sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 12, 2020 17:36:25 GMT
@merge if you get a chance listen to today’s Lincoln Project podcast. They discussed current Texas numbers with Beto. It’s really interesting. I learned things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 17:51:20 GMT
These numbers show how many trump judges got confirmed at the expense of President Obama because of a power grab by Mitch McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate. It’s becoming clearer they are tossing aside the Constitution. Or the new GOP motto “We only support the Constitution when it benefits us and when it doesn’t not so much”.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 18:12:20 GMT
These numbers show how many trump judges got confirmed at the expense of President Obama because of a power grab by Mitch McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate. It’s becoming clearer they are tossing aside the Constitution. Or the new GOP motto “We only support the Constitution when it benefits us and when it doesn’t not so much”. What I find astonishing is that the Christian based GOP and all of it's followers neglect to ask themselves one question. What would Jesus do? I'm pretty sure it's the complete opposite of what these hypocrites are doing.
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Post by gardengoddess on Oct 12, 2020 22:43:20 GMT
Packing the courts is all fucking Mitch McConnell has done in the last four years. He's packed them with lawyers who have NEVER appeared in court, he's packed the court with lawyers who have an F rating from the American Bar Association, he's packed the courts with lawyers who have never written an opinion in their entire career but as long as they'll overturn healthcare insurance and legal abortion, they're good.
So, when Biden/Harris win, pack that court and tell them Merrick Garland and RBG sent you. Fuck the party of Trump.
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Post by elaine on Oct 12, 2020 22:56:04 GMT
Lol. What a savage joke that Dems contemplating the expansion of the SC is considered nefarious when it is perfectly legal via legislation while the actual court packing and stealing of SC seats by the GOP are considered anodyne by comparison. ?! In what world does that even make sense? Especially when espoused by the diehards of the most corrupt president this country had the misfortune to be saddled with. ?!! A president enabled by McConnell who had previously used judicial blockade to deny Obama his constitutional right, not once, not twice, but many times for the district, circuit and SC courts. And so what if the number of justices has been the same since 1869? How does that even matter? So if a piece of legislation has been around since the 1860s we should leave it alone even if it does not serve the present population? What a backward and infantile way of thinking. If lawmakers had adopted that regressive stance we would never have had amendments to the Constitution, and blacks would still be slaves without rights including the right to vote. Government should be stable but NEVER static, and that includes the Supreme Court. Don’t like it that Dems are pushing for the expansion of the SC? Go complain to McConnell. We Dems don’t owe you a damn thing. This. I don’t give a flying f*ck about right wingers complaining about the potential of packing the courts. You really care about it? Then F’ing shout loud and clear that Amy Coney Barrett shouldn’t be confirmed. Vote against ANY senator who supports her nomination. Including your beloved GOP senators on the judiciary committee. Donate to their opponents. Otherwise, shut up. You are a hypocrite and I have no time for you.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 13, 2020 6:42:08 GMT
We KNOW the GOP has been packing the courts. I'll be annoyed if Biden doesn't pack the courts at this point. No one has added any seats to the courts. Filling vacancies is not packing the court.
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Post by rune2484 on Oct 13, 2020 7:15:47 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 13, 2020 7:43:12 GMT
Vacancies in existing seats, not added seats. So, no. It's not court packing. To call it that is completely inaccurate.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 13, 2020 11:34:50 GMT
So anything goes if you’re a Republican? But, Democrats are held to a higher standard. Got it. Actions have consequences and one day, there will be repercussions for Mitch McConnells actions and inactions.
FDR wanted to add a seat to the Supreme Court for every justice over the age of 70 who didn’t retire.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 13, 2020 11:51:47 GMT
Vacancies in existing seats, not added seats. So, no. It's not court packing. To call it that is completely inaccurate. I think what the republicans have done is a more accurate definition of court packing than adding seats.
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Post by peano on Oct 13, 2020 14:32:52 GMT
Vacancies in existing seats, not added seats. So, no. It's not court packing. To call it that is completely inaccurate. You can fucking call it baking cookies if you want. The reality is Mitch McConnell's lone focus has been packing courts with judges who have often been unqualified, for lifetime positions, to the detriment of the real work of the Senate, making laws. His lone focus has been to try to shape this country into a ultra right wing hellscape that in no way conforms to the wishes of the majority of Americans.
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Post by rune2484 on Oct 13, 2020 15:30:52 GMT
Vacancies in existing seats, not added seats. So, no. It's not court packing. To call it that is completely inaccurate. I love how you are pretending that the definition packing has something to do with expanding the container. No, the definition is to tightly fill a given container up to capacity. When I pack my suitcase for a trip I don't cut a hole it the side and glue on an extension so I can bring more strappy sandals, I fill up the space I have as well as I can. When I can tomatoes I heat up the tomatoes and then hot pack them into sterilized jars all the way up to the top of the jar. When I buy something online and they ship it to me they take a box and put the items I bought and pack bubble wrap or peanuts around my item to take up the remaining space. When I go to Culvers and see the young underpaid service workers in the back filling pints of frozen custard they aren't stretching those pint containers to be bigger, no they are packing the goddamn ice cream into the goddamn container. You can be as haughty as you want with me, but I am the one that is being accurate with my vocabulary regardless of how politicians and the media - and YOU - have chosen to use the term. Also, I want to wrap back around to the real point. If Mitch McConnell hadn't denied President Obama his judges this wouldn't be "Court Packing" - this would just be normal court filling. But he chose to be a greedy, power hungry, opportunistic asshole and you can't blame democrats for evening the playing field if given the chance.
