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Post by lucyg on Oct 23, 2020 22:14:23 GMT
Does this mean you are willing to hold trump accountable for the thousands of Americans that have died and are dying from COVID-19? He knew in January how bad the virus would be but said nothing and did nothing to prepare for what was about to happen. In my book that amounts to criminal negligence on his part. Changing the subject with false statements doesn't change my view. I continue to stand by my post. What exactly is false in @freddie’s post? Every word of it is true, as far as I can tell. And I’d like an exact accounting of every life you think has been lost due to political failures in Barr/Trump’s “anarchic jurisdictions.” And then we can talk about how many people have died in red states due to the local politicians’ refusal to institute mask mandates or close down public gathering places. And THEN we can talk about how many health care workers have died fighting COVID, while they worked with insufficient PPD, as Trump and Co. insisted it was a state problem, not a national problem. Personally, I think they—and you—are blowing smoke.
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Post by megop on Oct 23, 2020 22:17:17 GMT
You realize that doesn’t make sense right? If the federal government provides funding for services and the President cuts it only in places where politicians don’t like him, HE is to blame. He is being vindictive and taking it out on the poor and the helpless. I understand that the concept of “the buck stops here” is lost on trump and you but he is the head of the executive branch of the federal government. But you both have shown that don’t care about human life so the gymnastics you are performing are not surprising. You can't dismiss the original human lives that were lost because they allowed these things to happen in these cities. Holding those city officials accountable and trying to get them to reverse their policies that destroy neighborhoods, livelihoods and get people killed -so it won't continue IS caring for human life. Sorry, nope. Not accepting "they" while not holding the leadership verbiage accountable for divisiveness. One cannot govern as he has through executive order and insane BS he spews creating the core issue, then throwing the responsibility down to states/local leadership when it gets hard. That is NOT LEADERSHIP.
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Post by megop on Oct 23, 2020 22:22:14 GMT
Changing the subject with false statements doesn't change my view. I continue to stand by my post. What exactly is false in @freddie ’s post? Every word of it is true, as far as I can tell. And I’d like an exact accounting of every life you think has been lost due to political failures in Barr/Trump’s “anarchic jurisdictions.” And then we can talk about how many people have died in red states due to the local politicians’ refusal to institute mask mandates or close down public gathering places. And THEN we can talk about how many health care workers have died fighting COVID, while they worked with insufficient PPD, as Trump and Co. insisted it was a state problem, not a national problem. Personally, I think they—and you—are blowing smoke. Take COVID completely out of it. This president is responsible for his words/actions/non actions in creating the culture dynamic of the country. He IS, as POTUS, the driving force of cultural verbiage, just like any CEO of a business. He fueled the fire and now wants to blame others because they didn't control his fueling. It's arrogance at its finest and a total lack of taking leadership responsibility. That is his damn job. The buck stops squarely at his desk.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 23, 2020 22:26:26 GMT
Changing the subject with false statements doesn't change my view. I continue to stand by my post. “You can't dismiss the original human lives that were lost because they allowed these things to happen in these cities. Holding those city officials accountable“You said the above right? You’re talking about holding city officials accountable for there actions or in this case lack of action that led to the death of innocent folks. Correct? If you’re saying these city officials should be held accountable for their lack of action, wouldn't the same be applied to trump when it came to his inaction to COVID-19? Bringing this up is not changing the subject but expanding on it. What false statement?He knew in January how bad the virus would be but said nothing and did nothing to prepare for what was about to happen.Jan 29 Trump announces coronavirus task force to lead a coordinated response WSJ Jan 31 Trump restricts entry into US from China NY Times Jan 31 Trump orders 1st quarantine in 50 years USA Today
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Post by pinklady on Oct 23, 2020 22:44:33 GMT
Someone only reads headlines and not the actual articles. Jan 29 Trump announces coronavirus task force to lead a coordinated response WSJA Kennedy who worked on Jared Kushner's COVID-19 task force said he was asked to distort a coronavirus prediction to make the outbreak seem less bad www.businessinsider.com/kennedy-says-kushner-virus-taskforce-asked-him-to-distort-predictions-2020-9Yeah, that's some "task force". Try reading anything written by Olivia Troye about how this "task force" works. Jan 31 Trump restricts entry into US from China NY TimesThe administration’s action will restrict all foreign nationals who have been to China in the past 14 days from entering the United States. The restriction does not include immediate family members of American citizens and permanent residents. How'd those "restrictions" work out? Jan 31 Trump orders 1st quarantine in 50 years USA Today"The risk of infection for Americans remains low," said Alex Azar, secretary of Health and Human Services and chairman of the coronavirus task force set up by Trump. We know know the admin knew it was serious but didn't take the necessary actions so what happened, they did almost nothing and the virus spread like wildfire. Shocker
