flatfish
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May 26, 2019 3:17:27 GMT
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Post by flatfish on Dec 29, 2020 14:59:28 GMT
When I read the comments from the frugal crafter posts it did say it was SSS. When you signed up to get the discount (email) it was by passing giving the crafter credit for the affiliate link. She said she thought that was very underhanded and not fair to the crafter you’re trying to support.
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Post by scrapbookmomof4 on Dec 30, 2020 16:16:49 GMT
I have never been on a design team and don't want to be. But honestly, the whole things rubs me the wrong way. Why are Justine and the Frugal Crafter complaining and making videos about it? Just leave if it doesn't work for you. Why try to take down the industry. I do have a good friend who is on three design teams and she gets paid, gets discounts and gets free product. She loves it. To each their own. It almost sounds like they couldn't be as successful as others so they are trashing the companies for it. It's like they are going the route of the beauty industry. Acting desperate to get views so they do the drama thing. Weren't they both touting the products of these companies they are now trashing? So do we believe them then or do we believe them now? Let's be real, not everyone is going to have the draw of a Jennifer McGuire or Kristina Werner. But if you like to scrapbook or make cards, who cares.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Dec 30, 2020 17:03:34 GMT
Lindsay from the Frugal Crafter did a video talking about Design Teams today because people have been asking her about Justine's video. I think she did a really good job about laying out the pros and cons of DT work. She mentioned a "trick"one off the larger companies does to me with affiliate sales. She wouldn't name the company (I'm guessing SSS but I could be wrong) but it definitely made me think carefully about how to use affiliate links to help out crafters I want to support. I watched her video and all her pros and cons are what I would expect when on a design team. The one thing that bothered me was that she kept calling it “unpaid”. While you may not be paid cash, you are compensated with product, right? Unless I’m misunderstood and design team members are paying for the product at a deep discount. I also did not understand her affiliate link example. If you use the designers like, they get commission. But If you use the link in the email, they deduct the discount from the designers commission? In her example I don’t understand why the designer would expect to get commission from an email link.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 30, 2020 19:54:00 GMT
Lindsay from the Frugal Crafter did a video talking about Design Teams today because people have been asking her about Justine's video. I think she did a really good job about laying out the pros and cons of DT work. She mentioned a "trick"one off the larger companies does to me with affiliate sales. She wouldn't name the company (I'm guessing SSS but I could be wrong) but it definitely made me think carefully about how to use affiliate links to help out crafters I want to support. I watched her video and all her pros and cons are what I would expect when on a design team. The one thing that bothered me was that she kept calling it “unpaid”. While you may not be paid cash, you are compensated with product, right? Unless I’m misunderstood and design team members are paying for the product at a deep discount. I also did not understand her affiliate link example. If you use the designers like, they get commission. But If you use the link in the email, they deduct the discount from the designers commission? In her example I don’t understand why the designer would expect to get commission from an email link. If you click the YouTuber's link to the company's site, the YouTuber is compensated a small percent for the purchase. So if a person spends $100, the YouTuber might get $7 of that sale. If that person doesn't immediately purchase something and sees a link for a 10% off coupon for that site and gives the company their email to get it, the YouTuber is now out of the loop for getting any amount of the purchase. Companies know that people will click to get that extra 10% off. It is the company's way of not having to pay the person who recommended the company. Lots of YouTubers agree to post videos of the companies' products in exchange for a small percent of the viewer's sale. Then the company finds a way to not have to pay that YouTuber. It's shady.
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azcrafty
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Jun 28, 2019 20:24:21 GMT
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Post by azcrafty on Dec 30, 2020 21:22:31 GMT
This is AI's design team call from the summer. My friend thought about trying out, but after figuring out how much work she would have to do with commenting, using her own paper,embellishments and coloring mediums the $75/month and 30% off didn't sound that great. I think the pressure to come up with something new and amazing every month is not worth the money, especially if the new product doesn't get your creative juices going. artimpressionsstamps.blogspot.com/2020/06/art-impressions-design-team-call.html?m=1
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 31, 2020 3:29:49 GMT
I haven't done any site challenges for several months now, and it is so freeing being able to use whatever products I want - even if they are from different stores or old products. I don't do well with creative deadlines and I have a style that is nothing like the current trends. I organize my products loosely by theme. It would be very hard to use only one manufacturer's products.
