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Post by hop2 on Nov 12, 2020 16:27:18 GMT
Yes, but we have to make sure the displaced workers are trained for new jobs. The world is not what it what once, and jobs that pay a living wage require some training. That sounds so easy - but what jobs would there be? I can understand why people are upset at the loss of their livelihood. It won't be an easy transition and it won't be as simple as training for a new job, where there are no jobs to be had. Well, it’s that old pull yourself up by your bootstraps thing. You gotta do what you gotta do. I’m on my 2nd career now after a huge downturn in my first career. No it is not easy, but you do what you have to. You pick yourself up, you go retraining yourself and you move on. Sticking your head in the sand and singing La la la la my job will be fine, my industry will be fine won’t help either. Btw I did that on my own, no government help. No, it’s not easy, but sometimes there is not another choice. Although I do expect that the government should ASSIST with retraining workers from a dying industry. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 12, 2020 16:33:43 GMT
We also need more people entering the skilled trades - plumbers and mechanics can make very good money. Yes on this! We are in a great shortage of those skilled trades in my area! I do not know a great deal about the solar industry, and I hope their are plenty of jobs that can actually pay a living wage and beyond that. I am more familiar with the wind industry, and I know it has some great jobs, but many of these are contract type employment and may be great for a year or two, but then nothing after that. I am also seeing some sad stuff with the wind energy in my area. They are replacing all the blades on some of the older windmills with larger blades. The old blades are hauled to one landfill and crushed and buried. I guess once they are covered over with dirt, we will forget about them? Hopefully nothing leeches into the ground water from them. There have also been 3 incidences recently where the new blades have come apart during operation and it is quite catastrophic. Luckily no one was nearby, but that would not be impossible. They are in the middle of crop fields, and people do have to work and harvest that ground. I am also seen some friends dealing with the 'shadowing' from the windmills. The blades cause a continuous 'blink' of shadow for a fair amount of time each day. It is worse now, as the sun is lower across the sky. Can you imagine a constant blink blink blink of light/shadow. The windmills are not on their land and they get no monetary compensation from them. I can understand their problem, and although wind energy surrounds me, it is not close enough for that issue. I do see the constant blink of red at night though. I know a young person who works as a plumber doing emergency calls Friday night thru Sunday in the metro area & thats it. 2.5 days a week and they make 6 figures. You get a premium for calls on weekends so that’s all they do. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2020 19:31:11 GMT
Totally, but propping up a dying industry with the same tax dollars is totes cool capitalism. 🙄 No that’s exactly not capitalism. Capitalism, total capitalism, is where you live or die as a business or industry by the free market. Corporate welfare is still welfare, it is still altering their precious ‘free market’. I’m not saying supporting certain businesses thru rough times isn’t necessary but then again I’m not asking for complete unregulated capitalism either. But hey, as long as billionaires get their handouts it’ll ‘trickle down right? 😜 How’s that working out fir the laid off people? I know. Sorry, forgot the sarcasm font. 😂 |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2020 19:33:19 GMT
That sounds so easy - but what jobs would there be? I can understand why people are upset at the loss of their livelihood. It won't be an easy transition and it won't be as simple as training for a new job, where there are no jobs to be had. Well, it’s that old pull yourself up by your bootstraps thing. You gotta do what you gotta do. I’m on my 2nd career now after a huge downturn in my first career. No it is not easy, but you do what you have to. You pick yourself up, you go retraining yourself and you move on. Sticking your head in the sand and singing La la la la my job will be fine, my industry will be fine won’t help either. Btw I did that on my own, no government help. No, it’s not easy, but sometimes there is not another choice. Although I do expect that the government should ASSIST with retraining workers from a dying industry. I get it, and in normal cases, most people can retrain and move on. I think government help is a good idea when we’re talking about many thousands in a short period of time. The potential economic impact of that many people out of work simultaneously and without adequate support - as we’ve seen during the pandemic - is disastrous. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 12, 2020 20:00:10 GMT
No that’s exactly not capitalism. Capitalism, total capitalism, is where you live or die as a business or industry by the free market. Corporate welfare is still welfare, it is still altering their precious ‘free market’. I’m not saying supporting certain businesses thru rough times isn’t necessary but then again I’m not asking for complete unregulated capitalism either. But hey, as long as billionaires get their handouts it’ll ‘trickle down right? 😜 How’s that working out fir the laid off people? I know. Sorry, forgot the sarcasm font. 😂 No I got you, but blowing off steam about how it’s not capitalism Lol sorry |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 12, 2020 20:09:09 GMT
Well, it’s that old pull yourself up by your bootstraps thing. You gotta do what you gotta do. I’m on my 2nd career now after a huge downturn in my first career. No it is not easy, but you do what you have to. You pick yourself up, you go retraining yourself and you move on. Sticking your head in the sand and singing La la la la my job will be fine, my industry will be fine won’t help either. Btw I did that on my own, no government help. No, it’s not easy, but sometimes there is not another choice. Although I do expect that the government should ASSIST with retraining workers from a dying industry. I get it, and in normal cases, most people can retrain and move on. I think government help is a good idea when we’re talking about many thousands in a short period of time. The potential economic impact of that many people out of work simultaneously and without adequate support - as we’ve seen during the pandemic - is disastrous. It is, which is why the government should provide assistance but apparently that’s an issue for the GOP, they’d rather pay billionaires and hope & pray & cross their fingers that those billionaires do the right thing with that money & retrain people ( as if ) But my post was about the people all saying it’s too hard. Yes it’s hard, but the alternative is worse if we are talking about a dying industry. If your in the ‘old’ industry that’s being replaced. Pretending it’s not going to happen isn’t going to help. And removing restrictions & propping the rich owners up also doesn’t help if you think it does then reference the coal industry and even with all the back room deals Trump pulled to prop that up there’s less jobs there than there was 4 years ago. The rich owners pocketed the money and didn't help the workers. They NEED to be retrained - no matter how much corporate welfare we throw at the coal industry it will continue to shrink. That is a fact. It’s old technology. You’ll still need it for industrial manufacturing but that’s a fraction of what used now, a small fraction. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 21:37:03 GMT
Pretending it’s not going to happen isn’t going to help. And removing restrictions & propping the rich owners up also doesn’t help if you think it does then reference the coal industry Amen. The world is moving on. The worst we could do is continue to throw good money into old ideas. The best we can do is throw good money into infrastructure, building and retraining. A better world really is out there. But we have to fight the dinosaurs who sit on the ill-gotten gains of the old world (and I mean since the robber-baron days) to get it. |
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