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Post by lucyg on Oct 23, 2020 22:55:38 GMT
“You can't dismiss the original human lives that were lost because they allowed these things to happen in these cities. Holding those city officials accountable“You said the above right? You’re talking about holding city officials accountable for there actions or in this case lack of action that led to the death of innocent folks. Correct? If you’re saying these city officials should be held accountable for their lack of action, wouldn't the same be applied to trump when it came to his inaction to COVID-19? Bringing this up is not changing the subject but expanding on it. What false statement? He knew in January how bad the virus would be but said nothing and did nothing to prepare for what was about to happen.Jan 29 Trump announces coronavirus task force to lead a coordinated response WSJ Jan 31 Trump restricts entry into US from China NY Times Jan 31 Trump orders 1st quarantine in 50 years USA Today Coronavirus task force: he consistently overrides the scientific experts when he doesn’t like what they say. He pushed hydroxycloroquine against their wishes and then suggested injecting bleach. His top doc advisor is now a Fox News radiologist who doesn’t believe the actual experts. He just called Dr. Fauci an idiot. You can guess who the real idiot is. Additionally, his Jared-led shadow task force decided it was a state problem rather than national, then started stealing local shipments of PPE and selling it back to the states at a profit. How exactly is this any form of good leadership? China lockout: tens of thousands of American citizens and permanent residents continued to be allowed in. So there was no actual China ban. But he did manage to keep out a bunch of brown people, all the same. Meanwhile, the huge outbreak in NYC came from Europe, not Asia. Quarantine: I don’t know what this is. Are you talking about when he shut down travel from Europe? He is incompetent and that’s the most complimentary thing I can think of to say about him.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 23, 2020 23:02:27 GMT
I sure hope that he is out of office in January. He is a petty, vindictive jerk.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 23, 2020 23:03:09 GMT
Jan 29 Trump announces coronavirus task force to lead a coordinated response WSJ Jan 31 Trump restricts entry into US from China NY Times Jan 31 Trump orders 1st quarantine in 50 years USA Today Coronavirus task force: he consistently overrides the scientific experts when he doesn’t like what they say. He pushed hydroxycloroquine against their wishes and then suggested injecting bleach. His top doc advisor is now a Fox News radiologist who doesn’t believe the actual experts. He just called Dr. Fauci an idiot. You can guess who the real idiot is. Additionally, his Jared-led shadow task force decided it was a state problem rather than national, then started stealing local shipments of PPE and selling it back to the states at a profit. How exactly is this any form of good leadership? China lockout: tens of thousands of American citizens and permanent residents continued to be allowed in. So there was no actual China ban. But he did manage to keep out a bunch of brown people, all the same. Meanwhile, the huge outbreak in NYC came from Europe, not Asia. Quarantine: I don’t know what this is. Are you talking about when he shut down travel from Europe? He is incompetent and that’s the most complimentary thing I can think of to say about him. In addition, he is on tape telling Bob Woodward that the virus is much worse than he’s acknowledging in public. And please please please don’t pull out that tired “he didn’t want to start a panic” nonsense. He has no problem trying to incite panic when it’s about racial tensions.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 23, 2020 23:09:48 GMT
Trump doesn’t have the legal authority. It’s more bluster. Remember when he issued an executive order defunding sanctuary cities? No go. Struck down as unconstitutional and not a presidential power. Whenever you see the term “federal funding,” keep in mind that it pertains to congressionally-appropriated funding, meaning Congress is the one that funds and allocates, not the president. I do love it when Trump runs into something that he can’t change.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 23, 2020 23:11:23 GMT
What exactly is false in @freddie ’s post? Every word of it is true, as far as I can tell. And I’d like an exact accounting of every life you think has been lost due to political failures in Barr/Trump’s “anarchic jurisdictions.” And then we can talk about how many people have died in red states due to the local politicians’ refusal to institute mask mandates or close down public gathering places. And THEN we can talk about how many health care workers have died fighting COVID, while they worked with insufficient PPD, as Trump and Co. insisted it was a state problem, not a national problem. Personally, I think they—and you—are blowing smoke. Take COVID completely out of it. This president is responsible for his words/actions/non actions in creating the culture dynamic of the country. He IS, as POTUS, the driving force of cultural verbiage, just like any CEO of a business. He fueled the fire and now wants to blame others because they didn't control his fueling. It's arrogance at its finest and a total lack of taking leadership responsibility. That is his damn job. The buck stops squarely at his desk. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 23, 2020 23:14:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 23:32:21 GMT
