josie29
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Post by josie29 on Dec 26, 2020 8:16:57 GMT
Hi everyone, Justine Hovey is a cardmaker that I watch on You-Tube - and on December 18, she posted that she has "had enough". She is tired of monthly releases and Design Teams and the guilt of being in her Craft or away from it etc. - just so fed up and frustrated - and quit all her Design Teams. Here is her video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4jypX64KE Justine is taking a new direction with her cardmaking & making a fresh start. I must admit to feeling the same after this year from hell. Whilst I am not taking away that companies need you to buy in order to survive & they employ people which is great - but I certainly understand having been on one DT until I burned out & decided that I just wanted to create what I wanted, when I wanted using supplies that were old & no longer available. It is years ago now that I stepped down and there were certainly no monthly releases and the social media presence was basically blogs and You-Tube. I have thought for while that there are too many releases & too much "stuff". I am tired of people who say that they aren't on Design Teams but still hugely promote new products - in fact, I stopped watching alot of You-Tubers when we had our first lockdown here in Victoria, Australia & just had a whole shift in thinking about my cardmaking. With our 2nd severe Lockdown which lasted 112 days & all major retail was closed - other than the basics like the Pharmacy (Drug Store), Banks, Supermarket, Petrol (Gas) Station, Food shops - and taking care of a family member with a compromised immune system & being scared that I would get COVID and not be able to care for them if I got really sick (I am 58 yo) - but even more scared that they would get really sick & not survive - buying cardmaking supplies wasn't uppermost in my mind. How has this year changed your cardmaking & your buying habits? What do you think of Justine's video? Would love to hear your thoughts......
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camcas
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Post by camcas on Dec 26, 2020 9:40:43 GMT
Loved her video Excited to see what comes next
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 26, 2020 10:05:02 GMT
I think my take is going to be a little different. Yes, I was on a design team once, but it was a bit different than what most design teams are like. Yes, I spent far more hours than it was worth until I realized that I was being taken advantage of, then it took even longer for me to quit because the owner of the business made me feel that she couldn’t do without me. I also worked for the LSS. They had a bona fide design team. I never tried out for it. However, even as an employee, I sometimes had to design a page based solely on using specific products. Those two experiences gave me a tiny glimpse of what is demanded of those on Design Teams.
People join Design Teams for different reasons. One of them is the appeal of becoming well known and admired. Others may want the free products before everyone else gets them. There may be other reasons that I have not thought of, but I think those two reasons sum up the appeal to many who became Design Team members.
She has the fame now, as well as a craft room filled with products that she can use any way she wants. That actually has put her in a situation where she can find a better way to profit off her talents, just with her YouTube channel. I have a nephew who has made a lot of money on his YouTube channels, but it took him years to get to that point. Most people never get there without being on a design team.
After watching her video, my main thought was “good for her for realizing that it was no longer worth it.” In the beginning, maybe it seemed like a good deal. With all the challenges of this year, I think a lot of people have realized that their family needs to be a higher priority.
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josie29
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Post by josie29 on Dec 26, 2020 11:51:20 GMT
I think the amount of time DT members need these days with not just making cards/scrapbooking pages - but having a big presence on places like Instagram, Facebook, You-Tube etc. must be exhausting - let alone Blog Hops & commenting on other DT members projects/cards - even doing Haul Videos as some of them do & some companies seem to provide ALOT of products or maybe the DT Member purchases additional products(?). I agree about Justine being well set-up with having an established audience which would be alot harder if she was just starting out. I could certainly feel her sincerity in having just 'had enough' & I have watched a few videos in the past year or so where people have suddenly seen the light that they are being paid in glitter & not much else.
I was really naïve when I was on my DT for a LSS. I had uploaded a few cards to their online Gallery & they approached me to join & I didn't even ask what the terms were. I was just so excited that someone really liked my cards that much. Suddenly, I found myself limited in what products I could use for my DT cards because I could only use products that they sold - and often, I was buying their products that I ordinarily wouldn't have bought because they weren't my taste - but I needed to buy them because they had already given me a Martha Stewart border punch & a set of stamps & I didn't think I could ask for additional supplies because as a DT Member, I had 10% off my purchases at their store. Soon, I had no time to create cards for personal use & was just doing my DT work & I had to mail my DT cards to them at my expense because they were on display. I don't regret per se being on a DT because it taught me alot & took me out of my comfort-zone - but I wouldn't do it again & I just make cards because I love to.
