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Post by Really Red on Nov 1, 2020 14:21:05 GMT
I have been seeing a lot of posts on Facebook that basically said "no matter how you vote, after the election I'll still be your friend."
I will not.
If someone said to me, "I hate Trump and all he stands for, but I simply cannot vote Democrat" then I could still be their friend. However, if someone actively supports Trump and thinks he's god incarnate (people say this!!!!!), then I can no longer have them as my friends. While I do not expect everyone to have all the same values and beliefs I do, I cannot, in good conscience, be friends with people who believe it is okay for LBGTQI people not to have equal rights, for people who think it's okay to be racist, homophobic and otherwise completely hateful.
I grew up in Washington, DC, with people of all beliefs and political preferences and I LOVED it. We talked and discussed and were always friends. I live in a very conservative area in the South now and for the past 18 years I have gotten along with everyone. Granted, I don't discuss politics much, but neither do they.
But I am done. This hateful destroyer of humanity should not be revered. And anyone who actively supports him and sings his praises will no longer be a part of my life.
I am making an exception for family, because sometimes that is out of your reach, like in-laws (not mine!), so this poll is ONLY for friends, where you have a choice to keep or drop them.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 1, 2020 14:26:26 GMT
I have been seeing a lot of posts on Facebook that basically said "no matter how you vote, after the election I'll still be your friend." I will not. If someone said to me, "I hate Trump and all he stands for, but I simply cannot vote Democrat" then I could still be their friend. However, if someone actively supports Trump and thinks he's god incarnate (people say this!!!!!), then I can no longer have them as my friends. While I do not expect everyone to have all the same values and beliefs I do, I cannot, in good conscience, be friends with people who believe it is okay for LBGTQI people not to have equal rights, for people who think it's okay to be racist, homophobic and otherwise completely hateful. I grew up in Washington, DC, with people of all beliefs and political preferences and I LOVED it. We talked and discussed and were always friends. I live in a very conservative area in the South now and for the past 18 years I have gotten along with everyone. Granted, I don't discuss politics much, but neither do they. But I am done. This hateful destroyer of humanity should not be revered. And anyone who actively supports him and sings his praises will no longer be a part of my life. I am making an exception for family, because sometimes that is out of your reach, like in-laws (not mine!), so this poll is ONLY for friends, where you have a choice to keep or drop them. I can never see polls on my phone. I have zero friends that are trumpers/voting for trump—by choice but in actuality, I don’t think any of my friends the last 20 years have voted for trump or anyone like him! Family is another story. Ugh. You can separate from them, avoid them, but you cannot completely makes them disappear!!!
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Post by Linda on Nov 1, 2020 14:31:07 GMT
other - I live in an area that voted 79% for Trump in 2016 - I don't know a SINGLE person locally who supports Biden. And while I have very very few local friends, I'm not sure I'm okay unilaterally dropping them entirely
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 1, 2020 14:36:04 GMT
I checked other because my personal friends aren’t Trump supporters, but I can’t say the same for some of DH’s friends. I have to grit my teeth at times to be around them when they’re spewing their nonsense. I don’t really have any control over who he chooses to be friends with.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 1, 2020 14:42:12 GMT
Not close. I just don’t feel the same way about them. I have never felt this way during a presidential election, but Trump is so bad on so many levels that I feel like I never really knew them. I’m not angry; I’m profoundly disappointed.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2020 14:43:51 GMT
I voted other. Trump supporters may not actually believe in some of Trump’s ideas and policies, but they’re willing to give those ideas and policies room to grow and fester in our country. Not OK. We can’t be friends. Fortunately, I keep only a small group of friends, and we’re politically on the same page if not in agreement on every single issue. The only Trump supporters I know well are, unfortunately, family.
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Post by tentoes on Nov 1, 2020 15:21:10 GMT
I have friends and relatives on both sides, and don't plan to get rid of any of them. Personally, I don't like either choice we were given. Both of them have serious flaws.
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 1, 2020 15:23:47 GMT
I have friends and relatives on both sides, and don't plan to get rid of any of them. Personally, I don't like either choice we were given. Both of them have serious flaws. same.
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Post by cmpeter on Nov 1, 2020 15:40:45 GMT
I don’t personally know anyone who is a rabid Trump supporter.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 1, 2020 15:59:34 GMT
Yes I will remain friends with them. They are parents of my children's friends and a good relationship is necessary. I am also in the minority around here not being a Trump supporter. To many of them, being a liberal is horrible thing. We live in an oil and gas, rural, conservative area that doesn't understand or even want to understand the issues facing the world outside our bubble. To me they are full of ignorance and stupidity and their morals don't reflect my own.
But I will also say that they watch out for my family and my children like we are their family. Every single one of them would drop everything and help if we needed. They would step in to take care of things if we were unable. They are good friends even if they suck in the polls.
