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Post by fiddlesticks on Jan 6, 2021 0:37:09 GMT
I'm curious how many of you have dance studios in your town that consider themselves "pre-professional" vs "recreational"? I have posted before that my DD is a dancer and it is what she wants to do with her life. I don't think she has any illusions of being like Dancing with the Stars good but in her mind, she would love to dance for 10-ish years after high school and then open her own/take over a dance studio. She thinks she would like to do something like cruise ships, Vegas shows (the ones with clothes on), Disneyland, something like that.
The closest "pre-professional" studio is an hour away and I am not really digging the idea of driving that distance multiple times a week. I wish there was a dance career consulting firm or something like that! 😂 I can talk to her dance studio owner all I want but she of course thinks her studio would be enough. But, the few girls that have tried to make a career out of it by going and auditioning for things like the above, haven't had much success in passing the audition phase. Now, DH and I are trying to decide if we need to do something else for DD.
She will be 12 next month and dance obviously builds on itself so I feel like she basically has 6 years and we just want to give her her best chance. Obviously she has to do the work (and wants to) but she loves her studio. But, when she goes to conventions and competitions, she feels like she is not keeping up there and she said "Aren't those the same people I am going to go audition against for jobs?" DH and I haven't got a good answer for that..
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Post by craftedbys on Jan 6, 2021 0:50:02 GMT
My DD (and DS for a few years) danced recreationally for several years.
We are incredibly fortunate that our state has a special high school dedicated to kids who are interested in the arts and DS attended that because he wants to pursue a career in film.
His school had a dance program that has had many students go on to dance professionally in different ways.
You might look into whether your state has any programs like that.
I wish you luck, it is not always easy helping your child pursue their dreams.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 6, 2021 0:56:07 GMT
There is a tremendous difference between the training you receive at a preprofessional studio vs a recreational. And honestly at 12 if you're only talking a couple times a week, I'm not sure you really appreciate the training involved in a dance career. At 12 my daughter was easily doing 4 days a week of classes not counting rehearsals at a preprofessional studio. Now arguably ballet is more demanding career wise than many genres, but the vast majority of genres appreciate a strong ballet foundation. If your daughter is already noticing that her training isn't competitive, it's just going to be exacerbated in the years ahead. Multiple people from my daughter's studio have gone on to dance careers in both ballet as well as more contemporary companies - it's a tough, demanding field that requires a ton of sacrifice. I'm going to tag melissa as I know her daughter continued post high school. And perhaps she can offer additional guidance. I'll also say, it's extremely hard to know just how serious your child is at 12. My daughter was all in at that age and slowly prioritized academics to the point where her choice was to double major in college versus pursuing an internship or company position despite spending 20-30+ hours a week in the studio all during high school and having pretty good success with summer intensive auditions and ballet competitions.
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Post by paigepea on Jan 6, 2021 1:58:53 GMT
If your daughter wants to do a half day program through high school, which is what I’d think she would be doing if she wants this as a profession, then I’d say make sure the studio she’s at has that option.
I also think a pre pro studio would offer more then a rec studio but ask to go and try it out and see if she likes it. She’s only 12 so she’s pretty young to make such decisions.
