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Post by farmdpea on Nov 7, 2014 16:43:42 GMT
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id be interested to hear some of your thoughts. I have many, but I am (obviously) biased as a retail pharmacist.
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Post by samcro on Nov 7, 2014 16:52:25 GMT
Scary. I think the customers may unknowingly contribute to this problem, with our society wanting everything RIGHT NOW. I'd much rather wait a few minutes longer and have the correct Rx than get the wrong medicine quicker.
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Post by basketdiva on Nov 7, 2014 17:38:29 GMT
I write down the name of the drug before handing over a prescription to compare it to the label when I get the rx. Too many people just accept what is handed to them without looking. And if you are not sure about the drug, there are websites that will detail the drug shape and color.
I'm not saying it's all the patient's responsibility, I'm saying that we have to take some responsiblility for our health. And if mistakes are continually made by the same pharmacy, complain loudly and change pharmacy's
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Nov 7, 2014 19:37:24 GMT
I write down the name of the drug before handing over a prescription to compare it to the label when I get the rx. Too many people just accept what is handed to them without looking. And if you are not sure about the drug, there are websites that will detail the drug shape and color. I'm not saying it's all the patient's responsibility, I'm saying that we have to take some responsiblility for our health. And if mistakes are continually made by the same pharmacy, complain loudly and change pharmacy's I don't remember the last time I was handed a paper prescription. Our doctor's send them electronically to the pharmacy now. I do look over the information the pharmacy gives about the medication, and I google new ones. My insurance changed last year, and I am pretty much stuck with CVS. I really miss the personal touch of my previous pharmacy. I really do feel like a number there - and a big one at that, based on the lines and the wait time. The first time I filled a prescription there, it was a transfer from their mail order site, and they didn't get it. It took 3 days to resolve the issue - while I was out of medication - and once they did, they didn't start filling it until I was in the store. After I waited over an hour, I received a text telling me it was ready, only to realize it was one that had been sitting on a counter for at least 30 minutes. I saw the tech look at it earlier, but she didn't bother to call the name, despite noting that I was waiting when I arrived. Once I received my text, I had to wait in a line at least 10 people deep (had to wait in it twice - once to drop off and once to pick up and pay), and they were as slow as could be. I've never actually been spoken to or even made eye contact with a pharmacist there. The last time I was there, I talked with the tech a few minutes, and she said the long waits were because they weren't allowed to hire more people. It is just so impersonal, that I bet it is hard to remember the importance of the job.
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Post by gale w on Nov 7, 2014 21:04:18 GMT
After reading stories about pharmacy mistakes I always double check pills online before we take them.
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Post by peanutterbutter on Nov 7, 2014 21:06:02 GMT
I understand this is a growing concern, and I do think that the NOW mentality of our world plays heavily into it. I would rather wait extra time to ensure correctness of something that is potentially life-threatening if dispensed incorrectly. Do I love standing in the pharmacy line - nope. But I will accept it as necessary to ensure my health and well-being. The people at my local (grocery store chain) pharmacy are never ever ever just standing around - I seriously wonder if they even get time to eat sometimes!
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Post by birukitty on Nov 7, 2014 21:34:57 GMT
I have to agree-it's part of the world we live in now, and it sucks, but we can't turn back the clock, can we? So what do we do? We take our part of the responsibility that we can in it and check our prescriptions every time they are filled. It isn't that difficult, especially these days with the Internet. Can you imagine trying to do this 15 years ago before the Internet was in place by just using a book?
Even if you don't get paper prescriptions anymore (and what's up with that, I guess it's different in different areas, but where I live we still get them) your doctor tells you he is giving you a prescription for X. Ask him how to spell it and write it down or key it into your smart phone. That way you know what it is that your doctor has prescribed for you. I personally have a terrible memory and carry a tiny journal with me everywhere that I make notes in (I don't have a smart phone yet, don't need one).
Once you get home from the pharmacy, check your medication before you take it for the first time just to be sure. We should be doing this anyway, because an accident can happen at anytime, not just now when they are overworked.
