GMT
I hope it's true, actually- honestly, I think it's looooonnnng overdue. This close to the election, it'll probably be looked at as somehow trying to influence the election. But especially after the last couple days of tweets, written by him, that contradict things he himself wrote not hours before-- ?!?!? This is not how a rational human acts, let alone the leader of a country. (of course, it's nothing NEW for him and they've let him get this far, but...) Which is why I think he’s faking the illness-to trigger this type of reaction so he can scream About how the Democrats are “coming after” him. He’s a fucking lunatic. I need to deactivate Facebook but I just keep going back for more punishment. I’m so ready for Election Day. maybe if they talk seriously about the 25th Amendment, he'd actually tell the truth? "I'm not sick, I was never sick, I'm fine" sort of thing?? Which, in and of itself, is grounds to get him the hell out... I can dream, can't I??
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 8, 2020 16:07:24 GMT
It won’t happen. The VP and cabinet officials are the ones who trigger the action. Does anyone really think Pence and Trump's cabinet will do that?
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Post by hop2 on Oct 8, 2020 16:25:06 GMT
It won’t happen. The VP and cabinet officials are the ones who trigger the action. Does anyone really think Pence and Trump's cabinet will do that? pence doesn't have the balls to initiate the 25th amendment
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 8, 2020 16:59:48 GMT
It won’t happen. The VP and cabinet officials are the ones who trigger the action. Does anyone really think Pence and Trump's cabinet will do that? pence doesn't have the balls to initiate the 25th amendment And Pence is a loyal soldier of the GOP. He knows that someday there won’t be a Trump, but there’ll still be a party. And he’ll need that party if and when he runs in 2024.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2020 17:44:13 GMT
Serious question. Does invoking the 25th require a Senate vote? If so, will it actually happen? In normal circumstances, it requires 2/3 vote. But if both are blue come November...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2020 17:44:56 GMT
It won’t happen. The VP and cabinet officials are the ones who trigger the action. Does anyone really think Pence and Trump's cabinet will do that? I was reading that Congress can also enact action.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 8, 2020 17:45:27 GMT
Serious question. Does invoking the 25th require a Senate vote? If so, will it actually happen? In normal circumstances, it requires 2/3 vote. But if both are blue come November... when do the new Senate and House members get seated? before Inauguration Day, right? but when, exactly? (I know I could just go look it up, but... lol)
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Post by inkedup on Oct 8, 2020 17:49:50 GMT
This is ridiculous. They've had 4 years to talk about the 25th and haven't done it.
This will look like a desperate stunt and I can't say I disagree.
I think Trump is unfit and dangerous, and this plays right into the "Democrats will do ANYTHING" to keep him out of power narrative he has pushed from day one.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 8, 2020 17:54:34 GMT
This is ridiculous. They've had 4 years to talk about the 25th and haven't done it. This will look like a desperate stunt and I can't say I disagree. I think Trump is unfit and dangerous, and this plays right into the "Democrats will do ANYTHING" to keep him out of power narrative he has pushed from day one. This plays right into his hands - it makes zero sense to me.
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Post by mom on Oct 8, 2020 17:57:53 GMT
This is ridiculous. They've had 4 years to talk about the 25th and haven't done it. This will look like a desperate stunt and I can't say I disagree. I think Trump is unfit and dangerous, and this plays right into the "Democrats will do ANYTHING" to keep him out of power narrative he has pushed from day one. I absolutely agree. This will give his base more ammo.
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 8, 2020 17:58:46 GMT
Congress and Senate are seated January 3.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 8, 2020 17:59:00 GMT
It won’t happen. The VP and cabinet officials are the ones who trigger the action. Does anyone really think Pence and Trump's cabinet will do that? I was reading that Congress can also enact action. No. The amendment does not state Vice President OR… It states: Vice President AND… Even if Congress creates “such other body” as they are authorized by law, there’s no invocation of the 25th without the express agreement of the VP. His assent is required on the declaration submitted to Congress.