My 15 and 12 year olds dance 4 days / week OR 12-13 hours / week at what I’m assuming what you would call a rec studio. They go to competitions and conventions. Very few of them would be ready for the type of career you’re talking about although I’d say none of them are interested. If your dd is interested in they type of commitment I’d move her. At the same time, how much does she know about the career at age 12 that she knows this is what she wants to do. I’d encourage her to keep her options open. Injuries can really mess with future goals
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Post by fiddlesticks on Jan 6, 2021 3:56:26 GMT
There is a tremendous difference between the training you receive at a preprofessional studio vs a recreational. And honestly at 12 if you're only talking a couple times a week, I'm not sure you really appreciate the training involved in a dance career. At 12 my daughter was easily doing 4 days a week of classes not counting rehearsals at a preprofessional studio. Now arguably ballet is more demanding career wise than many genres, but the vast majority of genres appreciate a strong ballet foundation. If your daughter is already noticing that her training isn't competitive, it's just going to be exacerbated in the years ahead. Multiple people from my daughter's studio have gone on to dance careers in both ballet as well as more contemporary companies - it's a tough, demanding field that requires a ton of sacrifice. I'm going to tag melissa as I know her daughter continued post high school. And perhaps she can offer additional guidance. I'll also say, it's extremely hard to know just how serious your child is at 12. My daughter was all in at that age and slowly prioritized academics to the point where her choice was to double major in college versus pursuing an internship or company position despite spending 20-30+ hours a week in the studio all during high school and having pretty good success with summer intensive auditions and ballet competitions. She dances 12 hours a week right now at the studio and we got her a subscription to take online classes with CLI and has been doing 4-5 hours of that. She would do more if we let her. 😂
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Post by fiddlesticks on Jan 6, 2021 4:01:28 GMT
If your daughter wants to do a half day program through high school, which is what I’d think she would be doing if she wants this as a profession, then I’d say make sure the studio she’s at has that option. I also think a pre pro studio would offer more then a rec studio but ask to go and try it out and see if she likes it. She’s only 12 so she’s pretty young to make such decisions. My 15 and 12 year olds dance 4 days / week OR 12-13 hours / week at what I’m assuming what you would call a rec studio. They go to competitions and conventions. Very few of them would be ready for the type of career you’re talking about although I’d say none of them are interested. If your dd is interested in they type of commitment I’d move her. At the same time, how much does she know about the career at age 12 that she knows this is what she wants to do. I’d encourage her to keep her options open. Injuries can really mess with future goals I wish we had a half day program like that. DD has some pretty severe learning disabilities and the only thing she has ever felt successful doing is dance. Most of the time, I would say 12 years old aren’t ready to decide but she’s a different beast. She has started learning ASL and really loves it so I’m encouraging that as well. But, dance is her jam.
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Post by maryland on Jan 6, 2021 5:04:31 GMT
My kids went to/go to a competitive dance studio in our town. It's pretty much recreational, but a few girls go on to a top university for dance majors. The Dance Moms show is from a dance studio about 45 from us! My 3 girls all danced at the same studio and enjoy it.
My middle daughter is on a Dance Team in college (ACC university) and loves it! Of course it's sad this year because they can't do anything. She is a senior and seniors get to travel to all away football games. She is so sad that she didn't get this opportunity this year.
My youngest is a senior in high school and is trying to decide whether to try out for a dance team in college!
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Post by fiddlesticks on Jan 6, 2021 6:34:02 GMT
It’s tough because with her learning disabilities she has no desire to go to college. She loves learning but college is not in her future.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jan 6, 2021 8:54:52 GMT
My daughters attended a serious dance studio. Now days it probably would be called "pre-professional". They had classes 6 hours a week plus rehearsals for programs and the like. They did not have true recitals but instead performed parts of ballets like Swan Lake or Nutcraker with the younger students performing in little episodes between the portions of the ballet. Professionals were hired to perform with them as well as other dancers who were semi-professional were given parts to fill out the program.
The studio also took the girls to seminars and to New York to dance and participate in classes to compete for major scholarships. The girls who were going forth in their training took classes in New York living away from home at an early age, some as young as 12. Their parents paid for them to board with the school they were in and to fly back and forth for the holidays. (No summers off of course.)
By 12 years old your daughter should be already be working on-point or pre-point classes and perhaps having classes with male dancers learning the lifts and how to dance with a partner. Hopefully she has had an orthopedic doc take xrays and look at her feet to be sure bones are good for this.
Ballet is something that takes up a whole lot of time and effort and there are no shortcuts. Perhaps your daughter is not so much interested in ballet as much as another kind of dancing.
Ballerinas start young and reach their peak early in life. It is hard on the feet which are disfigured and permanently stressed. I used to be friends with a lady who danced in the corps in a major company in New York and her feet never recovered. You and your daughter need to determine just what kind of career she wants now, before it is too late. Do some research to help her decide just what kind of dance she wants to be involved in. Look into how much dancers make and how what they need to do to reach their goals.
