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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 17, 2020 18:54:18 GMT
Such as having all the answers look similar, having more than one choice, trying to be creative with the question ...etc?
As a child these kinds of tests were impossible for me to do. And I would think many would find these difficult too.
IMO they shouldn’t belong.
And I just thought of what to call them:
Imposters and cheating ☺️
Cheating within a test.
Not on a test but in a test.
Here’s my argument:
Multiple choice tests are something I consider to be a very black and white/left brained thing.
You either pass or fail at them.
They are made to test someone to see if they know the material or not, right?
So because of that I think it’s only fair to keep it as strict as the intent of the test is, and keep it all black and white throughout.
None of those blended questions where they try to sneak some colorful/right brain stuff in ...without honoring the colorful concept which would not be: pass or fail.
The intent: Whether or not you know the material
The end result: Pass or fail
Keep all the questions like that too.
Cut
and
Dry
Not where loopholes can be found.
I don’t mean like having the wrong answers making the right answer stand out because the other ones are silly.
If the question is looking for an answer of a place then have all the choices be places, even in the same country. But don’t just try to letter mask the right answer by having another one look like it.
That takes creativity, which is right brain.
I don’t know why this kind of thing triggers me so much, but it always has and I get triggered by it every time I take these tests.
But maybe this is why, because I think it’s unfair and throwing the balance way off.
How do you feel when you are taking these kinds of tests?
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Post by librarylady on Oct 17, 2020 19:02:18 GMT
The "grey" questions (as you have named them) are to make you think and the ones creating the test want to see if you understand the information, not just have memorized facts. I get bogged down on semantics--such as "the word could mean zxs or it could mean dfg" which meaning are they using?
and "all" --Does that mean all, or does that tiny exception count?
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Post by Flowergirl on Oct 17, 2020 19:17:01 GMT
My daughter is in nursing school working on her bachelors and has said many of her multiple choice tests have several answer choices that are technically correct but one of the answers is intended to be the best practice/best scientific explanation/best treatment etc. She complains about it but she's just venting. She gets why it makes sense to ask questions this way in a evaluating their grasp of the material.
I understand your frustration. I like my questions/answer choices more clear cut which is probably why I've always liked math.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 17, 2020 19:40:50 GMT
The "grey" questions (as you have named them) are to make you think and the ones creating the test want to see if you understand the information, not just have memorized facts. I get bogged down on semantics--such as "the word could mean zxs or it could mean dfg" which meaning are they using?
and "all" --Does that mean all, or does that tiny exception count?
I just talked with dd about this and she said the same thing with why they have grey questions. I understand that but I feel the mind is so vast that any test is just too narrowed down. Yes, semantics. I wish there was a way where every multiple choice test could be screened for semantics. |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 17, 2020 19:47:13 GMT
My daughter is in nursing school working on her bachelors and has said many of her multiple choice tests have several answer choices that are technically correct but one of the answers is intended to be the best practice/best scientific explanation/best treatment etc. She complains about it but she's just venting. She gets why it makes sense to ask questions this way in a evaluating their grasp of the material. I understand your frustration. I like my questions/answer choices more clear cut which is probably why I've always liked math. Ugh that would drive me batty. Apples and Apples and Apples...pick the best answer.... sigh ... let me do a 10 year study on that and get back to you. Ah, math ☺️ The time you take the most on is the question and seconds on the answer ☺️ |
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Post by Zee on Oct 17, 2020 21:26:37 GMT
I am guessing you're not a very good test taker because you're a very wide thinker, looking at multiple possibilities where they aren't even connected and don't matter/are irrelevant to what you're being tested on.
You have a very different way of seeing things than most people, I think it's safe for me to say that. And that's ok, but not so good for testing!
I have excelled at test taking all my life even when I don't really know all the material. It's just a different way of thinking. Always got me placed in advanced classes, even when I sometimes didn't belong there (such as math classes). My son is a really good test taker too. My daughter, not so much, she gets distracted and bogged down.