“You can't dismiss the original human lives that were lost because they allowed these things to happen in these cities. Holding those city officials accountable“You said the above right? You’re talking about holding city officials accountable for there actions or in this case lack of action that led to the death of innocent folks. Correct? If you’re saying these city officials should be held accountable for their lack of action, wouldn't the same be applied to trump when it came to his inaction to COVID-19? Bringing this up is not changing the subject but expanding on it. What false statement? He knew in January how bad the virus would be but said nothing and did nothing to prepare for what was about to happen.Jan 29 Trump announces coronavirus task force to lead a coordinated response WSJ Jan 31 Trump restricts entry into US from China NY Times Jan 31 Trump orders 1st quarantine in 50 years USA Today From the Washington Post.. “President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the coronavirus outbreak in China. “This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.” Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide. Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly. “ You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.” “This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.” Knowing this and with the only people allowed back into this country were US Citizens that could make it before all the airlines shut down, nothing was done in the way of safety measures to ensure these returning people weren’t spreading the virus. There were pictures of crowds of these folks going through customs. Nobody was being checked for symptoms. They just let them in. He knew after the January 28 meeting how deadly this virus was and how easily it could spread. And no instructions were given to TSA on what to do about all those folks coming back into this country and possibly bring the virus with them. And some likely did. Don’t get me wrong, those folks should have been able to come home, but not like that. Knowing what was known some sort of safety procedures should have been in place. I could go on but you need to ask yourself, during not only a national crisis but a worldwide crisis, how did this country with only 4% of the world population end up with over 20% of the confirmed worldwide cases of COVID-19 and over 20% of confirmed worldwide deaths from COVID-19?
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Post by lucyg on Oct 23, 2020 23:43:01 GMT
well, then it’s a good thing I didn’t say, “Trump said people should inject themselves with bleach.” What I said was “he suggested.” I left out that he “suggested” it as a possible cure to Dr. Birx, who visibly cringed. Honestly, anyone past kindergarten should know better than to suggest injecting bleach, and I’m surprised that’s the best you could come up with out of my whole long post.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 23, 2020 23:46:43 GMT
well, then it’s a good thing I didn’t say, “Trump said people should inject themselves with bleach.” What I said was “he suggested.” I left out that he “suggested” it as a possible cure to Dr. Birx, who visibly cringed. Honestly, anyone past kindergarten should know better, and I’m surprised that’s the best you could come up with out of my whole long post. Whether you used the word said or suggested doesn't change the purpose of your statement.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 23, 2020 23:55:49 GMT
What he stated was convoluted and confusing and yes, to many came across as a suggestion/implication/recommendation/ whatever to inject disinfectants. Especially with the manner in which he speaks. After reading it through a couple of times and not listening to him it seems he was suggesting that we inject light. How the fuck do you inject light? And then he came out and said he was being sarcastic. (That’s always a good plan when addressing the public about a pandemic). Being sarcastic about what? If he didn’t mean to imply that people inject bleach or light then what was there to be sarcastic about? And lucyg had a lot of other valid points that you are ignoring. It appears/seems/looks/comesacross/takeyourpick like you are looking for a technicality in the thread to be wrong to grab onto and attack to avoid discussing the real issues.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 24, 2020 0:03:43 GMT
well, then it’s a good thing I didn’t say, “Trump said people should inject themselves with bleach.” What I said was “he suggested.” I left out that he “suggested” it as a possible cure to Dr. Birx, who visibly cringed. Honestly, anyone past kindergarten should know better than to suggest injecting bleach, and I’m surprised that’s the best you could come up with out of my whole long post. I think that there is a lot of room for misunderstanding. "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients. Although he clarified his remarks, several companies issued warnings about ingesting disinfectants. See for yourself:
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 24, 2020 0:04:11 GMT
What he stated was convoluted and confusing and yes, to many came across as a suggestion to inject disinfectants. Especially with the manner in which he speaks. After reading it through a couple of times it seems he was suggesting that we inject light. How the fuck do you inject light? Especially with the manner in which he speaks. I can't argue with that. He is SO hard to deal with in so many ways and his manner of speaking does. not. help. At all. Perhaps he had in mind light therapies when he was rambling on about it. Just one quick google search: Testing the healing potential of light.I know people who have strange light devices they swear by. I didn't delve too far into that conversation. Just enough to know that it exists. Not saying it was a valid idea, just thinking what MAY have been in mind when he was rambling about it.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 24, 2020 0:06:42 GMT