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 26, 2020 13:55:21 GMT
josie29, I think you summed it up perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 14:56:14 GMT
Some discussion of this here: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/post/3208646/threadMy discussion from there: "I used to like Justine too but I unsubscribed because I could tell she was just jamming product at viewers. I love Natasha Foote instead - she's all about USE WHAT YOU HAVE! Thankfully, I've never felt like I have to have all the stamps/dies/papers. I love the challenge of making what I have work w/new designs. I hope people like Natasha can make enough money just on the videos and not on pushing product because I just love the ideas, not the constant selling. And that's what she does well."
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Post by marg on Dec 26, 2020 14:58:30 GMT
I can understand where she's coming from, although I've never been on a design team, but I guess I just don't get the peer pressure and guilt and all the feelings people get about these kinds of things. I don't put that kind of pressure on myself, I guess. If I'm in a huge crafty phase, I'm in my scrap room or I'll drag some supplies up to my kitchen table( if I want to watch TV with my husband) and I'll craft. if I'm not in the mood, I won't. It's not that difficult to find a balance, especially if you keep communicating with your family, etc.
I think sometimes it would be fun to be on a design team but then I realize that I am just not built for it - I don't want the pressure and the monthly releases are just too much. If a company does monthly releases they should rotate their design team members, maybe, so that each member is coming up with designs every two months. I don't know, there has to be a better way, because designing (and doing all the associated social media marketing) on a monthly basis for free stamps isn't worth the stress, probably. On the other hand, if you love a company it might be worth it - getting Lawn Fawn's releases for free instead of paying the hundreds of dollars it would cost per release may be worth it to the Lawn Fawnatics, for instance.
I am looking forward to Justine's new videos and finding out what her new plan is. I think she's probably going to find a good niche with this. But for sure she should acknowledge that it was being on design teams that helped build her personal brand in the first place.
On a personal note - 2020 was a great year for crafting for me. I made so many more projects and bought so many more craft supplies - saving 2 hours a day commuting really allows for more personal time! It was a very stressful year over all, but I was definitely able to lose myself in my craft therapy and it helped so much mentally. I also made more of an effort to send out cards and keep in touch with people.
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Post by Citygirl on Dec 26, 2020 16:09:49 GMT
I can’t speak to the DT aspect as I’ve never been on one, have zero interest and pay little attention to them in general. But good for her! Acknowledging and setting boundaries or quitting what it isn't working is the only way to live imo. I do get tired of all of the monthly releases. It’s overwhelming. I’m a FOMO buyer so I definitely get caught up in it. I have so much stuff and want to use what I have. I cancelled all my subs for 2021 and am planning to unsubscribe from all the newsletters, emails, etc.
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craftgranny
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Post by craftgranny on Dec 26, 2020 16:19:03 GMT
I say good for her! I marvel at how some of these DT member's like the one's on SSS crank out weekly projects! Amazing work! DT's aren't for everyone and there are parameters that you have to follow. It is what it is. The world of crafting is constantly evolving and the only constant thing is change. Moving on! Let's hope 2021 is better for everyone!
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Post by cmpeter on Dec 26, 2020 16:42:24 GMT
I was on a DT and taught at my LSS years ago and felt the same way others have mentioned. A lot of pressure, limitations that I found sucked away some of the fun out of crafting. That was way before YouTube and Instagram, I imagine he that all adds to the pressure.
Looking forward to what she does next.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 26, 2020 17:01:26 GMT
I can understand where she's coming from, although I've never been on a design team, but I guess I just don't get the peer pressure and guilt and all the feelings people get about these kinds of things. I don't put that kind of pressure on myself, I guess. If I'm in a huge crafty phase, I'm in my scrap room or I'll drag some supplies up to my kitchen table( if I want to watch TV with my husband) and I'll craft. if I'm not in the mood, I won't. It's not that difficult to find a balance, especially if you keep communicating with your family, etc. I think sometimes it would be fun to be on a design team but then I realize that I am just not built for it - I don't want the pressure and the monthly releases are just too much. If a company does monthly releases they should rotate their design team members, maybe, so that each member is coming up with designs every two months. I don't know, there has to be a better way, because designing (and doing all the associated social media marketing) on a monthly basis for free stamps isn't worth the stress, probably. On the other hand, if you love a company it might be worth it - getting Lawn Fawn's releases for free instead of paying the hundreds of dollars it would cost per release may be worth it to the Lawn Fawnatics, for instance. I am looking forward to Justine's new videos and finding out what her new plan is. I think she's probably going to find a good niche with this. But for sure she should acknowledge that it was being on design teams that helped build her personal brand in the first place. On a personal note - 2020 was a great year for crafting for me. I made so many more projects and bought so many more craft supplies - saving 2 hours a day commuting really allows for more personal time! It was a very stressful year over all, but I was definitely able to lose myself in my craft therapy and it helped so much mentally. I also made more of an effort to send out cards and keep in touch with people. I watched the video the day after she posted it. For me, it was just another person giving her reasons for doing what she did. Shocker. I guess I see too many videos like this all over with everyone who seems to go overboard on whatever their videos cover... scrapbooking, parenting, etc. It is like watching someone realize what you have known/thought all along. I hope she does well in her new endeavors. She has been giving (almost) free advertising to companies for a long time. I hope she finds what she is looking for in 2021. My habits haven't changed a lot. I have purged, purchased and scrapped as normal.