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MizIndependent
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Jun 25, 2014 19:43:16 GMT
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 13, 2020 15:52:43 GMT
So it would appear that appointing vacant seats is in fact not considered court packing.
The whole purpose of appointing judges (aside from keeping our judicial system working smoothly with enough judges available for all) is to sway the country's political leanings. Obama swung the country left with his appointees, Trump is swinging it right with his. Every president does this.
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Post by sabrinae on Oct 13, 2020 17:00:49 GMT
So it would appear that appointing vacant seats is in fact not considered court packing.
The whole purpose of appointing judges (aside from keeping our judicial system working smoothly with enough judges available for all) is to sway the country's political leanings. Obama swung the country left with his appointees, Trump is swinging it right with his. Every president does this.
You’re ignoring the McConnel/Republican Senate actions of denying even hearings to many of Obama’s nominees. There were only so many openings because McConnel refused to even have hearings for Obama nominations at all levels. McConnel intentionally left seat open when there were nominations
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 13, 2020 17:24:16 GMT
You’re ignoring the McConnel/Republican Senate actions of denying even hearings to many of Obama’s nominees. There were only so many openings because McConnel refused to even have hearings for Obama nominations at all levels. McConnel intentionally left seat open when there were nominations Didn't mean to ignore this, was focusing more on numbers. It does happen on both sides, though I think Byrd (cited below) had just cause where McConnell is just a POS wanting his way:
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Post by arielsmom on Oct 13, 2020 18:17:24 GMT
Vacancies in existing seats, not added seats. So, no. It's not court packing. To call it that is completely inaccurate. I love how you are pretending that the definition packing has something to do with expanding the container. No, the definition is to tightly fill a given container up to capacity. When I pack my suitcase for a trip I don't cut a hole it the side and glue on an extension so I can bring more strappy sandals, I fill up the space I have as well as I can. When I can tomatoes I heat up the tomatoes and then hot pack them into sterilized jars all the way up to the top of the jar. When I buy something online and they ship it to me they take a box and put the items I bought and pack bubble wrap or peanuts around my item to take up the remaining space. When I go to Culvers and see the young underpaid service workers in the back filling pints of frozen custard they aren't stretching those pint containers to be bigger, no they are packing the goddamn ice cream into the goddamn container. You can be as haughty as you want with me, but I am the one that is being accurate with my vocabulary regardless of how politicians and the media - and YOU - have chosen to use the term. Also, I want to wrap back around to the real point. If Mitch McConnell hadn't denied President Obama his judges this wouldn't be "Court Packing" - this would just be normal court filling. But he chose to be a greedy, power hungry, opportunistic asshole and you can't blame democrats for evening the playing field if given the chance. You rock! So well written.
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Post by rune2484 on Oct 13, 2020 18:45:08 GMT
So it would appear that appointing vacant seats is in fact not considered court packing.
The whole purpose of appointing judges (aside from keeping our judicial system working smoothly with enough judges available for all) is to sway the country's political leanings. Obama swung the country left with his appointees, Trump is swinging it right with his. Every president does this.
Ok, I will concede the point that the term "Court Packing" does not align with the colloquial term "packing". I'd argue that the fact that they are not in agreement is either lazy or underhanded in the crafting of that term -but, that is neither here nor there. I agree the fact that these judges are not necessarily fully qualified is a huge red flag. In any other presidency this would be an issue that the white house wouldn't be able to shake. This is not a normal administration. When I hear people argue about how wrong it would be for Democrats to use loopholes in the procedural rules what I am really hearing is that they think it is ok/inevitable for Republicans to do so in an effort to grab power, and the Democrats should be content to be subservient. I couldn't disagree more. The Republicans have become bullies and bullies don't respond to calls for acting within a moral framework. They respect a response of power. The far right is only going to get worse the more they get their way - so we have to stop giving them what they want in the name of tradition and established norms. Anyone who has ever played a board game with someone who likes to exploit loopholes in the rules knows how terrible of an experience that is. No normal person wants to repeat that experience. This is exactly what Mitch McConnell and his goons are trying to do - to spoil the fun so their opponents stop showing up to play. That's bullshit and I don't condone playing into his hand. The Democratic party needs to strategize and outmaneuver this terrible crop of Republicans because as it stands now with the dynamic we have our national government isn't functioning for anyone. This is a chess game and the Democrats have spent 12 years losing because they refused to play on the same level as their opponent. As far as whether or not Biden should say what he would do - I think it is wise that he hold those cards to his chest. The votes he could potentially lose by staying quiet are negligible, and he gains a big advantage by not projecting his strategy.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 13, 2020 18:45:32 GMT
rune2484 - I think we were posting at the same time. I actually have already answered your comments on loopholes two posts above yours. ---------------------------- I love how you are pretending that the definition packing has something to do with expanding the container. No, the definition is to tightly fill a given container up to capacity. Actually...and I do apologize for mentioning it again but, you are incorrect. "Court packing" refers specifically to FDR's Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937. He was frustrated with the Supreme Court continuously striking down New Deal legislation for being unconstitutional. He decided the best way to handle that was to pass the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 which would give FDR the power to add "an additional justice to the U.S. Supreme Court, up to a maximum of six, for every member of the court over the age of 70 years and 6 months." Pyrrhic. What a great word! pyr·rhic /ˈpirik/ adjective: (of a victory) won at too great a cost to have been worthwhile for the victor.
Sorry, I digress. The bill failed having been held up in committee for 165 days...then chief advocate in the U.S. Senate, Senate Majority Leader Joseph T. Robinson died further complicating matters.
So, you see...the history of the term "court packing" is rather complicated but it in fact very specifically refers to FDR's reform bill. It is not a term that also applies to filling already vacant seats.
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