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on Dec 31, 2020 4:36:24 GMT
This is AI's design team call from the summer. My friend thought about trying out, but after figuring out how much work she would have to do with commenting, using her own paper,embellishments and coloring mediums the $75/month and 30% off didn't sound that great. I think the pressure to come up with something new and amazing every month is not worth the money, especially if the new product doesn't get your creative juices going. artimpressionsstamps.blogspot.com/2020/06/art-impressions-design-team-call.html?m=1That's a crazy amount of work, especially for a company I've never even heard of before! I could understand (maybe) if it was for something like Tim Holtz or Hero Arts, but even that would be a stretch.
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Post by joblackford on Dec 31, 2020 20:55:47 GMT
Now YT is suggesting Hedgehog Hollow’s “I’m ready to quit!” video. Lol. Streamed live, 85 minutes, yeah, nope. Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. Does everyone have to make an “I quit!” video before they make a small change?
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Post by Jessica on Dec 31, 2020 21:16:52 GMT
Now YT is suggesting Hedgehog Hollow’s “I’m ready to quit!” video. Lol. Streamed live, 85 minutes, yeah, nope. Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. Does everyone have to make an “I quit!” video before they make a small change? 85 minutes? Goodness. I don't know if I could talk 85 minutes solid about anything, and definitely wouldn't devote that much time to telling my subscribers I was changing things up. Yeesh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 22:12:59 GMT
Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. That. It's like these people have to have a major YT video for every mundane "insight" that isn't really even an insight - just normal reasoning.
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Post by joblackford on Dec 31, 2020 23:59:45 GMT
Now YT is suggesting Hedgehog Hollow’s “I’m ready to quit!” video. Lol. Streamed live, 85 minutes, yeah, nope. Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. Does everyone have to make an “I quit!” video before they make a small change? 85 minutes? Goodness. I don't know if I could talk 85 minutes solid about anything, and definitely wouldn't devote that much time to telling my subscribers I was changing things up. Yeesh. I'm assuming it was part of a bigger crafty session, but I'm not going to watch and find out, on principle. And also because I have to like someone A LOT to click on any video over 20 minutes. I dislike live videos anyway.
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Post by joblackford on Jan 1, 2021 0:04:31 GMT
Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. That. It's like these people have to have a major YT video for every mundane "insight" that isn't really even an insight - just normal reasoning. And if this isn't a long discussion of whatever insights and decisions she's made and it's just a crafty session with some brief talk about whatever she's ready to quit going into the new year (sugar? ink blending? Fbk? dying her hair? idk) then I'm annoyed at the clickbait title. Maybe I'm just annoyed, generally. lol. I guess you have to get people to click on your video somehow... I'm almost convincing myself to go read the comments just to find out what degree of BS this is, but no! nope. I have better things to do. Like complaining to you guys! 😂
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Post by wendifful on Jan 1, 2021 1:24:58 GMT
Lindsay from the Frugal Crafter did a video talking about Design Teams today because people have been asking her about Justine's video. I think she did a really good job about laying out the pros and cons of DT work. She mentioned a "trick"one off the larger companies does to me with affiliate sales. She wouldn't name the company (I'm guessing SSS but I could be wrong) but it definitely made me think carefully about how to use affiliate links to help out crafters I want to support. I watched her video and all her pros and cons are what I would expect when on a design team. The one thing that bothered me was that she kept calling it “unpaid”. While you may not be paid cash, you are compensated with product, right? Unless I’m misunderstood and design team members are paying for the product at a deep discount. I also did not understand her affiliate link example. If you use the designers like, they get commission. But If you use the link in the email, they deduct the discount from the designers commission? In her example I don’t understand why the designer would expect to get commission from an email link. I don't know, I think product does not equal compensation, since it is a tool to create the results the company wants. (Yes, you get to keep it afterward...but honestly, even if the company required the items returned, once you add up the shipping costs and selling a used product at a discount, it makes more sense for the designer to keep the product.) I think if the product is received with