Personally at least around here I've haven't found CVS to be that bad. We usually use our local Giant Food store pharmacy (and they are annoying because they never have anything in stock and always have to order everything) but sometimes I'll use the CVS pharmacy in town because they have one that's open 24 hours. That really comes in handy sometimes! Especially when a migraine hits and I discover I'm out of my migraine meds.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by compwalla on Nov 7, 2014 22:00:25 GMT
Even when I don't get a piece of paper to take to the pharmacy I make sure I understand what specific medication I'm being prescribed and how we're supposed to take it. This goes for me and for my kids. I also ask what the name of the generic is because I know my insurance will insist on the generic if it's available. The pharmacy we use also prints a picture and description of the tablets on the information they staple to the bag so I also make sure what's in the bottle matches the description. It not that I think our pharmacy sucks it's just that I work in healthcare analytics and I know that medical professionals are human beings who make mistakes. I count those mistakes every day. I think it's just a wise idea to make doubly sure what we're taking is the right stuff in the right dose. I also think pushing a pharmacist to fill prescriptions faster and faster is really unwise. Companies are working as if a certain number of med errors per whatever is acceptable when really there is no number of med errors that's acceptable from the patient's point of view.
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Post by farmdpea on Nov 8, 2014 0:12:00 GMT
I also think pushing a pharmacist to fill prescriptions faster and faster is really unwise. Companies are working as if a certain number of med errors per whatever is acceptable when really there is no number of med errors that's acceptable from the patient's point of view. That's the bottom line for me. No one is perfect...and never will be. However, trying to squeeze more and more work out of each person is just a recipe for disaster. As **GypsyGirl** mentioned, I would love to spend time with each patient, but there simply isn't enough time to allow that. JustCallMeMommy, I woke for a large chain, but I feel like we give the patients "home town" service. I hate that you didn't get the same. Part of the reason? We don't have a drive through. One of the dumbest things to happen to retail pharmacy. It's true that we are all expected to work with a skeleton crew, too. Me and a technician "manning" 5 stations (6 if there is a drive through), the phone ringing, prescriptions being sent in electronically and faxed. It's probably not that they were slow, it's that a lot of our work isn't visible from the other side of the counter. I don't know the answer, but I think more support staff and people losing the fast food mentality are a good start.
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Post by Suziee2 on Nov 8, 2014 0:31:25 GMT
I also think pushing a pharmacist to fill prescriptions faster and faster is really unwise. Companies are working as if a certain number of med errors per whatever is acceptable when really there is no number of med errors that's acceptable from the patient's point of view. That's the bottom line for me. No one is perfect...and never will be. However, trying to squeeze more and more work out of each person is just a recipe for disaster. As **GypsyGirl** mentioned, I would love to spend time with each patient, but there simply isn't enough time to allow that. JustCallMeMommy, I woke for a large chain, but I feel like we give the patients "home town" service. I hate that you didn't get the same. Part of the reason? We don't have a drive through. One of the dumbest things to happen to retail pharmacy. It's true that we are all expected to work with a skeleton crew, too. Me and a technician "manning" 5 stations (6 if there is a drive through), the phone ringing, prescriptions being sent in electronically and faxed. It's probably not that they were slow, it's that a lot of our work isn't visible from the other side of the counter. I don't know the answer, but I think more support staff and people losing the fast food mentality are a good start. My daughter is a pharmacist. She has complained about this for years from the time she was just a pharmacy tech. Swore she would NEVER work for the large chain once she became a pharmacist because they push and push to get things done faster with less help. She no longer works retail but sees it in the industry as well. Too busy, too few techs, too few pharmacists and a race to get things out and extra duties put on everyone to cut costs.
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Post by tincin on Nov 8, 2014 2:08:23 GMT
I have received the wrong pills before. Luckily it was a prescription I had taken on a regular basis so I knew when I saw the pills they were not the right ones. The bottle was mine, with the correct drug name on it but the pills were wrong. I immediately took it back to the pharmacy where I received an apology and they redid the prescription but I wondered for quite a while if they had traded my drug with another person's drug and if they corrected theirs as well. I believe they are pushed to do more with less, just like most people are in their jobs these days. It's all about productivity, how much can you do with the least amount of manpower. Why would pharmacists be any different, after all they are doing it in hospitals with nurses, replacing RNs with aides and just having RNs supervise them.