My personal opinion is that around here the Republicans are selfish voters. They vote based on very specific ideas...anti-gun control, pro farmer, pro oil and gas, pro tax breaks for those types of businesses. They vote to take care of their own because they take care of there own, others should too.
I know there are racists and anti-lgbtq in my area, I'm sure most of them are. I will never defend that and if one of my friends would say something in that vein, I would not let it pass without saying something.
With all that said, the only people I have seen post that particular sentiment have been Trump supporters. They know they are being judged and they are whining about it. There us another one that is longer that is even more "woe is me." I believe they are trying to deflect and defend because they know most of the world think they are assholes
Eta: my post reads like I think my friends are racists and bigots. I do not believe that is the case. I meant that I am sure many of the people around here with the trump signs and flags are in general
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 1, 2020 16:01:08 GMT
I don’t personally know anyone who is a rabid Trump supporter. I know them, but am not friends with them.
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Post by roxley on Nov 1, 2020 16:05:31 GMT
I wonder how much if it is based on where you live? I live in a very red state. So most people I interact with I assume are republican. I think it would be easier if you live in a very blue state. I never really even noticed the people I interact with’s political stance until Trump. They all treated me normally during the Obama years, so I will try to return the favor even though their leader tries to create division between us.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 1, 2020 16:11:45 GMT
Other. She lives far away. Visits this area several times a year and we do I lunch.
Family is a bigger problem to deal with, they are young adults victims of their environment. I love them dearly.
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Post by beebee on Nov 1, 2020 16:22:04 GMT
I have both strong left and strong right in my friend and family group. I love both types of people dearly and would not think of getting rid of any in my life.
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Post by purplebee on Nov 1, 2020 16:33:21 GMT
I live in a very red, rural area. This is the first time in my life, I’m almost 69, that politics has made a difference in how I feel about the people I associate with. I have unfollowed and snoozed the more outspoken trump humpers on my FB feed, and I have not hesitated to express my disgust for trump and his cronies and my support for Biden on FB and to anyone who initiates a political conversation. I know this has caused some acquaintances to think less of me, but I don’t care and have made it plain that I will not change my views b/c at this point it is a moral rather than political stance. I have heard secondhand feedback asking what is wrong with me and how can I support socialists and people who want to destroy America and take all our rights away coming from people I liked and respected.
I do have a few friends who are Democrats, and thankfully my NY family also feel the way I do. I get my moral support from them and from reading this board and Heather Cox Richardson. You all have helped me weather the storm of trump support that I see and hear on an almost daily basis, and I thank you!
I am saddened, sickened and demoralized by what out country has become, and the political tone the predominates my town, county and state has made me question the love I have always felt for my home of 35+ years. I honestly do not know what I will do if trump wins. And while I will be overjoyed with a Biden victory, I am dreading the barrage of anti-Democratic/Liberal rhetoric that I will encounter over the next 4 years. It is a very depressing prospect, and I am at a loss of how to deal with it.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 1, 2020 16:38:10 GMT
I could probably be ok with very young people who are just starting to get interested in politics and who supported trump. They are young and easily manipulated. They have a lot of maturing to do and don't have years of experience at bullshit detecting.
Full grown adults that support that psycho are broken humans and not very bright. I have zero to do with them as their myopia makes them dangerous to be around on a lot of levels.
ETA: I am talking about trumpers, not conservatives.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Nov 1, 2020 17:16:00 GMT
I voted "other."
I have some Trump supporters who are only supporting him because of abortion/SCOTUS/"freedom of religion." They do not post daily about him, but they do not denounce him either. They do not pop up on my facebook posts defending him. They are the ones who hold their noses and vote for him because they can't imagine ever voting for a liberal. As long as they are not in my face about it, I do not mind keeping them around. I imagine they probably pray for my sole every time I post anything pro-Biden.
There are others who are over-the-top MAGAs, and most of those have already been unfollowed on FB. I don't interact with or engage the others, so they have sort of fallen out of my fb feed. I have no desire to keep them around, and if Biden wins and they are totally obnoxious about it, they will be unfriended. Same goes for the first group I listed above. I just don't have the patience for it anymore--at some point these people are "irredeemable" as friends.
As for people I am friends with in real life who are rabid trump supporters, I haven't seen any of them in person since March, so it hasn't really been a problem. One woman is ex-military, and I am going to have to work with her in a professional capacity after this is all over, regardless of how I feel about her position on trump. I unfollowed her a while ago, but I did take a peek at her fb page to see what was up with it, and she is all conspiracy, all the time. She reposts Q stuff. She doubles down on the "Obama spied on trump" crap, and the laptop has her foaming at the mouth because the "lamestream media refuses to report it." She was a journalism major as an undergrad, so that makes me even more incredulous at her position on this. She KNOWS that responsible journalists verify their sources, and this story has NO verified sources. I am predicting now that she will be insufferable after the election, and if so, I will not communicate with her beyond what is necessary for my job.
