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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2014 16:10:07 GMT
... of success in school. Grr. We have a new kindergartener today. He speaks Hebrew and not a lick of English. Mom and Dad both speak fluent English. They moved their five year old halfway around the world and plopped him in a strange school, and couldn't be bothered to spend some time teaching him some English so he'd at least be able to communicate basic needs.
These are not refugees. They're affluent professionals who moved here (presumably with some advance notice) for the dad's job. SMH. The kid just spent the last hour in my class screaming his head off because he's terrified and can't understand anyone or make himself understood.
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Post by basketdiva on Nov 11, 2014 16:12:18 GMT
My heart aches for that little one. So irresponsible of the parents.
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Post by jenjie on Nov 11, 2014 16:13:33 GMT
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Post by GiantsFan on Nov 11, 2014 16:14:05 GMT
Poor little guy.
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Post by smartypants71 on Nov 11, 2014 16:14:38 GMT
Seriously? That is bananas. Poor kid 
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Post by wellway on Nov 11, 2014 16:14:58 GMT
The poor mite, my 11 DD has suggested getting google translate up on a screen and typing in a few phrases to help with basic phrases.
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Post by basketdiva on Nov 11, 2014 16:15:25 GMT
I am surprised if the parents are fluent how the child didn't pick up some English, unless they never spoke it around him. Could it be he is just scared of the new situation and therefore can't use the English he might know?
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Post by gypsymama on Nov 11, 2014 16:19:26 GMT
 very sad and i hate to say it, but very common among people i know who speak languages other than english, their theory is that its the school's job to teach them english...
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Post by maryland on Nov 11, 2014 16:24:04 GMT
That happened in my daughters school last year. The poor boy didn't speak any English (they were from Colombia). He was in 9th grade and in all the regular classes. The kids felt so bad for him. My daughter said it's hard enough for English speaking kids to pick up on advanced math/science terms and he is just learning English. At least there were a lot of kids that take Spanish that could help him. The boys and girls were all great at wanting to be his friend.
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2014 16:31:26 GMT
No, Mom says they never spoke English at home, only at work. He really doesn't know any.
It is our job to teach them but mom and dad have made it unnecessarily traumatic for him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:33:43 GMT
Don't mean to pull a scrappower here but you may not know the full story of this family. And, I think it's a big leap to accuse the parents of purposely hurting their child's success without a full story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:34:05 GMT
Did the school call his parents to tell them he's so upset?
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2014 17:17:08 GMT
Sorry, quick between classes - today is actually his second day. His first day coming to music. Mom shared all this info with classroom teacher yesterday when they called her at 10 am because he'd been screaming for two hours. We're not assuming anything about their situation, all straight from mom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 17:20:25 GMT
Don't mean to pull a scrappower here but you may not know the full story of this family. And, I think it's a big leap to accuse the parents of purposely hurting their child's success without a full story. WTF is wrong with you? Rude much?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 17:20:51 GMT
To me it sounds like there is more going on there. We have lots of native Spanish speakers at DS's school who do not know ANY English when they start kindergarten. That kind of reaction is not the norm.
I'm not at all condoning the parents' failure to equip this boy with some basic communication tools in English, but still... That reaction is extreme.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Nov 11, 2014 17:23:55 GMT
To me it sounds like there is more going on there. We have lots of native Spanish speakers at DS's school who do not know ANY English when they start kindergarten. That kind of reaction is not the norm. I'm not at all condoning the parents' failure to equip this boy with some basic communication tools in English, but still... That reaction is extreme. This. I work with many students who speak absolutely no English and some of them are much older their first time in a US school. That's not a typical reaction.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 11, 2014 17:25:17 GMT
Sorry, quick between classes - today is actually his second day. His first day coming to music. Mom shared all this info with classroom teacher yesterday when they called her at 10 am because he'd been screaming for two hours. We're not assuming anything about their situation, all straight from mom. I seriously hope a child would not have been left to scream for two hours in a classroom?!? After he couldn't settle within 20-30 minutes (at most) he should have been removed to the office, school nurse or counselor's office and parents called. Are there no ESL teachers in your district? No transition for nonEnglish speaking students?