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Post by scissorsister7 on Nov 8, 2014 2:18:59 GMT
My daughter is a licensed pharmacy tech at a CVS in Texas. She talks about how short-handed they are all the time. After a CVS pharmacy made a mistake on one of my prescriptions (not the one where my daughter works) I asked her how that could have happened and she said, "It's so easy to make a mistake with all the time limits they put on us." Very sad but I think mistakes at the pharmacy happen more often than people realize
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 2:29:10 GMT
Lately my sister, who is a pharmacist, has been complaining of all the extra duties they are having to do as a result of Obamacare. She definitely has complained about the added pressure because of the expectations and shortcomings of the big chain she works for, but the added paperwork and duties from Obamacare has put the stress level completely over the top.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 8, 2014 3:08:14 GMT
Out CVS has been great. And with the mail in prescriptions they text or email when it ready. I don't even go there until they text. Then I go and it's pretty quick.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 8, 2014 3:31:21 GMT
Lately my sister, who is a pharmacist, has been complaining of all the extra duties they are having to do as a result of Obamacare. She definitely has complained about the added pressure because of the expectations and shortcomings of the big chain she works for, but the added paperwork and duties from Obamacare has put the stress level completely over the top. Sigh. I am a pharmacist. Canadian. One of the big negatives about retail pharmacy is the paperwork and insurance. Lots of that. The reason its a problem? The customers all think their insurance is better than it is. The customers don't know their own insurance. Doctors write prescriptions for drugs that no insurance company in their right mind would pay for. Jodster, go to the drug monkey's blog. Or Google "why your prescription takes so damned long to fill". That is why there are so many problems. It's not the paperwork. It people didn't want their drugs in 2 seconds, the pressure would be off and there would be less mistakes. Drive thru pharmacies are an abomination, filling a prescription should never be like fast food. If it wasn't about speed at all costs, paperwork would not be a big problem. This is not a political problem. The the reason the chains put on so much pressure? The almighty dollar. The shareholders want money so put those scripts through faster. The customer wants it now or will go somewhere else so put those scripts through faster. Do it fast, do it right and do it with little staff so that the shareholders don't have to pay wages to pharmacists, technicians and assistants.
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Post by dazeepetals on Nov 8, 2014 3:40:48 GMT
These reasons are the [HASH]1 reason I didn't go into retail pharmacy after I graduated pharmacy school. I worked for Walgreens for 7 years, starting in high school and throughout my college/pharmacy school years. I saw the stress and how retail pharmacy was becoming more about the numbers than it was about patients to the corporate world. I couldn't imagine spending my life in a workplace that I couldn't use my clinical skills to the degree I was trained. So I did 2 years of residency specializing in Oncology and now work as a Clinical Pharmacy Specialist in a very large cancer hospital.
I think being behind the counter has completely changed my view of much our world is all about "now, now, now". When we need prescriptions filled, I give the pharmacy days ahead of time to get it refilled and when it's a new prescription I give that pharmacy at least 1.5 hours before I drive up there to pick it up. If it's not quite ready, I wait patiently for it realizing that the extra time gives the pharmacy staff a chance to do things properly. Patients really have no clue the stresses behind the counter because they can't seen everything the staff is doing. The constant phone calls that interrupt you during you task, the constant cries of "this patient is getting really upset that this isn't ready", to the time taken away from work to call insurance companies because the patient swears their copay should be $5 not the $10 that the insurance company is sending. It's not an easy life and I've heard stats of retail pharmacy having a higher rate of stress issues and/or depression or substance abuse.
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Post by jenjie on Nov 8, 2014 4:12:09 GMT
And now at CVS the pharmacy department also rings up your purchases as they dispense your meds. Then there's the surveys. I couldn't believe what I heard her say to another customer. "The survey will ask if the pharmacist discussed your prescription with you. He's not here but if he were here, he would have so please say that he did." 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 5:00:53 GMT
I don't need to google anything. I'm very close to my sister, and she has been in retail pharmacy since 1974. She was a pharmacy tech, and then became a pharmacist, and is still working.
40 plus years of experience, and she talks to me at least weekly about things going on in her pharmacy. So her opinion may not jive with yours, but I don't need to read some random stranger's opinion, when I already know someone who's worked in retail pharmacy for 40+ years.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 8, 2014 5:24:23 GMT
you are right Jodster, you don't need some random stranger's opinion. I worked retail for 19 years, 16 of them big box pharmacy. I got out 8 years ago and now work in a smaller cancer center. It's heaven. I don't worry about any insurance issues at all, what I do is provided through our health care system and we don't charge the patients. My only concerns is their support meds. Do they have drug coverage to help pay for them at their community pharmacy.
