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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 15, 2021 14:20:36 GMT
I highly recommend that everyone who is interested in a psychological take on the Capitol Insurrection and how we move forward listen to Brene Brown's latest Unlocking Us podcast.
The highlights are that dehumanization (on both sides) is detrimental to a civil society. Shame is not the way to deal with the offenders. Accountability is necessary to move forward.
I would love to discuss here. And if someone would mark this politics, I'd appreciate it.
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Post by schizo319 on Jan 15, 2021 14:27:04 GMT
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check back in after I've listened.
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Post by Olan on Jan 15, 2021 15:22:33 GMT
I love Brene Brown. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by schizo319 on Jan 15, 2021 15:25:40 GMT
Checking back. Thanks again for the recommendation. I don't disagree with a single thing that she said, I think she did an excellent job laying it out in ways that people can understand. I wish that everyone would listen, but I expect that many would immediately start "but what about blah blah", "they did it first", or "they deserve it because a, b, c". The study she mentioned about surveying what percent human people are was terrifying.
After having listened, I am going to try to be more careful about how I refer to other people in conversation. I know I have used my anger as an excuse to use dehumanizing language and that is not okay.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 15, 2021 16:10:26 GMT
Yes schizo319 you got it. I am deeply concerned with the dehumanization aspect of things. I think we've seen it play out within this message board society we have here. I think there's been an effort to dehumanize some members like snowsilver and keriwest. At the very least an attempt to shame them. And I am more interested in the line between accountability and shaming/dehumanization. Disagreement and holding people accountable is one thing and shaming/dehumanizing them is quite another. And it's easy to see how easily all of us can fall prey to dehumanization. I am not normally a controversial sort of person. I am part hippie, I think.  But on the lastest thread from leowife I even posted something about her post being obtuse which was really riding that line between holding accountable and shaming. And I can see a lot of examples in that thread alone where she was dehumanized. We might have limited influence in american society as a whole, but we can absolutely influence the type of society we have on this board. And I know after hearing that podcast, I am definitely examining my own heart. I am thinking of the times I've spoken out on Facebook in particular. Did I cross the line from holding accountable into shaming and dehumanization? I feel on several instances I absolutely did. We can all fall victim to it. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 15, 2021 16:21:41 GMT
A good listen. I’m personally not there yet. I think for my safety it’s necessary to remove the humanity from people who’ve never recognized mine. If anyone can get me there though it’s her.
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Post by peaname on Jan 15, 2021 16:58:08 GMT
I’m reading her book Daring Leadership and learning so much!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 15, 2021 17:05:34 GMT
A good listen. I’m personally not there yet. I think for my safety it’s necessary to remove the humanity from people who’ve never recognized mine. If anyone can get me there though it’s her. I completely understand your perspective as a member of a race that was horribly dehumanized and you can see from the study she cited in the podcast, there is a segment of the population that is open about dehumanizing you. In addition to the institutional ways you are still being dehumanized by even people who are trying to overcome their bias. I see your point of view in that respect for sure. I do not think the alt right and the far left (white mainly) can appropriately as a group hold to any sort of victimhood when it comes to dehumanization. So outside the context of race, neither side has the moral high ground on *not* dehumanizing the other. In the context of race, it is very clear that one race has dehumanized another for centuries and continues to unjustly do so. I'm glad you found value in this podcast |
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Post by schizo319 on Jan 15, 2021 17:06:42 GMT
A good listen. I’m personally not there yet. I think for my safety it’s necessary to remove the humanity from people who’ve never recognized mine. If anyone can get me there though it’s her. I can certainly understand your concern for your safety, and I think what you said is so well stated - they have never recognized your humanity. I don't know how we all get to a point where we all recognize the humanity in one another (I do think that it will never happen without accountability). I just wanted to take a minute to thank you for what you said - I hear you and I am sorry for your pain. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 15, 2021 17:30:15 GMT
A good listen. I’m personally not there yet. I think for my safety it’s necessary to remove the humanity from people who’ve never recognized mine. If anyone can get me there though it’s her. I completely understand your perspective as a member of a race that was horribly dehumanized and you can see from the study she cited in the podcast, there is a segment of the population that is open about dehumanizing you. In addition to the institutional ways you are still being dehumanized by even people who are trying to overcome their bias. I see your point of view in that respect for sure. I do not think the alt right and the far left (white mainly) can appropriately as a group hold to any sort of victimhood when it comes to dehumanization. So outside the context of race, neither side has the moral high ground on *not* dehumanizing the other. In the context of race, it is very clear that one race has dehumanized another for centuries and continues to unjustly do so. I'm glad you found value in this podcast Thank you for understanding. And again thanks for posting I regularly listened to her audiobooks but had gotten out of the habit. She is so impactful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 21:06:54 GMT
This should be required listening for every person in the United States. Maybe President Biden will appoint Brene Brown as "America's Psychologist" so she can get our current sorry excuse of a society back on track.