Now nursing classes are a whole other thing. "While B is a correct answer, it's not the BEST answer" and you want to throw the whole thing at the wall. There are memes about nursing tests! Lol
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 18, 2020 0:19:26 GMT
I am guessing you're not a very good test taker because you're a very wide thinker, looking at multiple possibilities where they aren't even connected and don't matter/are irrelevant to what you're being tested on. You have a very different way of seeing things than most people, I think it's safe for me to say that. And that's ok, but not so good for testing! I have excelled at test taking all my life even when I don't really know all the material. It's just a different way of thinking. Always got me placed in advanced classes, even when I sometimes didn't belong there (such as math classes). My son is a really good test taker too. My daughter, not so much, she gets distracted and bogged down. Now nursing classes are a whole other thing. "While B is a correct answer, it's not the BEST answer" and you want to throw the whole thing at the wall. There are memes about nursing tests! Lol Yes, most tests I’ve taken whether it be in school, for a job or even the Litmus test online makes me converge my mind so much, like getting a rubber band back to its original shape after it’s been stretched out. I know now that my mind does not want to go there. If I find a crack in someone’s carton of eggs that I’m bagging for, I won’t try to figure out if it has a deep enough crack to determine if it’s cracked open or not. If I see a crack, no matter how small, I will let the customer decide, that way I don’t have to do the mind converging. I’d rather use my energy on bagging. Yesterday when I showed a customer a crack in her egg, she didn’t know either, so I switched them out for her and the dairy person told me that crack was fine and he put it back on the shelf. Even taking the Litmus test I was seeing signs to put together. I guess that’s where my mind likes to live, in the land of Synchronistic Art ☺️ And I’ve never took up medical school but those tests you’re taking don’t sound present. Song coming through just now at 5:16: Here I go again on my own, like a twister I was born to walk alone. I’ve made up my mind. I ain’t wasting no more time. Here I go again. |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 18, 2020 6:37:49 GMT
I am guessing you're not a very good test taker because you're a very wide thinker, looking at multiple possibilities where they aren't even connected and don't matter/are irrelevant to what you're being tested on. You have a very different way of seeing things than most people, I think it's safe for me to say that. And that's ok, but not so good for testing! I have excelled at test taking all my life even when I don't really know all the material. It's just a different way of thinking. Always got me placed in advanced classes, even when I sometimes didn't belong there (such as math classes). My son is a really good test taker too. My daughter, not so much, she gets distracted and bogged down. Now nursing classes are a whole other thing. "While B is a correct answer, it's not the BEST answer" and you want to throw the whole thing at the wall. There are memes about nursing tests! Lol Yes, most tests I’ve taken whether it be in school, for a job or even the Litmus test online makes me converge my mind so much, like getting a rubber band back to its original shape after it’s been stretched out. I know now that my mind does not want to go there. If I find a crack in someone’s carton of eggs that I’m bagging for, I won’t try to figure out if it has a deep enough crack to determine if it’s cracked open or not. If I see a crack, no matter how small, I will let the customer decide, that way I don’t have to do the mind converging. I’d rather use my energy on bagging. Yesterday when I showed a customer a crack in her egg, she didn’t know either, so I switched them out for her and the dairy person told me that crack was fine and he put it back on the shelf. Even taking the Litmus test I was seeing signs to put together. I guess that’s where my mind likes to live, in the land of Synchronistic Art ☺️ And I’ve never took up medical school but those tests you’re taking don’t sound present. Song coming through just now at 5:16: Here I go again on my own, like a twister I was born to walk alone. I’ve made up my mind. I ain’t wasting no more time. Here I go again. So here I am doing a 5 card spread reading for me. And the card that came out from the Shamanic Healing deck is: Unlimited Possibilities It was for the Mirror Guidance and it the book it says this: “At any given time, there are unlimited possibilities for you and yours, many different paths to take, many different options available. Do not get bogged down into thinking in a linear fashion. Open your eyes and your heart, and feel the power your free will and choice brings you. Make your life what it is meant to be.” - Michelle A. Motuzas Do you notice anything in that mirroring this post? Other than the whole theme ☺️ |
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 18, 2020 15:33:15 GMT
My daughter is in nursing school working on her bachelors and has said many of her multiple choice tests have several answer choices that are technically correct but one of the answers is intended to be the best practice/best scientific explanation/best treatment etc. She complains about it but she's just venting. She gets why it makes sense to ask questions this way in a evaluating their grasp of the material. I understand your frustration. I like my questions/answer choices more clear cut which is probably why I've always liked math. Yes this is how my board exam was for my field. There would be 3 correct answers, but only one was perfect. Or, there would be 4 incorrect answers, and I had to Pick the best out of the wrong answers. I didn’t love it, but I understand why those questions are there. |
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 18, 2020 16:23:53 GMT
In my last job, we created these multiple choice tests and there is a lot of thought that goes into the professional ones. Then they are tested to see if the distractors (the answers) are too easy or too hard and when you land on a certain number (of percent correct or incorrect), the stem and distractors are considered appropriate. Having good distractors that aren't easily dismissed makes a test measure more than one with cut and dried answers.