I stand by my assertation that the paperwork would not be a problem if people weren't so darned impatient. I want my drugs and I want them now. What do you mean it will take 30 minutes to fill 10 prescriptions? I'm old you know, I don't have time to wait (while the mom with 3 kids, one of whom has a raging ear infection just waits quietly). Big box pharmacy is all about numbers. Get them through, get them through fast. Insurance companies are all about denying claims. I think this situation is much worse in the US than it is in Canada from the pharmacist blogs I follow.
I am sure that adding a new insurance plan such as Obamacare adds to the load of paperwork. But if there wasn't the pressure to just go, go, go, get it done, done right and done right now, there would be time to do the paperwork. I do think the paperwork is out of control but I also think it's been getting worse slowly but steadily for a long time now.
If there wasn't the pressure of the almighty dollar, if it wasn't about maximizing profits for the shareholders to squeeze every last drop (cut staffing, enforce quotas, maximum wait times etc) then it would be much calmer in the pharmacy world. The paperwork involved with adjudicating Obamacare type claims may have gone up and caused a lot more work on that end but it still wouldn't be the issue that it is without the corporate culture that is going on.
As I said, this is not a political thing, it's an economics thing. Capitalism gone wild in some ways. If it wasn't all about increasing profits on a yearly basis then things would be better.
As an example of that, a major Canadian bank just cut a lot of jobs in Canada. Was the bank losing money? No! They made 7 billion dollars in profits last year. Doing the cuts saved them money of course....maximize that profit margin. At what point is enough profit enough? I would think 7 billion dollars in profits in a year should be enough for anybody or any company.
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Post by farmdpea on Nov 8, 2014 5:59:55 GMT
The other thing about reading the blogs is that you read the comments as well. Then, you see some things are universal problems. It certainly makes you feel better to know that you aren't in it alone. But you also feel sad that the system is so broken. I can't find the exact quote, but up thread someone mentioned wondering if the staff has time to eat. My techs are all required to take breaks and I make sure that they do. However, I work a 12 hour shift with no breaks. It makes you feel really "professional" to squat down behind a monitor and shove part of a protein bar in your mouth when it's 3 pm and you didn't get to sit down and have any lunch. Some locations have one pharmacist on duty for 14 hours, and then they work a 14 hour shift the next day. I don't see how they do it. delilahtwo, do y'all have the same type of e-prescribing in Canada? That seems to have brought a whole new set of problems. I *love* reading the rants that The Cynical Pharmacist has on those! Those are on Facebook for anyone interested.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 6:17:47 GMT
I took in a paper Rx to the pharmacy today. My doctor used to just use her digital signature but now she has both her digital and pen signature on it.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 8, 2014 7:26:26 GMT
Farmdpea I don't think we have e-prescribing as you describe. I remember when faxing started and that was a big deal. But I am out of the loop, 8 years in a hospital setting will do that to you. My doctor still hand writes prescriptions on an old fashioned pad of paper but most prescriptions now are computer generated. I am now prescribing, something I thought I would never do and I use our computer software to generate the scripts but I sign them and either give them to the patient or fax it to their pharmacy.
I'll have to follow the cynical pharmacist. Have you followed the drug monkey? He's much happier since he was fired from rite aid and now owns a small independent store.
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Post by farmdpea on Nov 8, 2014 7:39:06 GMT
I have seen Drug Monkey before, but had forgotten about that one. I'll have to check it out!
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Post by scrappinghappy on Nov 8, 2014 13:48:12 GMT
I used to be a retail pharmacist. I quit pharmacy when I realized a mistake someone else made, or even I made, could kill someone, under my watch. I could never live with myself.
So I switched careers, and have never looked back.
I do check everything, even ask to check vials for vaccines, but I always just thought I was hyper vigilant because of my training.
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Post by hollymolly on Nov 8, 2014 15:07:28 GMT
I would love to have a choice of pharmacies and choose one that is not owned by a large corporation that cares more about profits than lives, but my insurance dictates where I go. I pay out of pocket for my hormone replacement therapy because I have to get it at a compounding pharmacy, but fortunately it's only $42/month. To me, it's worth it because it makes me feel so much better than what I used to get from a regular pharmacy.
The other issue is that for maintenance meds, I am forced to go through CVS and get a 90 day supply. Well we just have one CVS in Arkansas, and it just opened a few months ago. It's not convenient to me at all, but I am just grateful to have a brick and mortar store to go to now. My only other option is CVS mail order, and with my travel schedule, my meds could sit in my mailbox for days. I live in the south. It can't be good to have meds in my mailbox when it's 100 degrees outside. I've been lucky enough so far that my only regular scripts were for the hormones, but now I have this neurological thing going on and I'll be taking daily meds for who knows how long. Got the letter from insurance last week that they won't pay for my next script unless I get the 90 day from CVS.
