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Post by bc2ca on Dec 11, 2020 22:59:28 GMT
do you mean if they were on the clock, working? I don't see how a death can be considered Line of Duty just because someone's employment happens to be that profession. if I'm a logger, and I die of a heart attack at home in my recliner, is my death because of logging? eta: I see you answered my question in the post above... it still doesn't make sense to me, but whatever. it smacks a bit of the whole 'someone got tested for COVID but died of a heart attack, and they still wrote COVID as their cause of death' fiction that's going around. It doesn't make sense to me either. Of the four drowning deaths, two happened while on duty. The other two were tragic, and both involved the officers trying to rescue their own child, but were not related to their job in any way.  |
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Post by lucyg on Dec 12, 2020 21:51:20 GMT
It is not true that any death of a law enforcement officer is considered line-of-duty. I don’t know where that information is coming from, but it is mistaken. Maybe the media got it wrong?
To be listed as a line-of-duty death by the NLEOMF, a death first has to be approved by the DOJ as line-of-duty. There are stringent requirements to meet that standard. A lot of federal money is involved so they make sure the death legitimately occurred in the line of duty, and they disallow some that maybe should be.
Heart attacks and some cancers were added to the list years ago, because they are presumed to be duty-related. I guess some of them are not actually, but it’s hard to prove which are and which aren’t.
(And duty-related is not the same thing as line-of-duty, actually. They are treated differently. I don’t know where COVID deaths fall on that spectrum. I guess I could go read up on that.)
ETA I also don’t know if a COVID death is presumed line-of-duty or if there needs to be evidence it was actually contracted on duty. And if it’s being treated as line-of-duty or duty-related. I’m looking.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 12, 2020 22:14:04 GMT
Here are some different 2020 figures from the NLEOMF. These should be more reliable (and more conservative) than the Officer Down Memorial Page, which is what was referenced in the OP. ODMP is self-reported, and not, as far as I know, vetted. nleomf.org/preliminary-fatalitiesThey show around 90 deaths attributable to guns and motor vehicles, and around 100 for all other causes combined. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 14:05:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 14:49:46 GMT
Just before I retired I was on my commute bus on my way to SF’s Financial District when the bus was rerouted. I got off and made my way to my office on California Street. When I got there I found all kind of police cars surrounding an overturned SUV,
Some guy high jacked an SUV in the East Bay, was pursued across the Bay Bridge and ended up by my office where he flipped the SUV. Not knowing the guy was running from the police people on their way to work went to help him and he started shooting at them. You know with a gun. The SF police arrived and got into a gun battle with this guy until he was killed.
Does this sort of thing happen all the time where officers get into a gun fights. No but the potential of it happening is always present. In this case no officers were killed. But that may not always be the case.
Would you make the same statement about firefighters? I mean if you check the numbers I suspect you would find low numbers for on the job deaths.
Just because someone doesn’t die on the job doesn’t mean their jobs aren’t dangerous and there isn’t a high potential of getting hurt or dying on the job when compared to others,
So to make a statement “their job is nowhere deadly as others” has got to be one of stupidest things I’ve read in a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 15:16:57 GMT
“their job is nowhere deadly as others” I refer you back to THE DATA. Not your beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 17:37:17 GMT
“their job is nowhere deadly as others” I refer you back to THE DATA. Not your beliefs. DATA that consists of just numbers does not and has never told the whole story and as such one must look at the big picture to get the entire story. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 17:43:09 GMT
I refer you back to THE DATA. Not your beliefs. DATA that consists of just numbers does not and has never told the whole story and as such one must look at the big picture to get the entire story. That's the the Trumpists say when they don't like the data. PS - It's not even in the top 10 deadliest professions. |
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