well, then it’s a good thing I didn’t say, “Trump said people should inject themselves with bleach.” What I said was “he suggested.” I left out that he “suggested” it as a possible cure to Dr. Birx, who visibly cringed. Honestly, anyone past kindergarten should know better, and I’m surprised that’s the best you could come up with out of my whole long post. Whether you used the word said or suggested doesn't change the purpose of your statement. Don’t be ridiculous. Words have meaning. “Said” alone wasn’t one of the options, anyway. My wording was “suggested”; yours was “said people should.” Should was the operative word, and it’s not what I said. It’s also not what I meant. I’m well aware that he suggested it to Dr. Birx, and was not prescribing it to the general public. As he did with hydroxycloroquine. And in case you missed it, because you quoted me before I made the change, my post now says that anyone past kindergarten should know better “than to suggest injecting bleach.” I didn’t want it to appear I was aiming “anyone should know better” at you, rather than him. ETA disinfectant, not bleach. I’m trying to be precise here.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 24, 2020 0:12:08 GMT
Here’s a transcript of his exact words.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
His stupid idea was dangerous enough for the makers of Lysol to make a public statement telling people to not ingest it. Whether he told people to ingest it directly or he asked doctors to look into injecting it into patients is just semantics. It was a stupid and dangerous idea and the fact that his statement was confusing and unclear is on him.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 24, 2020 0:34:26 GMT
What he stated was convoluted and confusing and yes, to many came across as a suggestion to inject disinfectants. Especially with the manner in which he speaks. After reading it through a couple of times it seems he was suggesting that we inject light. How the fuck do you inject light? Especially with the manner in which he speaks. I can't argue with that. He is SO hard to deal with in so many ways and his manner of speaking does. not. help. At all. Perhaps he had in mind light therapies when he was rambling on about it. Just one quick google search: Testing the healing potential of light.I know people who have strange light devices they swear by. I didn't delve too far into that conversation. Just enough to know that it exists. Not saying it was a valid idea, just thinking what MAY have been in mind when he was rambling about it. It may have been. I just feel that especially when we are in the middle of a pandemic the POTUS should a) know enough not to be sarcastic and b) be able to speak clearly and give pertinent, valid, helpful information. Or, you know, since it’s not about him step aside and let the experts do it? He handled everything horribly from the get go. Even the supposed blocking of people from China was ineffective (we still let in over 40,000 people who were never given guidance about quarantine) and we never ever got that part right. We might be able to poke and prod and find a couple of things he didn’t fubar, but shouldn’t the inverse be true? We should be having a hard time looking for things he did wrong. And he’s still at it!
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 24, 2020 2:52:27 GMT
I can't argue with that. He is SO hard to deal with in so many ways and his manner of speaking does. not. help. At all. Perhaps he had in mind light therapies when he was rambling on about it. Just one quick google search: Testing the healing potential of light.I know people who have strange light devices they swear by. I didn't delve too far into that conversation. Just enough to know that it exists. Not saying it was a valid idea, just thinking what MAY have been in mind when he was rambling about it. It may have been. I just feel that especially when we are in the middle of a pandemic the POTUS should a) know enough not to be sarcastic and b) be able to speak clearly and give pertinent, valid, helpful information. Or, you know, since it’s not about him step aside and let the experts do it? He handled everything horribly from the get go. Even the supposed blocking of people from China was ineffective (we still let in over 40,000 people who were never given guidance about quarantine) and we never ever got that part right. We might be able to poke and prod and find a couple of things he didn’t fubar, but shouldn’t the inverse be true? We should be having a hard time looking for things he did wrong. And he’s still at it! I agree with most of what you say here. I also think it's easy to look back and say AFTER the fact of the beginning what SHOULD have been done.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 24, 2020 4:23:08 GMT
No, he had scientists and experts who told him in January what to do and he refused. He thinks he’s smarter than them. And there’s plenty that he should be doing now that he’s not, like masks.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 24, 2020 5:01:10 GMT
No, he had scientists and experts who told him in January what to do and he refused. He thinks he’s smarter than them. Fox News reporter "Are we doing everything possible that you would do up to this point?" Fauci "You know I believe so. Always when you have an outbreak, there's a little bit of a fog of war associated with that. You try and do the right thing, you try to keep up with an evolving situation. But I think in the context of what we're being challenged with, I think everybody's doing really well." Fauci "I didn't get any sense that he was distorting anything. I mean in my discussions with him, they were always straightforward about the concerns that we had. We related that to him. And when he would go out, I'd hear him discussing the same sort of things. He would often say, 'We just got through with a briefing with the group from the task force,' and would talk about it."
