Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 3:44:58 GMT
Long story short, new neighbors moved in upstairs (condos, but rentals).
He has a disability and uses some sort of device around 11Pm every night. It vibrates the bedroom (where I assume the device is located) to the point it shakes. We removed some pictures off the wall after one fell from the vibrating noise. It’s impossible to sleep when he’s using it. I normally go to bed around 10, but now go to bed around midnight because it wakes me up every night if I go to bed earlier.
We spoke with the complex and they are aware of how loud the device is. They said they’ll look into something to soundproof the walls and floor so it isn’t as loud.
It’s been two weeks and I’m averaging about 4 hours of sleep a night because he’ll also use it at 4-5am some mornings.
I’m all for this man doing what he needs to stay healthy but this is ruining my life. I’ve never been so exhausted.
I know he has rights due to his disability but do we have any? Anyone here can help in this area?
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Belle
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Post by Belle on Oct 31, 2020 3:48:25 GMT
How long does the noise last?
It sounds like what your describing is pretty intense but have you tried a white noise machine or fan to drown out the sound?
I’m so sorry....I would not be able to function on 4 hours of sleep.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 3:50:42 GMT
How long does the noise last? It sounds like what your describing is pretty intense but have you tried a white noise machine or fan to drown out the sound? I’m so sorry....I would not be able to function on 4 hours of sleep. About 45 minutes to an hour. So he normally starts it around 11PM and it’s over around midnight. I bought a sound machine which helps the noise, but the vibrations still exist. It’s a funky feeling, kinda like when the air pressure changes and your ears pop? I’m pretty sure the machine helps with the spasticity in his legs as he has a noticeable limp. I want this man to live his best life. But I can’t do this every night and I feel selfish for saying that.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 3:51:18 GMT
How long does the noise last? It sounds like what your describing is pretty intense but have you tried a white noise machine or fan to drown out the sound? I’m so sorry....I would not be able to function on 4 hours of sleep. I sleep with three fans 🤦🏽♀️
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Post by tincin on Oct 31, 2020 3:53:01 GMT
I would go back to the manager and demand something be done. They certainly should be able to do something to dampen the noise and vibration.
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Belle
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Post by Belle on Oct 31, 2020 3:55:59 GMT
How long does the noise last? It sounds like what your describing is pretty intense but have you tried a white noise machine or fan to drown out the sound? I’m so sorry....I would not be able to function on 4 hours of sleep. About 45 minutes to an hour. So he normally starts it around 11PM and it’s over around midnight. I bought a sound machine which helps the noise, but the vibrations still exist. It’s a funky feeling, kinda like when the air pressure changes and your ears pop? I’m pretty sure the machine helps with the spasticity in his legs as he has a noticeable limp. I want this man to live his best life. But I can’t do this every night and I feel selfish for saying that. You are not selfish at all. I wonder if he could utilize his machine in a different area of his apartment that isn’t right above your bedroom?
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Belle
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Post by Belle on Oct 31, 2020 3:57:12 GMT
I would go back to the manager and demand something be done. They certainly should be able to do something to dampen the noise and vibration. I agree and I would mention that you have tried sleeping with multiple fans and a white noise machine.
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Post by meridon on Oct 31, 2020 3:58:35 GMT
What kind of flooring do you have? Is it hardwood or carpet? What kind of bed? Metal frame or upholstered? Anything you can add that is fabric will help absorb sound/vibration...not that it should be up to you to have to redecorate to deal with this..but desperate times call for desperate measures and all that. There are also acoustical blankets that you can hang on walls and doors like are used in sound booths, etc. that I have seen people basically use as upholstery on their walls. I am so sorry...I'm a complete monster if I don't get enough sleep, so I can only imagine how frustrating this must be. If I was truly desperate, I might also consider switching bedrooms and move my bed to the dining room or some such if it meant I could sleep.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 4:05:34 GMT
What kind of flooring do you have? Is it hardwood or carpet? What kind of bed? Metal frame or upholstered? Anything you can add that is fabric will help absorb sound/vibration...not that it should be up to you to have to redecorate to deal with this..but desperate times call for desperate measures and all that. There are also acoustical blankets that you can hang on walls and doors like are used in sound booths, etc. that I have seen people basically use as upholstery on their walls. I am so sorry...I'm a complete monster if I don't get enough sleep, so I can only imagine how frustrating this must be. If I was truly desperate, I might also consider switching bedrooms and move my bed to the dining room or some such if it meant I could sleep. We asked the complex and they said it’s bamboo flooring, I’m currently trying to conceive so I’m worried what happens if this continues after I have a child. We’ve been saving for a down payment for a house and the plan was 2 years but this may be the breaking point 😩
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Amy
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Post by Amy on Oct 31, 2020 4:06:11 GMT
Do they have any vacancy on the first floor? I would think in that situation, he'd be better off living on the first floor to lessen the vibrations, etc.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 31, 2020 4:08:05 GMT
Can you switch apartments?