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 11, 2014 17:29:57 GMT
To me it sounds like there is more going on there. We have lots of native Spanish speakers at DS's school who do not know ANY English when they start kindergarten. That kind of reaction is not the norm. I'm not at all condoning the parents' failure to equip this boy with some basic communication tools in English, but still... That reaction is extreme. Agreed. There is more going on with the screamer kid. When we lived overseas, DS went to the American school. There were a lot of embassy kids who went there as well, many of whom did not speak English. By Christmas, most were pretty fluent. It was amazing. It may not be common in Merge's school, but it's not unusual from what I have seen. But that doesn't mean I don't feel bad for the kids. I know how I feel as an adult with my broken language skills in other countries. And then to be a little kid... Yikes.
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Post by SabrinaP on Nov 11, 2014 17:33:13 GMT
Way more going on than non English speaker. I've had several before and they have never reacted by screaming for hours. Nonverbal communication can get you pretty far in kindergarten.
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Post by trollie on Nov 11, 2014 17:34:20 GMT
What is pulling a scrappower?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 17:39:24 GMT
What is pulling a scrappower? No clue but I find it extremely ride to pull me into a convo where I am not participating. I don't ger why some people feel that is acceptable. I've been at 2peas for years and have posted and contributed, laughed, cried, etc. But I guess some just can't accept that. So nice.
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Post by sisterbdsq on Nov 11, 2014 17:40:23 GMT
What is pulling a scrappower? Pull out the spreadsheet...some people think she's contrary and argumentative. 
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Post by sisterbdsq on Nov 11, 2014 17:40:58 GMT
What is pulling a scrappower? No clue but I find it extremely ride to pull me into a convo where I am not participating. I don't ger why some people feel that is acceptable. I've been at 2peas for years and have posted and contributed, laughed, cried, etc. But I guess some just can't accept that. So nice. You have opinions and don't sugarcoat them, I guess.
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Post by hennybutton on Nov 11, 2014 17:42:03 GMT
They actually may have given him the best chance to become fully bilingual. One of my favorite classes in college was linguistics. It's not uncommon in other parts of the world for children to have one language that they speak at home and another in school/public. If a child is immersed in a second language before the age of eight, they are more likely to become fully fluent in that language. Interestingly, the second language gets processed in a different part of the brain than the first language. As a result, there's no inner translation going on as there is with languages learned later in life. These children also have an easier time learning third, fourth, and even more languages. Here in America, we do our children a huge disservice by not teaching foreign language starting in kindergarten. This boy will have an advantage that other ESL student don't have in that his parents are educated and speak English. They will be able to help him. His situation is far different than the situation Maryland described.
My grandmother's parents came to America from Germany. She was born here, but only spoke German until she started school. When she was in school, the children were taught in English, no German allowed. The only language they used outside of the home once they started school was English. In their home, they still spoke German. My grandma doesn't even have an accent. As an adult, she eventually forgot how to speak German because she never used it. (I think she may have been lying about that because I don't think you really can forget your first language.)
You don't know what this family's situation is. You don't know why they moved here or how much time they had to prepare. Maybe they tried to teach him a few things and it didn't work. Maybe where they come from, children aren't given special consideration if their families speak a different language at home. Give the boy a few weeks, he'll be fine. His language centers are young and malleable.
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Post by trollie on Nov 11, 2014 17:42:40 GMT
You've always seemed helpful and thoughtful to me scrappower. That's why I wasn't understanding the comment....
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 11, 2014 18:07:02 GMT
I understand the comment. My impression of scrappower is that she tries to see things from both sides.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Nov 11, 2014 18:12:00 GMT
Can you please pull a Yubon next time? I really don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 18:13:09 GMT
I understand the comment. My impression of scrappower is that she tries to see things from both sides. Considering I was just blasted in another thread for stating my opion I am not so sure. But either way I still find it rude to be pulled into a thread like this. It did not sound like a complement with saying "sorry to pull a scrappower". Oh well. But thanks for your opinion of me, that is what I try to do, I fail at times of course. But we are only human.
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Post by lesleyanne on Nov 11, 2014 18:13:20 GMT
You ca loose your first language especially if you don't read or write it.
We have a 25% ESL student population. Many are literally "just off the boat" and have zero English. The younger ones do better but it dies take time to become conversational. Generally, you understand listening first, then speaking conversationally come much later.
Sadly many if our Asian kids loose their first language because they don't continue to learn in it once they enter an English school.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 11, 2014 18:21:03 GMT
I had a professor of education who only spoke German at home with his children. He prescribed to the idea that his kids would learn English once they began school.
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