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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 19, 2021 14:37:42 GMT
The intense shaming of people like Ponsetta or the woman in the park who called the police on the bird watcher has always bothered me. I do feel that they need to be held accountable, but what is the end goal? Is it to ruin their lives or possibly lead to them hurting themselves? Or is it to bring about change?
Jeremy’s girl posted about Brene Brown’s podcast the other day and I think this thread is a good time to remember what was said in that podcast. Whether it is on this board specifically, or in society more generally, shaming is not the same as accountability. I think it would be wise for some to remember that. The hard part is how to hold someone accountable. I think that we resort to shaming because we are hurt or don’t know what else to do. But is that really effective at bringing about change?
And if your approach is to try to shame people here with the stated goal of creating anti-racist allies, I would say to re-evaluate your methods and see if it is working or not.
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Post by Olan on Jan 19, 2021 15:00:49 GMT
The intense shaming of people like Ponsetta or the woman in the park who called the police on the bird watcher has always bothered me. I do feel that they need to be held accountable, but what is the end goal? Is it to ruin their lives or possibly lead to them hurting themselves? Or is it to bring about change? Jeremy’s girl posted about Brene Brown’s podcast the other day and I think this thread is a good time to remember what was said in that podcast. Whether it is on this board specifically, or in society more generally, shaming is not the same as accountability. I think it would be wise for some to remember that. The hard part is how to hold someone accountable. I think that we resort to shaming because we are hurt or don’t know what else to do. But is that really effective at bringing about change? And if your approach is to try to shame people here with the stated goal of creating anti-racist allies, I would say to re-evaluate your methods and see if it is working or not. What methods have worked though. What’s the alternative? What will it actually take to move white people to be better people? What does accountability look like? |
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Post by Olan on Jan 19, 2021 16:05:05 GMT
How do you think Miya is standing up to the “intense shame”? Does she look like she is going to harm herself? Do you think her earning potential will be affected by this personal choice she made?
In the history of shaming Karen’s have any of them ended their lives or is this just pinning victim hood and weakness on perpetrators of a crime that has resulted in hundred of Black men and women losing their lives. Not livelihoods but LIVES.
Never in the history of victims has the onus been placed on the harmed group to SOLVE the problem. Rape victims. Domestic violence victims. All are told hey nothing you said or did resulted in your abuse. Instead what Black people Black women in particular hear is doing xyz will result in better treatment. And then better treatment never happens. Civil Rights Movement really did play out and decades have passed yet Black people are still expected to take this shit treatment smile and act like we are really a progressive society on the path to better! If only you did this then we will do this. So we get degrees and engage in respectability politics only to experience the same treatment our freed ancestors did.
Before Black people would have these types of experiences and everyone would say no that couldn’t have happened. So much so when Karens are caught on tape everyone acts shocked that shit like this actually happens. And now Brene Brown talks about shame being ineffective and now videotaping white women behaving badly is counterproductive shaming and should be re-evaluated....B. Brown talks a lot about personal responsibility and anti-racism work too. Don’t latch on to one thing and reject all the actionable things you can do to be anti-racist.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr said “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.‘ In these days of emotional tension, when the problems of the world are gigantic in extent and chaotic in detail, there is no greater need than for sober thinking, mature judgment, and creative dissent”
If you think shaming isn’t the solution. Share yours. 🤷🏾♀️
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Post by Olan on Jan 23, 2021 7:55:31 GMT
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