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Post by BeckyTech on Nov 8, 2014 15:09:37 GMT
I love drive-through pharmacies. As a matter of fact, I prefer my local Walgreen's over any place else because they have a drive-through. I have a leg issue and having to park and walk to one of the farthest points of the store does not make me very happy. I expect the same wait times at the drive-through as I would if I walked into the store, and that is absolutely fine with me. It's less painful to wait sitting down in my car than standing in line.
When I drop off a prescription, I almost always tell them I won't be by to pick it up for a few hours. I don't need them to have it ready in 40 minutes and I want them to know they can put other people ahead of me. Unless something extraordinary is going on (tooth infection and I need to start on the antibiotics ASAP in order to get some relief) I don't need super fast service.
The other reason I really like my local Walgreen's is a pharmacy tech. Erica has gone "above and beyond" for me a few times over the years (helping with insurance issues and questions, and various other matters) and she never makes me feel like a number. Many of their other techs are nice as well, so I prefer to go there (and even pay a couple of bucks more) than to go almost anywhere else around here. And I have a plenty of other choices: grocery store, Target, Walmart, and Costco.
I hate my local Costco. When you order a prescription 2 or 3 days in advance of your pick-up date and go in only to find that they don't have it in stock ... well, that is unacceptable. (They did get a new pharmacist there, but it left a very bad taste for the place.) I used to have to get my mom's prescriptions at her local Walmart and I hated going there as well. They had the unfriendliest service and least helpful people there. I don't chat or expect anything extraordinary, just don't be short, bordering on rude, with me, especially if I have a question about the medication.
I do pay attention to the product I receive as I know that mistakes can happen, but I'm vigilant and don't worry unduly about it.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Nov 8, 2014 15:36:06 GMT
Lately my sister, who is a pharmacist, has been complaining of all the extra duties they are having to do as a result of Obamacare. She definitely has complained about the added pressure because of the expectations and shortcomings of the big chain she works for, but the added paperwork and duties from Obamacare has put the stress level completely over the top. I have a friend that also started as a pharmacy tech in the USAF and is now a pharmacist at a compounding pharmacy. She had worked in retail, but she said that it was no different than what she did as a pharmacy tech, just MORE responsibilities and less time to do it, and that was before the "Obamacare" stuff. Other than one time picking up a painkiller and antibiotics when I had a tooth abcess, I am very willing to wait or to come back later. That one time, after the emergency root canal I went back and apologized for being a (rhymes with witch), I really felt worse when that pharmacy tech told me that "most customers are that way, not the ones in real distress." And it was very rare that anyone ever apologized for it - ever. More than one pharmacist or tech has educated me on the medications, including side effects and reactions to watch for; has kept me from mixing incompatible OTCs and prescriptions, and in a pinch, recommended an OTC remedy or medication that would hold me till I get in to see a medical practitioner. What pharmacists and techs do is very important, life saving and vastly under appreciated!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 17:39:28 GMT
The customers pharmacies deal with are insane. My sister has told me stories that are unbelievable!
And I always give pharmacies at least 4-5 hours (usually at least 12) to fill mine too, unless it's an emergency.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Nov 8, 2014 23:22:56 GMT
I write down the name of the drug before handing over a prescription to compare it to the label when I get the rx. Too many people just accept what is handed to them without looking. And if you are not sure about the drug, there are websites that will detail the drug shape and color. I'm not saying it's all the patient's responsibility, I'm saying that we have to take some responsiblility for our health. And if mistakes are continually made by the same pharmacy, complain loudly and change pharmacy's Few years ago there were a few big mistakes that made the local news. I started making sure I knew exactly what I was getting, name, dosing, etc. I come home and make sure the pill matches (can be checked online.) A mistake can be deadly, not taking the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 0:14:07 GMT
I also haven't had a paper prescription in several years. Timing them is just wrong.  In my state they are required for ADD meds. It is a PITA. I need to remember at least seven days before they run out. The doctor is over 40 miles away. It can take up to a week for them to send the prescription in the mail. I could go to their office and it can take up to 3 days. Two of those days being 1/2 days that they are open. I admit, I need to be better at staying on top of this. 
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