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Post by cade387 on Oct 8, 2020 17:59:15 GMT
In normal circumstances, it requires 2/3 vote. But if both are blue come November... when do the new Senate and House members get seated? before Inauguration Day, right? but when, exactly? (I know I could just go look it up, but... lol) The one I went to was January 6th I think? Was about two weeks before the president
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Post by papersilly on Oct 8, 2020 18:23:16 GMT
This is ridiculous. They've had 4 years to talk about the 25th and haven't done it. This will look like a desperate stunt and I can't say I disagree. I think Trump is unfit and dangerous, and this plays right into the "Democrats will do ANYTHING" to keep him out of power narrative he has pushed from day one. i totally agree. this is not the time to excite Trump's base with threats to take their leader away. we are 26 days away from the election. i am confidant we can remove him then. i think we just need to keep our noses to the grindstone and get out the vote. the Dems need to lay low and let the GOP implode with no help from them. we can't keep feeding their "they've tried to remove him since the day after the 2016 Election and haven't succeeded...." rhetoric.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 8, 2020 18:26:28 GMT
of course, the 25th Amendment also talks about illness and other things besides just 'removing' the President. So it could be some perfectly reasonable discussion that they're going to have, given the circumstances that Trump was (supposedly) COVID-positive.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 8, 2020 18:51:48 GMT
of course, the 25th Amendment also talks about illness and other things besides just 'removing' the President. So it could be some perfectly reasonable discussion that they're going to have, given the circumstances that Trump was (supposedly) COVID-positive. Pelosi has had FOUR years to invoke the 25th or even mention it. And, if this was really about presidential illness, this should/would have been mentioned during Trump's hospitalization. At this point, it looks like a desperate move and that's exactly what Trump and his base will call it. I am as sick of Nancy Pelosi's bs as I am of Trump's, to be honest. Obviously, Trump is completely dangerous and deranged, but Pelosi has always been little more than a talking head. I wrote to her for YEARS as a constituent regarding various issues, and never received more than a form letter in response. She lost me completely when she towed Bush's line during the TARP bailout and sent a condescending form letter that basically said, "I know you think you know what's good for you, but I know better." I think we have an obligation to call bullshit on our own side as quickly as we call it on the right, or we lose credibility. This is a stupid move and I'm pissed it's even being mentioned. If Pelosi really wanted to help desperate Americans, she and the Dems would cook up something ground breaking, like a one page bill that just said "x amount of dollars for each American". But nope. Both sides gotta stuff that bill full of pork while regular Americans lose their livelihoods.
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Post by mom on Oct 8, 2020 19:10:04 GMT
of course, the 25th Amendment also talks about illness and other things besides just 'removing' the President. So it could be some perfectly reasonable discussion that they're going to have, given the circumstances that Trump was (supposedly) COVID-positive. Even if she was wanting to discuss something other than removing him (she doesn't), she is wanting the idea out that she is going to get him removed. She's wanting Twitter and the media to pick it up and run with it. Damage is still being done.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 8, 2020 19:13:17 GMT
of course, the 25th Amendment also talks about illness and other things besides just 'removing' the President. So it could be some perfectly reasonable discussion that they're going to have, given the circumstances that Trump was (supposedly) COVID-positive. Even if she was wanting to discuss something other than removing him (she doesn't), she is wanting the idea out that she is going to get him removed. She's wanting Twitter and the media to pick it up and run with it. Damage is still being done. Yes. And it's disingenuous and ridiculous to play this game at this point. I am just as pissed at Pelosi for floating this as I am at Trump and Co. I guess I am just pissed in general. I'm sick of the lip service. Yesterday, our friends had to make the decision to close their restaurant for good. They are devastated in so many ways. Regular people are losing jobs, homes and dreams....and these assholes are playing politics as usual. Once Trump is out, I will be FIRMLY committed to voting the rest of the lifelong do nothings like Pelosi out, too.
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Post by nlwilkins on Oct 8, 2020 20:27:40 GMT
Pelosi is playing Trump's game. It won't work. It's too late. Trump has inoculated his support against such a move and the Dems would only loose votes if she tries this.
As was said, they had four years to use this card but didn't. They had four years to impeach Trump, but waited on Mueller and expected him to do it for them. They lost my respect when they just sat on their thumbs and waited for someone else to do it all for them. They had four years to gather info instead they let Trump run the show. They put all their hopes on Mueller and he would not play that game. It's too late now to try to get rid of Trump that way.
If Trump refuses to admit defeat after an election, let the military handle it and then let us think of getting some new Congress members, Democrat and Republican, that will do what needs to be done to get this country working again.
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Post by spitfiregirl on Oct 8, 2020 20:37:16 GMT
I think Pelosi's is doing it to rattle Trumps cage. They wont 5150 him. I do think he is not safe to be around, health wise and I think this makes him a danger. This is different then his regular nut job self. He is on meds that induce wierd shit. So it isn't like other times in the past 4 years
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2020 23:00:26 GMT
I was reading that Congress can also enact action. No. The amendment does not state Vice President OR… It states: Vice President AND… Even if Congress creates “such other body” as they are authorized by law, there’s no invocation of the 25th without the express agreement of the VP. His assent is required on the declaration submitted to Congress. Oh that definitely won’t happen!!!
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Oct 8, 2020 23:16:58 GMT
Did you see this retweet by Chris Nethery...pretty sure Chris did not mean this as donald took it
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 9, 2020 2:53:45 GMT
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Post by scrappymeg on Oct 10, 2020 5:26:07 GMT
This bill is entirely about electioneering: its so Pelosi can go to the party's big dollar donors and the activist groups and claim they "did something" when they actually did nothing, and some congressional sponsors can tout to their constituents that they did everything they could to stop Trump. I think this is a politically stupid move for several reasons. First off, it doesn't exactly exude confidence that the 2020 election is going to go their way - even though the polls certainly suggest it will. Also, in my opinion, it won't win Biden any more votes that he hasn't already gotten, while it will excite Trump's voters and other Republicans who may have been feeling demoralized because of the polls - the definition of a political loser.
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