That would suck. It sounds like perhaps a ground floor apartment would have been better for him
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 4:10:14 GMT
Do they have any vacancy on the first floor? I would think in that situation, he'd be better off living on the first floor to lessen the vibrations, etc. He moved in the same day as the neighbor next door. Which was a first floor apartment . We are perplexed. And we can’t move because we have a first floor apartment because my sister had a back injury and can’t walk up stairs and there’s no elevator. 🤦🏽♀️
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Post by Clair on Oct 31, 2020 4:57:14 GMT
You’re going have to find out tenant and disability laws for your state.
The tenant cannot be discriminated against for his disability. He had no obligation to move into a ground floor apartment.
Though it seems like a lifetime to you - it’s not unreasonable that nothing has been done. The landlord may be looking into his legal responsibilities and then need to decide a course of action to handle the situation.
Not to be rude but you mention trying to conceive. When your baby is born - you may be the neighbor who is disturbing the neighbors with a crying baby.
Tread lightly here.
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Post by katybee on Oct 31, 2020 6:54:00 GMT
If his machine is resting on the floor, the vibrations are going to be much worse. It could help a lot if he just picked the machine up and put it on a table of some sort… It might not solve the problem completely, but it might help.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Oct 31, 2020 7:59:39 GMT
If his machine is resting on the floor, the vibrations are going to be much worse. It could help a lot if he just picked the machine up and put it on a table of some sort… It might not solve the problem completely, but it might help. Vibrations are the worst. I often have to sleep with earplugs, which help with sound, but they do nothing for vibrations. I like the the idea of possibly getting the machine off the floor. If it’s too heavy to go anywhere else, maybe it can sit on some heavy blankets or pads. Im so sorry, and I don’t think you’re being selfish at all.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 31, 2020 8:14:31 GMT
You’re going have to find out tenant and disability laws for your state. The tenant cannot be discriminated against for his disability. He had no obligation to move into a ground floor apartment. Though it seems like a lifetime to you - it’s not unreasonable that nothing has been done. The landlord may be looking into his legal responsibilities and then need to decide a course of action to handle the situation. Not to be rude but you mention trying to conceive. When your baby is born - you may be the neighbor who is disturbing the neighbors with a crying baby. Tread lightly here. She IS treading lightly.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Oct 31, 2020 8:23:24 GMT
You’re going have to find out tenant and disability laws for your state. The tenant cannot be discriminated against for his disability. He had no obligation to move into a ground floor apartment. Though it seems like a lifetime to you - it’s not unreasonable that nothing has been done. The landlord may be looking into his legal responsibilities and then need to decide a course of action to handle the situation. Not to be rude but you mention trying to conceive. When your baby is born - you may be the neighbor who is disturbing the neighbors with a crying baby. Tread lightly here. Having a disability does not equate to having free rein to torture your neighbors. There seems to be this impression by some that anyone with a disability is entitled to say or do anything without any boundaries. That is not how discrimination works. Discrimination means treating someone differently because of their disability. OP is not asking that this man gets treated any differently than any tenant engaging in repeated nighttime noise and vibration activity that is just unreasonable. OP is also quite sensitive to what these activities, which may or may not be medical treatments, could mean to this man's quality of life. This cannot be the first time this man has likely dealt with complaints unless he has only lived in private stand-alone homes prior to moving here. OP is looking for solutions and compromise so that she can sleep and the man can take care of his health. OP may need to put her concerns in writing and may need to review her lease for noise/disruptive activity terms. No one would want or expect this man to stop treatment. But the property manager needs more urgency in looking for some solutions, stat.