Even though I live in crimson-red WV, my local community is rather blue, and my university colleagues are pretty liberal, even within the business college, surprisingly. I would say the business college is purple, leaning to red, but the staff I work with are almost exclusively blue. I don't expect to have to worry too much about whether or not we will still be on friendly terms after the election.
And if Biden wins and decides to go along with court-packing, I CANNOT WAIT to reply with, "Oh well. Elections have consequences." to all the insufferable trump supporters on fb who have responded that way to every.single.horrible.thing. that trump did over the past 4 years.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2020 17:36:49 GMT
I think many of us have different definitions of the word “friends.” Living in Texas, of course there are Trump supporters among our work acquaintances and my kids’ friends’ parents. I can be perfectly civil and even friendly with them, work on PTO stuff with them, etc.
To me, friends are the people I choose to spend time with on the rare occasion that I participate in a social outing that is not work related for me or DH. (I say rare because I’m an introvert and don’t go out with friends that often - I need a lot of alone time to decompress on the weekends.) The people I choose to spend that time with are never going to be Trump supporters. To me, a friend has to be someone with whom I share core values and interests. We have to be able to talk about meaningful things and not have to avoid lots of topics. If I only have surface-level conversations with you, you’re not a friend - you’re an acquaintance.
Other people, like my husband, count friends as anyone with whom they’ve ever had a positive interaction. Harder to entirely exclude those with whom you disagree if that’s your gauge for friendship. No judgement; just a different way of viewing things.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 1, 2020 17:51:46 GMT
It’s times like this when I’m glad I don’t have friends. I don’t have to worry about anyone else vote and don’t have to worry if they approve of my vote which by the way is private information. I wish more people would observe that.
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 1, 2020 17:58:04 GMT
I live in a very red, rural area. This is the first time in my life, I’m almost 69, that politics has made a difference in how I feel about the people I associate with. I have unfollowed and snoozed the more outspoken trump humpers on my FB feed, and I have not hesitated to express my disgust for trump and his cronies and my support for Biden on FB and to anyone who initiates a political conversation. I know this has caused some acquaintances to think less of me, but I don’t care and have made it plain that I will not change my views b/c at this point it is a moral rather than political stance. I have heard secondhand feedback asking what is wrong with me and how can I support socialists and people who want to destroy America and take all our rights away coming from people I liked and respected. I do have a few friends who are Democrats, and thankfully my NY family also feel the way I do. I get my moral support from them and from reading this board and Heather Cox Richardson. You all have helped me weather the storm of trump support that I see and hear on an almost daily basis, and I thank you! I am saddened, sickened and demoralized by what out country has become, and the political tone the predominates my town, county and state has made me question the love I have always felt for my home of 35+ years. I honestly do not know what I will do if trump wins. And while I will be overjoyed with a Biden victory, I am dreading the barrage of anti-Democratic/Liberal rhetoric that I will encounter over the next 4 years. It is a very depressing prospect, and I am at a loss of how to deal with it. I LOVE this! Might have to add it to my vocabulary!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 1, 2020 17:59:49 GMT
I am really struggling with this.
I don't have many close friends, and most of the people I talk to the most are parents of my kids' friends. I have been really surprised at how many of them are either avid Trump supporters or those who say "I don't like everything he says or does, but I can't vote Democratic." I don't consider those people to all be lumped in the same group, but I don't give the latter a pass. I think they are still ignorant at best. Either they do truly believe in the things that this administration (and let's be honest, most of the current Republicans in office at any level) are doing or they have ignorant beliefs about what it means to be a Democrat or look deeper than the R or D label. I do have pretty gut level responses to those people right now. If Biden wins, that might fade for some of them. But I will never forget the things that many people have posted. I will be civil to them but won't seek out their friendship. And I am leary about sending my kids to hang out with theirs or go to their house.
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Post by peano on Nov 1, 2020 18:08:32 GMT
Much like what Merge said, I don't have any close friends, except one, who have views much different than mine. It's just I am drawn to people with the same kinds of values that I have. The one friend, though not a rabid Trump supporter, is someone who has been historically indifferent to politics, and has remained as insulated as she can through her indifference. She has become much more an evangelical Christian than when we were kids (I used to go to church with her)and so our values and beliefs started diverging even before the last election. We had a major blowout over gay rights a few years ago, and our relationship has never been the same.
I am much more consumed with what my relationship with several family members is going to look like. I can't just forget about the MAGA-hat photos and repulsive memes some of them have posted. I don't know how to have a relationship with someone on a different reality plane; a plane based upon lies.