Plus, another thing to consider is how she plans to earn the money to start or take over her own studio. She will need to be realistic about this. The lady I mentioned above did not have a fall back plan and had to support herself promoting and selling various items at trade shows and fairs. It was a precarious living. It is good that your daughter has a plan for what to do when she can no longer dance the night away.
My daughters were pulled out of dance when it became time for them to go on point. They knew they could not make enough money to support themselves and we did not have enough money to support the training they needed to become professional. So, it made sense to take them out before their feet were permanently damaged and to give them a chance to find other intersts. Both girls were good, very good and received a lot of training for free, but still we could not pay for them to train in New York, or to live apart from us as was needed for them to continue a career in dance.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Jan 6, 2021 9:39:01 GMT
My daughters attended a serious dance studio. Now days it probably would be called "pre-professional". They had classes 6 hours a week plus rehearsals for programs and the like. They did not have true recitals but instead performed parts of ballets like Swan Lake or Nutcraker with the younger students performing in little episodes between the portions of the ballet. Professionals were hired to perform with them as well as other dancers who were semi-professional were given parts to fill out the program. The studio also took the girls to seminars and to New York to dance and participate in classes to compete for major scholarships. The girls who were going forth in their training took classes in New York living away from home at an early age, some as young as 12. Their parents paid for them to board with the school they were in and to fly back and forth for the holidays. (No summers off of course.) By 12 years old your daughter should be already be working on-point or pre-point classes and perhaps having classes with male dancers learning the lifts and how to dance with a partner. Hopefully she has had an orthopedic doc take xrays and look at her feet to be sure bones are good for this. Ballet is something that takes up a whole lot of time and effort and there are no shortcuts. Perhaps your daughter is not so much interested in ballet as much as another kind of dancing. Ballerinas start young and reach their peak early in life. It is hard on the feet which are disfigured and permanently stressed. I used to be friends with a lady who danced in the corps in a major company in New York and her feet never recovered. You and your daughter need to determine just what kind of career she wants now, before it is too late. Do some research to help her decide just what kind of dance she wants to be involved in. Look into how much dancers make and how what they need to do to reach their goals. Plus, another thing to consider is how she plans to earn the money to start or take over her own studio. She will need to be realistic about this. The lady I mentioned above did not have a fall back plan and had to support herself promoting and selling various items at trade shows and fairs. It was a precarious living. It is good that your daughter has a plan for what to do when she can no longer dance the night away. My daughters were pulled out of dance when it became time for them to go on point. They knew they could not make enough money to support themselves and we did not have enough money to support the training they needed to become professional. So, it made sense to take them out before their feet were permanently damaged and to give them a chance to find other intersts. Both girls were good, very good and received a lot of training for free, but still we could not pay for them to train in New York, or to live apart from us as was needed for them to continue a career in dance. She has been on pointe for almost a year and while she loves ballet she loves the other stuff too. She is a crazy good tapper. Her current competition solo is a tap solo and it’s my favorite of the solos she’s done. She would say her weakest style is hip hop and I would probably agree. She loves musical theater and the acting part of dance but she rarely gets that opportunity. Her last 4 Halloween costumes were all characters from different musicals. She auditioned and got the role for the youngest Fiona for Shrek but Covid had other thoughts. DH and I have known for awhile that college isn’t her path but we are stilling investing/planning for post high school support for her and if that looks like starting up a dance studio, then we are working on that end. She assists in two younger ballet classes and the youngest jazz class and she absolutely loves helping. Both the teachers she helps say she is one of the best assistants they have. So, she sees teaching dance very much in her future.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 6, 2021 12:29:05 GMT
Why not interview the pre-professional school? It will give you an idea of what they have to offer vs your local studio. I would also think that they could give you an assessment of her skill level and if she has a chance at making it her career. Is it possible for her to take classes at both studios? Perhaps technique classes at the pre-pro school and a fun class or two at the local studio? I’d give it a year and if the drive and distance doesn’t work for you, you can always go back to the local studio.