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 24, 2020 5:16:39 GMT
This article was posted in March and we’re still not doing a lot of these things. We don’t have a widely available inexpensive rapid test. We’re starting to run out of room in hospitals again. And we are still not testing to the extent that we need to be. hbr.org/2020/03/what-the-u-s-needs-to-do-right-now-to-fight-coronavirusThere’s a lot more that we could be doing. This was published more recently. Targeted lockdowns, protecting essential workers hbr.org/2020/08/the-u-s-needs-smarter-lockdowns-nowThe mistakes by the Trump administration early on were predictable, there is plenty of evidence of that. This is not just Monday morning quarterbacking. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction/?arc404=trueIt did not have to happen this way. Though not perfectly prepared, the United States had more expertise, resources, plans and epidemiological experience than dozens of countries that ultimately fared far better in fending off the virus.
The failure has echoes of the period leading up to 9/11: Warnings were sounded, including at the highest levels of government, but the president was deaf to them until the enemy had already struck.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 24, 2020 22:57:15 GMT
No, he had scientists and experts who told him in January what to do and he refused. He thinks he’s smarter than them. Fox News reporter "Are we doing everything possible that you would do up to this point?" Fauci "You know I believe so. Always when you have an outbreak, there's a little bit of a fog of war associated with that. You try and do the right thing, you try to keep up with an evolving situation. But I think in the context of what we're being challenged with, I think everybody's doing really well." Fauci "I didn't get any sense that he was distorting anything. I mean in my discussions with him, they were always straightforward about the concerns that we had. We related that to him. And when he would go out, I'd hear him discussing the same sort of things. He would often say, 'We just got through with a briefing with the group from the task force,' and would talk about it." Fauci today said if people aren’t wearing masks, maybe we need a mandate. So, maybe we’re not doing everything we can. www.cnn.com/2020/10/23/health/fauci-covid-mask-mandate-bn/index.htmlwww.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/24/fauci-national-mask-mandate-may-be-needed-amid-covid-19-spike/#40bdf08626c8
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 2:09:57 GMT
two can play that vindictive game. on November 3rd, i hope the people cut his salary to zero, take away his office, and ding his massive ego with a loss. Since he doesn't take a salary, his salary is already zero.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 26, 2020 2:51:11 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 4:14:01 GMT
With Hunter's computer in the possession of the FBI, more devices from someone else coming in, an eyewitness to the dealings, an eyewitness that says Biden's claims that he doesn't talk to Hunter about his business dealings is an outright lie, a money laundering investigation, it sure looks like Biden has benefited financially from his office in so many corrupt ways. I guess we'll know soon enough.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 26, 2020 4:25:41 GMT
If you are posting that conspiracy theory, you are as desperate as Trump. The contents of the laptop have not been verified by the FBI. But, we do know that Giuliani was in contact with Russian intelligence agents. The origins of the laptop are very sketchy. www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.htmlFirst, every individual little fact — every email, every text, every photo — must be independently verified when data is surfaced in such a suspicious way, not just one piece of information. Genuine photos, for example, could be there simply to add credibility to forged emails surfaced along with the photos — shielding a few forgeries with genuine content would be a time-tested active measures tactic.The reports of the Trump family benefitting from his office have been verified by multiple sources.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 26, 2020 5:12:04 GMT
If you are posting that conspiracy theory, you are as desperate as Trump. The contents of the laptop have not been verified by the FBI. But, we do know that Giuliani was in contact with Russian intelligence agents. The origins of the laptop are very sketchy. Despite Adam Schiff's claim it's Russia, Russia Russia, and the news repeating his claims...
Director of Intelligence John Ratcliffe announced yesterday that the emails were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. “Let me be clear, the intelligence community doesn’t believe that, because there is no intelligence that supports that and we shared no intelligence with chairman Schiff or any other member of Congress that Hunter Biden’s laptop is part of some Russian disinformation campaign,” Ratcliffe said. “It’s simply not true.” Ratcliffe said that Schiff “wants anything against his preferred political candidate to be deemed as not real and is using the intelligence community, or attempting to use the intelligence community, to say there’s nothing to see here.” “Don’t drag the intelligence community into this,” Ratcliffe continued. “Hunter Biden’s laptop is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign and I think it’s clear the American people know that.”
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