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Post by msupea on Dec 26, 2020 17:18:47 GMT
Many moons ago I was on a DT for a smaller kit club. At the time I made the team it was a good fit. I made a bunch of layouts monthly, we had to create at least 1 two page spread from the sketch provided, the product was usually stuff I liked and my girls were young. By the end of my run with them, it was tedious. I was too busy outside of the house (work, taking the girls everywhere...) to really commit.
Even if it was so inclined, or even remotely talented enough like DT members I see now, I would have zero time for the commitment and am not nearly on social media as much as others. Now I'm just glad to be back into scrapping again. Just for me time.
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Post by msliz on Dec 26, 2020 17:52:19 GMT
I liked her video. She identified what wasn't working in her business and in her life, and she's excited to be making some changes. And, of course the timing is perfect as we begin the new year. I'm ready for some changes too. I've been in a bit of a funk lately and I need some fresh air in every part of my life.
I feel a little differently than she does about all the new releases throughout the year. I bought a little more in 2020 than in previous years, but it's been a good thing for me. My orders have given me something to be excited about and something to look forward to. I've still only been ordering what I think I might actually use, and if I don't use all of it this year I can keep it for the next. There was a little bit of FOMO, but it was tempered with good judgment.
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Post by threegirls on Dec 26, 2020 18:46:17 GMT
Don't potential design team members know the terms of the gig before they agree to being on a team? Personally, I would never be on a design team without knowing exactly what was expected of me and exactly what the compensation would be. If I didn't like the terms then I wouldn't be a part of a design team.
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Post by joblackford on Dec 26, 2020 18:54:08 GMT
Don't potential design team members know the terms of the gig before they agree to being on a team? Personally, I would never be on a design team without knowing exactly what was expected of me and exactly what the compensation would be. If I didn't like the terms then I wouldn't be a part of a design team. I think the reality of it is different than how you imagine it will be, like any dream job that becomes a slog after a while. Or if you overcommit yourself. Making crafty things is fun until you *have* to do it, at least for most people. And not everyone knows that about themselves, or knows how long that feeling might take to set in, or how their lives might change. Also, "they like me!" is a strong inducement.
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Post by joblackford on Dec 26, 2020 18:57:42 GMT
I think the video was a little over-dramatic. TBH I almost didn't click on it because I'm sick of emotional clickbait videos about why people are quitting whatever they're doing. But I started watching Justine back when she was working with very little stash, when she was still a small channel, and she made helpful videos that I could learn from. I haven't loved the direction she's been going in thr past year or two, so I'm hoping that her new focus will make her channel more appealing. It also feeds into what a lot of people are feeling after a very long year. I'm ready to quit all kinds of things...
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msliz
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Post by msliz on Dec 26, 2020 20:21:19 GMT
I think the video was a little over-dramatic. TBH I almost didn't click on it because I'm sick of emotional clickbait videos about why people are quitting whatever they're doing. It was theatrical, but I get that it was written to that way in order to introduce the changes coming to her channel. At least it was thought out and concise. I much preferred it over the very long, very emotional "I've had enough" type video that Maremi Small Art released last year I think ( I can't find it to link it. ) And I love Marta, but it was a lot.