NO expectation of publicity/design work, then it could be considered compensation, but if you're required to use it (which I think most DT members are), then it becomes an obligation, not a fun crafty haul. I also think that this devaluing of work is typical of industries that are predominantly female-oriented. For example, think of the average stranger's reaction if you told them you were a professional scrapbooker/cardmaker as opposed to a professional fine art painter. I think most people would think that painting is a more serious, professional endeavor, whereas papercrafting is cute/a hobby/frivolous. Since papercrafting is not "real" work, it doesn't deserve to be compensated in the same way that painting does. (Obviously painting can be done by women, but historically, most of the famous artists we think of were male, so we default to thinking of Van Gogh/Picasso as opposed to Mrs. Smith with three kids who scrapbooks.) I'm trying to come up with an analogy from another industry to demonstrate how this viewpoint doesn't work. The best I can think of relates to movie/TV critics. These critics are given advance access to releases (much to the jealousy of the general populace), then write a review. Imagine if we told the critics that their compensation for their review was the "privilege" of watching the new Avengers movie for free and in advance. I doubt that would fly. Obviously, this is a bit of a different situation as the critics work for a newspaper/website and not the movie company, but I still think it's similar. Yes, watching new movies for free is a perk...but the critic isn't just sitting in the screening eating popcorn and laughing, they're taking notes, making critiques, etc. YMMV, that's just my take on it.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jan 1, 2021 3:44:09 GMT
Now YT is suggesting Hedgehog Hollow’s “I’m ready to quit!” video. Lol. Streamed live, 85 minutes, yeah, nope. Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. Does everyone have to make an “I quit!” video before they make a small change? 85 minutes? Goodness. I don't know if I could talk 85 minutes solid about anything, and definitely wouldn't devote that much time to telling my subscribers I was changing things up. Yeesh. LoL! I totally could. I am a massive over explainer (such a massive issue with verbal diarrhea). I tried to film a craft room tour once upon a time and they all ended up at least an hour long and I spent so much time rambling and I don't talk slow...like at all...especially when I'm nervous. Suffice it to say that I learned quickly that youtube wasn't my platform. Everyone I talk to about basically anything results in their eyes glossing over even if I sound very excited about what I'm talking about because nothing I find interesting is interesting to anyone else. Suffice it to say that I don't relate to my fellow man all that well, but even with my social ineptitude, I couldn't imagine anyone being THAT popular and beloved that they'd manage to herd people together to listen to them complain for nearly an hour and a half.
Is this also becoming an annual thing? Wasn't the bitching and moaning from the bigger names about their DEMONSTRATED STEP BY STEP TUTORIALS being 'stolen' last year around this time...maybe the year before? 2020 has made time an abstract concept so I can't keep track of anything anymore. SMH.
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josie29
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Post by josie29 on Jan 1, 2021 6:28:32 GMT
Now YT is suggesting Hedgehog Hollow’s “I’m ready to quit!” video. Lol. Streamed live, 85 minutes, yeah, nope. Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. Does everyone have to make an “I quit!” video before they make a small change? Ha ha - that is MY fault It was also a suggested video to me today as I sat down to eat my lunch. I got 3 minutes in and was so BORED that it made me want to dig my face with a spoon and then I looked at how long it was: nope. There is a difference between saying you are making some major changes to your YT channel and that you have decided to step down from your DTs so that you can do X, Y and Z & keep the video short to going on and on for 85 minutes.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 1, 2021 18:06:21 GMT
Now YT is suggesting Hedgehog Hollow’s “I’m ready to quit!” video. Lol. Streamed live, 85 minutes, yeah, nope. Whether she’s quitting putting so much pressure on herself or comparing her work to other people or design teams or whatever, I don’t care. Major eye roll. Does everyone have to make an “I quit!” video before they make a small change? Ha ha - that is MY fault It was also a suggested video to me today as I sat down to eat my lunch. I got 3 minutes in and was so BORED that it made me want to dig my face with a spoon and then I looked at how long it was: nope. There is a difference between saying you are making some major changes to your YT channel and that you have decided to step down from your DTs so that you can do X, Y and Z & keep the video short to going on and on for 85 minutes. Well now I have to go look at that video.