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Post by nlwilkins on Oct 31, 2020 8:43:41 GMT
Have you spoke to him at all about this so you know what the possible course of action can be? You could approach him as a ally in wanting to help him find a good solution that works for everyone. You don't want to make an enemy out of a neighbor that could possibly cause future issues if not approached in the right way. Not talking to him first could be akin to going behind his back. You are not trying to stop him, but trying to find a solution that will work for both of you.
Like was mentioned above, being disabled does not give a person a free pass for keeping neighbors from sleep. But if approached in a friendly manner and sensitive manner the issue might be solved sooner.
Of course, if he is unreasonable and not wanting to work with you, then you can go ahead and talk to landlord, etc. with the knowledge you tried your best.
Just a thought, it might not even be associated with his disability? You never know -
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 12:15:11 GMT
You’re going have to find out tenant and disability laws for your state. The tenant cannot be discriminated against for his disability. He had no obligation to move into a ground floor apartment. Though it seems like a lifetime to you - it’s not unreasonable that nothing has been done. The landlord may be looking into his legal responsibilities and then need to decide a course of action to handle the situation. Not to be rude but you mention trying to conceive. When your baby is born - you may be the neighbor who is disturbing the neighbors with a crying baby. Tread lightly here. Our other neighbor had a newborn and I’ve never heard the sweet girl cry once. The walls are pretty thick. It’s not babies crying or even dogs barking that’s an issue here. It’s a machine that literally vibrates our entire apartment for an hour late at night.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 12:20:26 GMT
Have you spoke to him at all about this so you know what the possible course of action can be? You could approach him as a ally in wanting to help him find a good solution that works for everyone. You don't want to make an enemy out of a neighbor that could possibly cause future issues if not approached in the right way. Not talking to him first could be akin to going behind his back. You are not trying to stop him, but trying to find a solution that will work for both of you. Like was mentioned above, being disabled does not give a person a free pass for keeping neighbors from sleep. But if approached in a friendly manner and sensitive manner the issue might be solved sooner. Of course, if he is unreasonable and not wanting to work with you, then you can go ahead and talk to landlord, etc. with the knowledge you tried your best. Just a thought, it might not even be associated with his disability? You never know - No, I’m not a big fan of going to a neighbor directly. Never have been. This world scared me a little too much to approach someone like that. However, we did tell the complex we’d happily do a nice socially distant chat with them moderating at the clubhouse, so we’re waiting to see what they say. Other than the machine at 11PM, we have zero issues with them. They aren’t loud, don’t play music loud, don’t stomp around, etc. And I don’t know if it would bother us if he did the treatment at 5pm it would really bother us. It’s him doing it at 11PM, above my bedroom. And we know the machine is associated with his disability because it was disclosed to the office when he moved in.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 12:22:55 GMT
You’re going have to find out tenant and disability laws for your state. The tenant cannot be discriminated against for his disability. He had no obligation to move into a ground floor apartment. Though it seems like a lifetime to you - it’s not unreasonable that nothing has been done. The landlord may be looking into his legal responsibilities and then need to decide a course of action to handle the situation. Not to be rude but you mention trying to conceive. When your baby is born - you may be the neighbor who is disturbing the neighbors with a crying baby. Tread lightly here. Having a disability does not equate to having free rein to torture your neighbors. There seems to be this impression by some that anyone with a disability is entitled to say or do anything without any boundaries. That is not how discrimination works. Discrimination means treating someone differently because of their disability. OP is not asking that this man gets treated any differently than any tenant engaging in repeated nighttime noise and vibration activity that is just unreasonable. OP is also quite sensitive to what these activities, which may or may not be medical treatments, could mean to this man's quality of life. This cannot be the first time this man has likely dealt with complaints unless he has only lived in private stand-alone homes prior to moving here. OP is looking for solutions and compromise so that she can sleep and the man can take care of his health. OP may need to put her concerns in writing and may need to review her lease for noise/disruptive activity terms. No one would want or expect this man to stop treatment. But the property manager needs more urgency in looking for some solutions, stat. Thank you ❤️❤️❤️ I work with kids with disabilities and I felt like a prick when I called 😢 I just kept thinking of all my little ones and what their parents must feel like sometimes when people complain about machines they use, they squeal too loud, etc. But I also can’t work with them when I feel like a walking zombie because I’m so tired 😩
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Post by hop2 on Oct 31, 2020 12:23:54 GMT
Can anyone find out what size the machine is and see if there is a vibration isolation pad/mat that will fit under it?