As for her future, is she doesn’t have the skill for a cruise ship or stage, she may find satisfaction in working as a teacher or assistant locally and participating in community theatre. That may give her the outlet for dance.
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Post by kelly8875 on Jan 6, 2021 13:07:55 GMT
If she’s serious about dance, you need to talk to the other studio about the training and classes they have. Also the levels of competition classes and routines. Competition is huge, and if she’s already saying she doesnt feel she can keep up, she needs to get better training. At 12, my DD took classes 4 days a week, about 16 hours of classes after school. Plus many weekends of extra choreography. I think that year she had 15 costumes for recital. She was dancing elite classes above most of the other girls in her studio. She took the high school classes at the West Coast Dance convention in Vegas that summer, and kept up great. She was all in that year. She wanted it to be a career too.
Give her a year that she will need to see how serious this dance training needs to be. It’s super hard on the parents, but also, I wouldn’t change it looking back. She LOVED it, and I loved spending that time traveling with her and watching her.
Several students in her studio have gone on to professional levels, and she could have too if she would have wanted. But she grew tired of the pain in her feet and back, and slowed herself down to just dancing for fun throughout high school. (Lol but still about 15 hours of varsity practice a week on her POMS team)
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Post by paigepea on Jan 6, 2021 13:18:49 GMT
My kids went to/go to a competitive dance studio in our town. It's pretty much recreational, but a few girls go on to a top university for dance majors. The Dance Moms show is from a dance studio about 45 from us! My 3 girls all danced at the same studio and enjoy it. My middle daughter is on a Dance Team in college (ACC university) and loves it! Of course it's sad this year because they can't do anything. She is a senior and seniors get to travel to all away football games. She is so sad that she didn't get this opportunity this year. My youngest is a senior in high school and is trying to decide whether to try out for a dance team in college! I would hope, that after all of these years of dance, that my older dd would pick a university that has a dance team. It would be sad for her to throw away her skill and she gets so much joy from dancing. My little dd loves it but she has a first love in math. This is the first year she’s had trouble keeping up in both areas so we have decided she needs to choose next year. I am pushing her with dance. It’s too expensive and takes a lot of time but I feel she can do math things at school and will always have math class. I like the creative / movement outlet. I hope your dd finds a dance team if she wants one. They aren’t as common at our Canadian universities.
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Post by elaine on Jan 6, 2021 13:30:43 GMT
Let me add that I think that encouraging her to continue with ASL is a great thing. If she finds it hard to make a go of it financially dancing, there is usually a need for ASL interpreters in many communities, including for theater. Our school district is usually hiring ASL interpreters. If she was good enough to interpret for public speeches and/or performances, it would also give her a chance to “perform” in front of an audience.
She might have the time to both dance and interpret.
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Post by paigepea on Jan 6, 2021 13:33:34 GMT
My daughters attended a serious dance studio. Now days it probably would be called "pre-professional". They had classes 6 hours a week plus rehearsals for programs and the like. They did not have true recitals but instead performed parts of ballets like Swan Lake or Nutcraker with the younger students performing in little episodes between the portions of the ballet. Professionals were hired to perform with them as well as other dancers who were semi-professional were given parts to fill out the program. The studio also took the girls to seminars and to New York to dance and participate in classes to compete for major scholarships. The girls who were going forth in their training took classes in New York living away from home at an early age, some as young as 12. Their parents paid for them to board with the school they were in and to fly back and forth for the holidays. (No summers off of course.) By 12 years old your daughter should be already be working on-point or pre-point classes and perhaps having classes with male dancers learning the lifts and how to dance with a partner. Hopefully she has had an orthopedic doc take xrays and look at her feet to be sure bones are good for this. Ballet is something that takes up a whole lot of time and effort and there are no shortcuts. Perhaps your daughter is not so much interested in ballet as much as another kind of dancing. Ballerinas start young and reach their peak early in life. It is hard on the feet which are disfigured and permanently stressed. I used to be friends with a lady who danced in the corps in a major company in New York and her feet never recovered. You and your daughter need to determine just what kind of career she wants now, before it is too late. Do