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Post by katiekaty on Oct 18, 2020 20:26:05 GMT
My daughter is in nursing school working on her bachelors and has said many of her multiple choice tests have several answer choices that are technically correct but one of the answers is intended to be the best practice/best scientific explanation/best treatment etc. She complains about it but she's just venting. She gets why it makes sense to ask questions this way in a evaluating their grasp of the material. I understand your frustration. I like my questions/answer choices more clear cut which is probably why I've always liked math. Yes, the NCLEX is sort of like one answer is 97 % correct but it sounds really good, the next is 100%correct but sounds too easy to be true and the next two are 98 % correct and say exactly the same thing with the words just slightly rearranged. And you only get on question per page and you can go back to look at anything that might help answer any other questions you get. You get a calculator with a solar powered battery in a dimly Lit room, and a sheet of paper for any notes or calculations with the dullest hardest writing pencil and if you break it you are SOL. God help you. |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 18, 2020 21:47:40 GMT
My daughter is in nursing school working on her bachelors and has said many of her multiple choice tests have several answer choices that are technically correct but one of the answers is intended to be the best practice/best scientific explanation/best treatment etc. She complains about it but she's just venting. She gets why it makes sense to ask questions this way in a evaluating their grasp of the material. I understand your frustration. I like my questions/answer choices more clear cut which is probably why I've always liked math. Yes this is how my board exam was for my field. There would be 3 correct answers, but only one was perfect. Or, there would be 4 incorrect answers, and I had to Pick the best out of the wrong answers. I didn’t love it, but I understand why those questions are there. What? Pick the best out of the wrong answers? Please no Well, thanks for the relatively, my experience is cake compared to that 🤨 |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 18, 2020 22:16:36 GMT
My daughter is in nursing school working on her bachelors and has said many of her multiple choice tests have several answer choices that are technically correct but one of the answers is intended to be the best practice/best scientific explanation/best treatment etc. She complains about it but she's just venting. She gets why it makes sense to ask questions this way in a evaluating their grasp of the material. I understand your frustration. I like my questions/answer choices more clear cut which is probably why I've always liked math. Yes, the NCLEX is sort of like one answer is 97 % correct but it sounds really good, the next is 100%correct but sounds too easy to be true and the next two are 98 % correct and say exactly the same thing with the words just slightly rearranged. And you only get on question per page and you can go back to look at anything that might help answer any other questions you get. You get a calculator with a solar powered battery in a dimly Lit room, and a sheet of paper for any notes or calculations with the dullest hardest writing pencil and if you break it you are SOL. God help you. I can’t read these anymore lol They are pulling off my rose colored glasses! Only the square pegs that get through the round holes succeed in this it seems . IMO the expectations for these are way beyond acceptable. And I’m guessing you meant to type that you can’t go back to look at the other questions. Those were my favorite kind of tests (if there is such a thing) where you could scroll through the whole thing, so you could skip and go back or answer from the bottom to the top or whatever. I guess before computers, there wasn’t such a thing as one question only because how can you do that on paper? 3 little birds just started playing on tv or something and it’s 3:12. 3/12 was the day I started my job. “Open your heart open your ...”mind” I think it said ...or “eyes“ maybe, like the book from yesterday, commercial was just on too. It’s hard to make out because the tv on is in the other room. I hope that commercial comes on again ☺️ |
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Post by katiekaty on Oct 19, 2020 4:24:22 GMT
Yes, the NCLEX is sort of like one answer is 97 % correct but it sounds really good, the next is 100%correct but sounds too easy to be true and the next two are 98 % correct and say exactly the same thing with the words just slightly rearranged. And you only get on question per page and you can go back to look at anything that might help answer any other questions you get. You get a calculator with a solar powered battery in a dimly Lit room, and a sheet of paper for any notes or calculations with the dullest hardest writing pencil and if you break it you are SOL. God help you. I can’t read these anymore lol They are pulling off my rose colored glasses! Only the square pegs that get through the round holes succeed in this it seems . IMO the expectations for these are way beyond acceptable. And I’m guessing you meant to type that you can’t go back to look at the other questions. Those were my favorite kind of tests (if there is such a thing) where you could scroll through the whole thing, so you could skip and go back or answer from the bottom to the top or whatever. I guess before computers, there wasn’t such a thing as one question only because how can you do that on paper? 