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Post by joblackford on Dec 26, 2020 21:48:30 GMT
I think the video was a little over-dramatic. TBH I almost didn't click on it because I'm sick of emotional clickbait videos about why people are quitting whatever they're doing. It was theatrical, but I get that it was written to that way in order to introduce the changes coming to her channel. At least it was thought out and concise. I much preferred it over the very long, very emotional "I've had enough" type video that Maremi Small Art released last year I think ( I can't find it to link it. ) And I love Marta, but it was a lot. Oh my gosh, yes! If Justine's was as dramatic as that one (45 minutes, I found it in my watch history here) I wouldn't have watched. I get plenty of other crafty/planner/MLM people's drama posts suggested on YT and if it's over 10 minutes I don't even consider it, even if I'm really curious. You're right, Justine's was concise and well done, only the thumbnail and dramatic title were really too much for me.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 27, 2020 0:22:40 GMT
That was very refreshing! I loved how honest she was about design team compensation. I'll probably just watch the organization videos. I'm not much of a card maker.
I have been scrapping a long time, so I haven't felt the need for the latest and greatest for quite a while. I tend to think long term and what I actually like.
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Post by mom on Dec 27, 2020 1:59:14 GMT
Don't potential design team members know the terms of the gig before they agree to being on a team? Personally, I would never be on a design team without knowing exactly what was expected of me and exactly what the compensation would be. If I didn't like the terms then I wouldn't be a part of a design team. Of course, they know what they are expected to do. Having to submit 'x' amount of work doesn't sound like much on paper -- but then as the year goes on, and life happens, then 'x' amount of work is all the sudden way more than you want to do or even can do in some situations.
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Post by marg on Dec 27, 2020 15:15:57 GMT
Of course, they know what they are expected to do. Having to submit 'x' amount of work doesn't sound like much on paper -- but then as the year goes on, and life happens, then 'x' amount of work is all the sudden way more than you want to do or even can do in some situations. Having to meet monthly deadlines just seems so overwhelming to me unless it's my full time job that I'm getting paid well for. The thought that you just wrap up one release and have to immediately get started with the next one is a lot of pressure. I do think that some personality types thrive on that kind of pressure, though - my brother is one who lives a chaotic life and he loves the excitement and drama. So, I guess for some people it works.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 15:18:12 GMT
I've still only been ordering what I think I might actually use Ding ding ding. That's the crux of it. I LOVE Youtubes. I LOVE releases. But, thank luck, I've not dealt w/FOMO. I try to picture where I'd put new stash, what would I use it on, etc. And then skip out on buying 90% of it. I stick to really neutral colors and embellishments so I can mix and match. I gt a little thrill from buying on sale or making something out of something else. For me, those things help me to keep loving this craft with a space that doesn't overflow and a budget that stays calm. I wish Justine luck and I wish good creativity for all scrappers/card makers - w/o FOMO or stress.
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Post by twillerbee on Dec 27, 2020 16:13:54 GMT
I do not know Justine and had no idea who she is until I saw this thread. I looked her up and understandable about her getting overwhelmed by all the design team commitments. But she has a long list of companies that she guested for vs being on actual design teams. My assumption is that designers do not get paid for work when they do guest design work. Their compensation is free product for their guest design projects and most companies give affiliate commissions for sales generating through designers.
I am sure everyone has different reasons for being on design teams. Some might want free products so they do not have to spend money on the hobby they love/some need social media exposure/some just enjoy doing it. Moving away from it when someone feels burnt out is a good idea. I might be in minority here but I still think that a long video saying the same is a bit more dramatic. I would not over spend than my budget for my craft supplies. If that's what she did and got overwhelmed then it's on her.
I always look forward to some releases from my favorite companies. Crafting is my therapy and I enjoy doing it as I do it for me and that's my decision. What I spend on my crafty supplies is what I can afford to spend on it. I can not blame crafting companies for coming out with new stuff and making me spend.
This is one comment I read on her youtube video and is pretty much I feel about it. "Sounds like you made some bad decisions in your life and they caught up with you. No one made you join design teams, no one kept you from negotiating a better deal with them. If you get envious of other creators, or get the "got to have them all" mentality when you see new things, that's a self problem, not a problem with the industry. If you can't control your spending habits, manage how many supplies you own, aren't able to organize so that you can enjoy crafting, well, you made the decisions that got you there. This video reads like a scapegoat list, blaming others for your exhaustion/ burnout. I mean, kudos to you for making a career out of your hobby, and for realizing your way of doing it wasn't working for you, and I wish you all the best in making the changes that bring joy back to your life. Note: I don't mean this as a personal attack - from the comments, seems a lot of people are in the same boat: blaming the industry for their own issues."