some research to help her decide just what kind of dance she wants to be involved in. Look into how much dancers make and how what they need to do to reach their goals. Plus, another thing to consider is how she plans to earn the money to start or take over her own studio. She will need to be realistic about this. The lady I mentioned above did not have a fall back plan and had to support herself promoting and selling various items at trade shows and fairs. It was a precarious living. It is good that your daughter has a plan for what to do when she can no longer dance the night away. My daughters were pulled out of dance when it became time for them to go on point. They knew they could not make enough money to support themselves and we did not have enough money to support the training they needed to become professional. So, it made sense to take them out before their feet were permanently damaged and to give them a chance to find other intersts. Both girls were good, very good and received a lot of training for free, but still we could not pay for them to train in New York, or to live apart from us as was needed for them to continue a career in dance. She has been on pointe for almost a year and while she loves ballet she loves the other stuff too. She is a crazy good tapper. Her current competition solo is a tap solo and it’s my favorite of the solos she’s done. She would say her weakest style is hip hop and I would probably agree. She loves musical theater and the acting part of dance but she rarely gets that opportunity. Her last 4 Halloween costumes were all characters from different musicals. She auditioned and got the role for the youngest Fiona for Shrek but Covid had other thoughts. DH and I have known for awhile that college isn’t her path but we are stilling investing/planning for post high school support for her and if that looks like starting up a dance studio, then we are working on that end. She assists in two younger ballet classes and the youngest jazz class and she absolutely loves helping. Both the teachers she helps say she is one of the best assistants they have. So, she sees teaching dance very much in her future. If your dd isn’t interested in dance at university then I’d for sure move studios for her and encourage her interest in dance. Our dance studio owner took that route - professional dance studio to company, cruise ships for a few years, then back to open a studio. She started working for another studio and then broke free after creative differences. She’s doing well now but it’s a constant struggle and I find her very emotional in front of clients. I think she would have done better had she had some type of business degree or management course. She’s a wonderful dance teacher but a terrible business woman. She’s awful with the clients but good with the kids in the studio. I know her hours are crazy. I find the dance teachers tend to be transient. I don’t know if they move studio to studio always looking for something different or seeking out new opportunities, but over the last 12 years there have been many changes. Some stay a good 6-8 years , others 1-2 years. I don’t know if our owner is hard to work for or if they want to move on. From what I hear this is common and isn’t just happening at our studio. My 15 year old started pointe this year. She did pre pointe back when she was 11/12 but we never allowed her on pointe and she was ok with it. Being a pedi my dh didn’t want anything going on with her feet. This year, with Covid / no competitions or performances I could see she was looking for something new at dance. I suggested the pointe and she was thrilled with the idea. This is the first year pointe is necessary doe the ballet exam so it means she can continue with exams. She only does 2 1/2 classes per week but she’s really enjoying it. My other dd started pre pointe this year at 11. She also loves tap. She finds it very methodical and mathematic with the counting and the rhythm. We did not allow solos this year because there are no performances and I didn’t want to pay for extra but tap is her solo or choice. Good luck with your decision. I think trying out the studio is a good idea. Let her do a few classes there to see if she prefers it.
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Post by caangel on Jan 6, 2021 16:17:51 GMT
I don't know where you are but in Orange County (home to Disneyland) there is a public arts charter school OC School of the Arts. It starts in middle school (7th grade I think) through high school.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Jan 6, 2021 16:21:48 GMT
Let me add that I think that encouraging her to continue with ASL is a great thing. If she finds it hard to make a go of it financially dancing, there is usually a need for ASL interpreters in many communities, including for theater. Our school district is usually hiring ASL interpreters. If she was good enough to interpret for public speeches and/or performances, it would also give her a chance to “perform” in front of an audience. She might have the time to both dance and interpret. One of the things we were talking about last night that we need to research some on is what qualifies someone to be an interpreter. I know there are college degrees but we talked about needing to find out how one can become certified or whatever it is called.
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