3 little birds just started playing on tv or something and it’s 3:12. 3/12 was the day I started my job. “Open your heart open your ...”mind” I think it said ...or “eyes“ maybe, like the book from yesterday, commercial was just on too. It’s hard to make out because the tv on is in the other room. I hope that commercial comes on again ☺️ And you know what else makes this test even more fun? The is a minimum number of questions you can answer to pass and a maximum number. Once you pass that minimum, you will not know when the test will shut down or if you will have to answer every question. The minimum number is the maximum number yo can answer incorrectly, all incorrectly, and fail. The minimum number is also the the least number you can answer all correctly and pass. So every question you take after that undermines your confidence as to whether us will be successful or not. aND you could still answer every question and still pass. Every question is a weighted question written to judge how well you know the subject, how well you can make decisions and how well you can execute and/ or delegate the tasks involved. Nursing licensing exams are hellish mind games that you gotta get through. After all, you do eventually have to keep people alive! |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 20, 2020 4:14:12 GMT
I can’t read these anymore lol They are pulling off my rose colored glasses! Only the square pegs that get through the round holes succeed in this it seems . IMO the expectations for these are way beyond acceptable. And I’m guessing you meant to type that you can’t go back to look at the other questions. Those were my favorite kind of tests (if there is such a thing) where you could scroll through the whole thing, so you could skip and go back or answer from the bottom to the top or whatever. I guess before computers, there wasn’t such a thing as one question only because how can you do that on paper? 3 little birds just started playing on tv or something and it’s 3:12. 3/12 was the day I started my job. “Open your heart open your ...”mind” I think it said ...or “eyes“ maybe, like the book from yesterday, commercial was just on too. It’s hard to make out because the tv on is in the other room. I hope that commercial comes on again ☺️ And you know what else makes this test even more fun? The is a minimum number of questions you can answer to pass and a maximum number. Once you pass that minimum, you will not know when the test will shut down or if you will have to answer every question. The minimum number is the maximum number yo can answer incorrectly, all incorrectly, and fail. The minimum number is also the the least number you can answer all correctly and pass. So every question you take after that undermines your confidence as to whether us will be successful or not. aND you could still answer every question and still pass. Every question is a weighted question written to judge how well you know the subject, how well you can make decisions and how well you can execute and/ or delegate the tasks involved. Nursing licensing exams are hellish mind games that you gotta get through. After all, you do eventually have to keep people alive! That’s definitely a ringer to be put through. Mind games ...that’s a good answer to the title of my post ☺️ |
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 21, 2020 15:53:09 GMT
Yes, most tests I’ve taken whether it be in school, for a job or even the Litmus test online makes me converge my mind so much, like getting a rubber band back to its original shape after it’s been stretched out. I know now that my mind does not want to go there. If I find a crack in someone’s carton of eggs that I’m bagging for, I won’t try to figure out if it has a deep enough crack to determine if it’s cracked open or not. If I see a crack, no matter how small, I will let the customer decide, that way I don’t have to do the mind converging. I’d rather use my energy on bagging. Yesterday when I showed a customer a crack in her egg, she didn’t know either, so I switched them out for her and the dairy person told me that crack was fine and he put it back on the shelf. Even taking the Litmus test I was seeing signs to put together. I guess that’s where my mind likes to live, in the land of Synchronistic Art ☺️ And I’ve never took up medical school but those tests you’re taking don’t sound present. Song coming through just now at 5:16: Here I go again on my own, like a twister I was born to walk alone. I’ve made up my mind. I ain’t wasting no more time. Here I go again. So here I am doing a 5 card spread reading for me. And the card that came out from the Shamanic Healing deck is: Unlimited Possibilities It was for the Mirror Guidance and it the book it says this: “At any given time, there are unlimited possibilities for you and yours, many different paths to take, many different options available. Do not get bogged down into thinking in a linear fashion. Open your eyes and your heart, and feel the power your free will and choice brings you. Make your life what it is meant to be.” - Michelle A. Motuzas Do you notice anything in that mirroring this post? Other than the whole theme ☺️ Song is playing on the radio right now. It’s not a station I normally listen to, boyfriend changed it yesterday. There’s a show called this too that I noticed a couple days ago. |
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