Personal responsibility. Get some.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 15, 2021 22:48:18 GMT
A good listen. I’m personally not there yet. I think for my safety it’s necessary to remove the humanity from people who’ve never recognized mine. If anyone can get me there though it’s her. I completely understand your perspective as a member of a race that was horribly dehumanized and you can see from the study she cited in the podcast, there is a segment of the population that is open about dehumanizing you. In addition to the institutional ways you are still being dehumanized by even people who are trying to overcome their bias. I see your point of view in that respect for sure. I do not think the alt right and the far left (white mainly) can appropriately as a group hold to any sort of victimhood when it comes to dehumanization. So outside the context of race, neither side has the moral high ground on *not* dehumanizing the other. In the context of race, it is very clear that one race has dehumanized another for centuries and continues to unjustly do so. I'm glad you found value in this podcast Was horribly dehumanized? As much as it should be, that is not past tense yet POC are still dehumanized. Nothing shows that more than the contrast of the responses to the mostly unarmed BLM protests and the response to largely armed white insurrectionists. And I have to say, I was wrong, I had thought we had made such progress, since I was a kid, but we haven’t. It just had a better rug pulled over it. And there is a lot of work to be done to make that past tense. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 15, 2021 23:53:54 GMT
I completely understand your perspective as a member of a race that was horribly dehumanized and you can see from the study she cited in the podcast, there is a segment of the population that is open about dehumanizing you. In addition to the institutional ways you are still being dehumanized by even people who are trying to overcome their bias. I see your point of view in that respect for sure. I do not think the alt right and the far left (white mainly) can appropriately as a group hold to any sort of victimhood when it comes to dehumanization. So outside the context of race, neither side has the moral high ground on *not* dehumanizing the other. In the context of race, it is very clear that one race has dehumanized another for centuries and continues to unjustly do so. I'm glad you found value in this podcast Was horribly dehumanized? As much as it should be, that is not past tense yet POC are still dehumanized. Nothing shows that more than the contrast of the responses to the mostly unarmed BLM protests and the response to largely armed white insurrectionists. And I have to say, I was wrong, I had thought we had made such progress, since I was a kid, but we haven’t. It just had a better rug pulled over it. And there is a lot of work to be done to make that past tense. Did you miss this? In the context of race, it is very clear that one race has dehumanized another for centuries and continues to unjustly do so. Or are you just wanting to point out that I used the word was in reference to slavery being in the past. And then followed up with this: In addition to the institutional ways you are still being dehumanized by even people who are trying to overcome their bias. It amazes me that you're taking issue with the word was in my post. But I guess it's possible to fight about anything. |
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Post by hop2 on Jan 15, 2021 23:55:38 GMT
Was horribly dehumanized? As much as it should be, that is not past tense yet POC are still dehumanized. Nothing shows that more than the contrast of the responses to the mostly unarmed BLM protests and the response to largely armed white insurrectionists. And I have to say, I was wrong, I had thought we had made such progress, since I was a kid, but we haven’t. It just had a better rug pulled over it. And there is a lot of work to be done to make that past tense. Did you miss this? In the context of race, it is very clear that one race has dehumanized another for centuries and continues to unjustly do so. Or are you just wanting to point out that I used the word was in reference to slavery being in the past. And then followed up with this: In addition to the institutional ways you are still being dehumanized by even people who are trying to overcome their bias. It amazes me that you're taking issue with the word was in my post. But I guess it's possible to fight about anything. I was not my intention to fight, I’m sorry if my post gives you that impression. I’m just trying to accentuate the point that POC are still systematically dehumanized. |
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Post by mimima on Jan 16, 2021 0:52:10 GMT
I download it, but haven't listened yet. I enjoy her Podcast.
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But on the lastest thread from leowife I even posted something about her post being obtuse which was really riding that line between holding accountable and shaming. And I can see a lot of examples in that thread alone where she was dehumanized. 