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Post by joblackford on Jan 1, 2021 22:10:57 GMT
I watched her video and all her pros and cons are what I would expect when on a design team. The one thing that bothered me was that she kept calling it “unpaid”. While you may not be paid cash, you are compensated with product, right? Unless I’m misunderstood and design team members are paying for the product at a deep discount. I also did not understand her affiliate link example. If you use the designers like, they get commission. But If you use the link in the email, they deduct the discount from the designers commission? In her example I don’t understand why the designer would expect to get commission from an email link. I don't know, I think product does not equal compensation, since it is a tool to create the results the company wants. (Yes, you get to keep it afterward...but honestly, even if the company required the items returned, once you add up the shipping costs and selling a used product at a discount, it makes more sense for the designer to keep the product.) I think if the product is received with NO expectation of publicity/design work, then it could be considered compensation, but if you're required to use it (which I think most DT members are), then it becomes an obligation, not a fun crafty haul. I also think that this devaluing of work is typical of industries that are predominantly female-oriented. For example, think of the average stranger's reaction if you told them you were a professional scrapbooker/cardmaker as opposed to a professional fine art painter. I think most people would think that painting is a more serious, professional endeavor, whereas papercrafting is cute/a hobby/frivolous. Since papercrafting is not "real" work, it doesn't deserve to be compensated in the same way that painting does. (Obviously painting can be done by women, but historically, most of the famous artists we think of were male, so we default to thinking of Van Gogh/Picasso as opposed to Mrs. Smith with three kids who scrapbooks.) I'm trying to come up with an analogy from another industry to demonstrate how this viewpoint doesn't work. The best I can think of relates to movie/TV critics. These critics are given advance access to releases (much to the jealousy of the general populace), then write a review. Imagine if we told the critics that their compensation for their review was the "privilege" of watching the new Avengers movie for free and in advance. I doubt that would fly. Obviously, this is a bit of a different situation as the critics work for a newspaper/website and not the movie company, but I still think it's similar. Yes, watching new movies for free is a perk...but the critic isn't just sitting in the screening eating popcorn and laughing, they're taking notes, making critiques, etc. YMMV, that's just my take on it. beware, probably rambling thoughts: I think there's a huge devaluing of creative work, and especially women's creative work, but also anything that's considered fun, that you would do anyway for free. Many of us will put a huge amount of labor into something for nothing more than love - making a quilt as a gift, knitting a sweater, making a scrapbook. So much of what women do is unpaid work... I'm also thinking of how photographers and artists are offered the "opportunity" to create work for companies with the only compensation being "exposure." A lot of creatives and influencers are being under-compensated because it's assumed that what they're doing is fun (often there's a lot of slog to get to the fun bit!) or that they're happy with free stuff (rather than cash to buy the stuff they actually want/pay their expenses) or because they'll be able to leverage the exposure to monetize some other venture. And we're all unpaid content creators when we make something and tag a company on social media. Like how we've been trained to value paying more for a garment with a visible logo - so we pay more to advertise your product...?! That idea has always messed with my head. The thing about giving people product is that the cost to the business is much lower than it would seem to us. They're not "paying" the retail price. They're assigning the cost price as an advertising expense in their books, which is a very different thing. So the actual cost of these design teams is very low. And if they're just giving people a discount instead they may still be making a tiny profit/breaking even on the product as well as getting free advertising, which is pretty nice! I know a lot of these business don't make a ton of money but dang, if you're doing that, you should be really nice to your unpaid workers.
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