They make them for things like washing machines etc.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 12:28:14 GMT
Can anyone find out what size the machine is and see if there is a vibration isolation pad/mat that will fit under it? They make them for things like washing machines etc. This is what they told us they’re looking into. The noise is going on two weeks but we just voice concern earlier this week. They said they would follow up with us when they figure out a solution that works for both tenants. So we’re going to follow up Monday if we don’t hear from them today.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 31, 2020 12:37:24 GMT
Something can be done it just depends on how much it costs. Vibration isolation is an entire field in engineering. Mostly because vibration & structure don’t go well together forever. Originally vibrations of large machinery had to be ‘isolated’ from causing damage to structures.
But as society got more & more technological and have more things it was found that even small machines can cause damage but to smaller areas. If the vibrations are that bad/strong/frequent they will wear things like flooring & subflooring. Building owners don’t like extra wear. So vibration isolation widened its field and there’s usually a solution out there. What they need to do is install vibration isolation equipment ( usually some sort of mat or pad or feet ) that isolate the vibrations.
Doesn’t always help with the noise though.
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Post by peabay on Oct 31, 2020 12:38:32 GMT
This happened to us. We were living in an apartment complex and in the middle of the night we would hear what we thought was a washer or dryer go off very loudly in the upstairs apartment. We weren't allowed to have washer/dryers so we found it really annoying. It was so loud it shook the walls. We were in a bit of a quandary because we knew the father of the complex's manager was our upstairs neighbor so we had to be careful about how we complained. The next month we went into drop off our rent check and the manager said: "I hope my dad's home dialysis machine isn't bothering you too much." We didn't complain. We just lived with it until we moved.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Oct 31, 2020 12:43:20 GMT
Unless this neighbor has given you cause to think he's a complete psycho, I don't see what is so scary about approaching your neighbor and telling him what is going on and asking if there is anything that he can do to lessen the vibrations. I'm sure he is completely unaware. If this were me and the first step you took was to have management "moderate" a conversation, I would think you were a pscyho and be less likely to go out of my way to make your life easier.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 12:47:10 GMT
Unless this neighbor has given you cause to think he's a complete psycho, I don't see what is so scary about approaching your neighbor and telling him what is going on and asking if there is anything that he can do to lessen the vibrations. I'm sure he is completely unaware. If this were me and the first step you took was to have management "moderate" a conversation, I would think you were a pscyho and be less likely to go out of my way to make your life easier. I don’t mean to be political, but as a black female living in a conservative area, I’m not comfortable doing that. I’m sorry.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 31, 2020 12:51:10 GMT
This happened to us. We were living in an apartment complex and in the middle of the night we would hear what we thought was a washer or dryer go off very loudly in the upstairs apartment. We weren't allowed to have washer/dryers so we found it really annoying. It was so loud it shook the walls. We were in a bit of a quandary because we knew the father of the complex's manager was our upstairs neighbor so we had to be careful about how we complained. The next month we went into drop off our rent check and the manager said: "I hope my dad's home dialysis machine isn't bothering you too much." We didn't complain. We just lived with it until we moved. 😢 This is why I feel awful! I’m pretty sure this man probably has no quality of life without this machine. We’ve already looked into moving this summer instead of next and hoping that while I’m sure they don’t want to move again, maybe they can take our first floor. Watching him struggle to get up the stairs sucks. And his license plate indicates he is a veteran on top of that, But I miss sleeping. I don’t like being in this situation. I prefer to deal with loud pricks with crappy music 😂
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Post by lisaknits on Oct 31, 2020 12:57:02 GMT
I wonder whether he could use his machine at another time of day? How about 7:00 pm or 9:00 am?
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 31, 2020 13:18:53 GMT
I was going to say talk to him about it. But, I understand your reluctance. What if you made a plate of cookies and put a note with it. Give your name and phone number. Say you don't want to bother him, but explain about the noise. Ask if maybe he can put a rug under the device? Tell him you understand if he can't do that.
Or, ask the apartment manager to ask about putting a rug or foam mat under the device.
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