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Post by shessoaverage on Nov 1, 2020 18:15:50 GMT
I checked other because I made the decision, in 2016, not to let politics ruin my friendship with the person who's been my best friend since I was 15. I decided a friendship could be non-political. She made a different decision, calling me a "Hillary lover" (definitely not true - I don't particularly like HC, but I thought Trump was and is a worse choice). It's been very painful.
The worst part of this whole thing has been realizing that we walk among people who are so deluded and filled with hate. I feel very hopeless.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 1, 2020 18:18:32 GMT
I kind of want to amend my post a little, but wanted it separate.
If one of my friends participated in voter intimidation or the crap on the highway, that would be different than voting for him. THAT would probably change my mind.
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Post by heckofagal on Nov 1, 2020 18:19:32 GMT
I have some friends/family who I know voted for trump but still believe in the virus and take precautions. We don’t discuss politics. I have some friends/family who voted for trump and think the virus is overblown or no big deal. I think my relationships with them may be a bit strained for awhile. Not just from my side as I know they feel a certain way about me too. But I’m hoping Biden can become our next president and with trump out of office our nation can heal a bit. I think he has caused much of this tension. And hopefully shortly down the road these relationships can be mended.
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Post by karinec on Nov 1, 2020 18:47:18 GMT
I’ve already cut out the rabid Trump supporter. She was the only one. I don’t intend on acquiring any more.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 1, 2020 19:28:02 GMT
It would be extremely hard for me to cut out all the rabid trump friends and family in my life. I did unfriend an aunt of mine from facebook, and another good friend of my dh's. I live in a very red part of a blue state. It is also an environmental job area, that is supported by republicans. My dh is also republican. In all the years we have been married, we have never fought this much about politics until this President. It's sad really. He thinks Trump is an idiot, doesn't' like him at all, but is he going to vote for him? No. He will most likely vote independent. Which I told him is dumb. He just can't get behind Biden either, and honestly I have my doubts about Biden also, but will vote for him.
Here's the deal with being a republican or democrat. I find it very hard ot believe in the whole ticket, their whole agenda. My dh, aunt and friend are NOT racist. Nor do they not support LGBT. They support that. BUT they are all about the republican economics and business. My dh doesn't think Biden can or will do the same. Now me on the other hand..I believe in pro-choice, but I do not believe in late term abortions. Something my republican friends adamantly believe that we are doing. So that is why I would keep my republican friends. I enjoy a good conversation/discussion with my republican friends, but right now, we are talking a break from any discussions until after the election.
Has this clouded how I feel about some of my republican friends and family? For sure. Probably them for me also, being that I live in such a Red part of the state. My one friend told me, "you just don't fit in here, you should live in the cities". Yea, so that's what I've been feeling the last 35 years of not fitting in? It makes sense now.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 1, 2020 19:55:56 GMT
Some of us don’t have that luxury, by virtue of where they live, unfortunately.
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Post by quinlove on Nov 1, 2020 20:29:25 GMT
I live in a very red, rural area. This is the first time in my life, I’m almost 69, that politics has made a difference in how I feel about the people I associate with. I have unfollowed and snoozed the more outspoken trump humpers on my FB feed, and I have not hesitated to express my disgust for trump and his cronies and my support for Biden on FB and to anyone who initiates a political conversation. I know this has caused some acquaintances to think less of me, but I don’t care and have made it plain that I will not change my views b/c at this point it is a moral rather than political stance. I have heard secondhand feedback asking what is wrong with me and how can I support socialists and people who want to destroy America and take all our rights away coming from people I liked and respected. I do have a few friends who are Democrats, and thankfully my NY family also feel the way I do. I get my moral support from them and from reading this board and Heather Cox Richardson. You all have helped me weather the storm of trump support that I see and hear on an almost daily basis, and I thank you! I am saddened, sickened and demoralized by what out country has become, and the political tone the predominates my town, county and state has made me question the love I have always felt for my home of 35+ years. I honestly do not know what I will do if trump wins. And while I will be overjoyed with a Biden victory, I am dreading the barrage of anti-Democratic/Liberal rhetoric that I will encounter over the next 4 years. It is a very depressing prospect, and I am at a loss of how to deal with it. I could have written this word for word almost. Do people in your rural, red area wear masks ? Add this to my attitude towards my fellow neighbors. I’m definitely in the small minority here. Most of my friends from around here are showing me sides of them that is disturbing to me. Sides of them that I never had any clue about. Trump’s damage to our country and our people will last for a very long time.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 1, 2020 20:31:42 GMT
I could have written this word for word almost. Do people in your rural, red area wear masks ? Add this to my attitude towards my fellow neighbors. I’m definitely in the small minority here. Most of my friends from around here are showing me sides of them that is disturbing to me. Sides of them that I never had any clue about. Trump’s damage to our country and it’s people will last for a very long time. Nope. Hardly any, unless they are required too, like in stores. I really don't get how the whole mask and COVID became so political. dumb.
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