If she was on design teams then she got free products from those companies or atleast at discounted rates I suppose. She just sounds like a person who tried making big but failed and she is now complaining/blaming industry for coming out with new products every month and make her spend more.
Good for her if she finds a better path forward for her but indirectly attacking industry as a whole for coming out with new products is not cool.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 27, 2020 16:28:23 GMT
I think people underestimate the allure of the ego stroking that goes with "making the design team." It's the validation that you are creative and artistic and people like what you make. Plus, for some DT, the designer has such a high profile in the industry that it's an even bigger coup to be chosen. And there is NOTHING wrong with any of that. I get my own ego strokes when my non crafty friends and family butter me up telling me how amazing and beautiful my cards are or how wonderful my layouts look. But, I'm old and have experience with trying to make my hobby more than a hobby. I don't have the drive to give what it takes. I'm really glad I figured that out early. I love me some DT members and enjoy seeing their work, so I'm happy it works for others!
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Post by Citygirl on Dec 27, 2020 18:24:00 GMT
Wow twillerbee great eyes. I just scrolled through the 1.7K comments and wasn’t able to find that one or really any negative comments at all. Perhaps they are being deleted? .
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Post by jediannie on Dec 27, 2020 19:37:43 GMT
A long time ago when I first started scrapping, my friends were all on a local store design team. They were all excited when they got chosen to be on the team, then realized it wasn't a great of a gig as they expected it to be. The owner demanded a lot, didn't give the design team free product to create the pages/cards/etc (gave them a 20% discount), etc. When they started standing up for themselves, saying the least the owner could do was give them free product to create stuff for the store, the owner "fired" them and brought on a new group of people who didn't know what they were in for. This disillusioned me enough to never want to be on a team or even try because they all kind of seem the same, dangling free or discounted products but no real compensation. I know most of these store and online shop owners don't have a lot of money to pay for that so I'm not sure what the best solution would be, maybe ask "influencers" if they could create projects with their products with only a commitment for that? Or maybe they do that now and I'm just ignorant of the current process.
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Post by twillerbee on Dec 27, 2020 23:33:26 GMT
Wow twillerbee great eyes. I just scrolled through the 1.7K comments and wasn’t able to find that one or really any negative comments at all. Perhaps they are being deleted? . I wondered about the same, if negative comments are being deleted. There are so many comments supporting her video but did not see more negative comments or another perspective for it. I saw recent comments and the one I posted above is from yesterday I think.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 28, 2020 1:07:39 GMT
I think the video was a little over-dramatic. TBH I almost didn't click on it because I'm sick of emotional clickbait videos about why people are quitting whatever they're doing. But I started watching Justine back when she was working with very little stash, when she was still a small channel, and she made helpful videos that I could learn from. I haven't loved the direction she's been going in thr past year or two, so I'm hoping that her new focus will make her channel more appealing. It also feeds into what a lot of people are feeling after a very long year. I'm ready to quit all kinds of things... I felt this way too. I had a bit of hard time with parts of it while she sat in front of her uber organized stash saying she didn't need it. She was tired of the competition. I find that the YouTubers I really enjoy don't push stash at all. They just make great layouts and I know I can be inspired by them and recreate the layouts with what I have in my stash that works for me. I don't know how many followers Janet from RTS has on Patreon, but I know she doesn't push stash or tools and she just chats and creates and laughs at herself and people LOVE her. She is genuine and fills a void for a lot of people.
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Post by lydiae on Dec 29, 2020 3:34:44 GMT
Lindsay from the Frugal Crafter did a video talking about Design Teams today because people have been asking her about Justine's video. I think she did a really good job about laying out the pros and cons of DT work. She mentioned a "trick"one off the larger companies does to me with affiliate sales. She wouldn't name the company (I'm guessing SSS but I could be wrong) but it definitely made me think carefully about how to use affiliate links to help out crafters I want to support.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 29, 2020 3:51:34 GMT
I certainly understand having been on one DT until I burned out & decided that I just wanted to create what I wanted, when I wanted using supplies that were old & no longer available. I'm not a card maker, nor am I on any design teams, and I have no idea who Justine Hovey is but I certainly understand your point above. I used to do all the monthly challenges on a couple of digital scrapbook sites, so that I could get a free kit, or 30% off or whatever. But it was very limiting having to use only products from that particular store or designer. I haven't done any site challenges for several months now, and it is so freeing being able to use whatever products I want - even if they are from different stores or old products.
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