msliz
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Post by msliz on Jan 21, 2021 21:07:54 GMT
Am I The Asshole ?
Spoiler, he's not. Scrapbook related, so I thought I'd share. tl/dr: boyfriend made a surprise! scrapbook from someone's mementos. Recipient let the scrapbook maker know he wasn't happy about it.
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Post by caangel on Jan 21, 2021 22:20:25 GMT
Yeah I'd be pissed if someone did that. It's one thing if the BF had a collection from the time and made a scrapbook for his partner but to use the other person's collection with out permission is wrong.
Fwiw I think the AITA OP is male not female.
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Post by msliz on Jan 21, 2021 22:29:52 GMT
Yeah I'd be pissed if someone did that. It's one thing if the BF had a collection from the time and made a scrapbook for his partner but to use the other person's collection with out permission is wrong. Fwiw I think the AITA OP is male not female. Oops! you're right. Fixed it. Thanks Yes, I'd be pissed too!
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Post by hop2 on Jan 22, 2021 2:43:55 GMT
It sounds like a controlling gaslighter, but I might be projecting my own issues on the subject.
But dang dude can’t respect boundaries and when gently confronted he deflects and if I read that right this isn’t the first time, he previously decorated a space.
All I see are huge red flags in that relationship
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 4:38:51 GMT
I love when my worlds collide
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Post by msliz on Jan 22, 2021 5:12:06 GMT
I love when my worlds collide I generally like to keep my worlds very very far apart from each other
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Jan 22, 2021 6:46:56 GMT
I would be pissed, that my most treasured items or memorabilia was used. If I had my treasured items stored in a box(which I actually do have treasured items in a decorative box), then that's where I wanted them. Had I wanted them scrapbooked I would have already done it.
Going through someone's private stuff is not cool.
While, the intentions of the gift were good, overall I think it was a very bad idea.
There's no nice way to handle a situations like this, either way someone is going to be upset.
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 22, 2021 9:43:31 GMT
It sounds like a controlling gaslighter I think this is a bit of an extreme assumption to make. Along with the 'huge red flags'. I completely understand why the OP is upset. I would be too. But his boyfriend had good intentions and has just lashed out because he's hurt. He put a lot of time and effort into something he thought would be appreciated and unfortunately it wasn't. Maybe he's given other gifts in the past that haven't been well received so feels sensitive. They will get over it and move on. It sounds like they may be in a new-ish relationship. My husband would know not to go through my things and make that decision for me. You can't expect someone to know your boundaries without communicating it with them. A lesson will be learnt here and I hope they'll come out the other side stronger for it.
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Post by elegantsufficiency on Jan 22, 2021 11:39:05 GMT
My m-i-l asked my Mum for some photos of me about a month before my 40th birthday without saying what she wanted them for. She made a kind of collaged photo album cover using them - it's horrible, she cut into the photos and didn't do a good job. In fact, it looks like a small child cut the photos apart using plastic scissors. It upsets me whenever I come across it (I've never done anything with it) and one day, I will just throw it away quietly. My Mum never said much about it but I know she was sorry she'd given m-i-l the photos in the first place and kind of blamed herself for handing them over without thinking...so there were two of us feeling upset about it. Well three if you count my dh, who immediately knew how I felt and possibly four, because I'm sure my Mum shared her feelings with my Dad. Of course, the one person who has always remained oblivious is m-i-l herself - I probably smiled sweetly and thanked her, saying nowt.
I was always surprised that she didn't know me well enough to understand the value I place on things like photos, even though she doesn't really care about such things herself. Possibly that was as troubling if not more so than the loss of the photos, which are after all, just "stuff".
So yes, I agree, doing anything with someone else's memories is to be treated with the utmost caution, but better still, please don't!
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 22, 2021 12:23:24 GMT
I was always surprised that she didn't know me well enough to understand the value I place on things like photos, even though she doesn't really care about such things herself. It's particularly difficult when it's photographs because on some level, everyone has an appreciation for photographs, so it makes it even more baffling when someone cuts up original photos that weren't their photos to cut! I saw a video online a few days ago where someone cut up all the fronts of the engagement cards they had received, made a collage and threw away the rest. It made me cringe. I place a lot of value on the written words in the card and have kept all my engagement cards away in a special box. The thought of cutting them up makes me feel a bit ill. We don't all place the same value on these 'things' and what is to one person worth cutting up is worth preserving to someone else. I hope you find a way to salvage the photographs.
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Post by msliz on Jan 22, 2021 12:49:27 GMT
My m-i-l asked my Mum for some photos of me about a month before my 40th birthday without saying what she wanted them for. She made a kind of collaged photo album cover using them - it's horrible, she cut into the photos and didn't do a good job. In fact, it looks like a small child cut the photos apart using plastic scissors. It upsets me whenever I come across it (I've never done anything with it) and one day, I will just throw it away quietly. My Mum never said much about it but I know she was sorry she'd given m-i-l the photos in the first place and kind of blamed herself for handing them over without thinking...so there were two of us feeling upset about it. Well three if you count my dh, who immediately knew how I felt and possibly four, because I'm sure my Mum shared her feelings with my Dad. Of course, the one person who has always remained oblivious is m-i-l herself - I probably smiled sweetly and thanked her, saying nowt. I was always surprised that she didn't know me well enough to understand the value I place on things like photos, even though she doesn't really care about such things herself. Possibly that was as troubling if not more so than the loss of the photos, which are after all, just "stuff". So yes, I agree, doing anything with someone else's memories is to be treated with the utmost caution, but better still, please don't! I'm so sorry. I know what it's like to lose photos that are precious to you. I hope the faces are still visible and that you can scan them and make something else from the images. Maybe someone who is good with Photoshop might be able to help you.
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Post by riversong1963 on Jan 22, 2021 16:04:40 GMT
Disclaimer: I didn't read the story from the link in the OP. When it comes to personal belongings, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to respect your privacy. I don't think you should have to set any ground rules about that. I would expect that to be a given. Anyone who would violate that respect wouldn't be someone I would stay with; and I certainly wouldn't stay with someone who took my property, no matter what lovely thing they made with it. Having said that, I do understand that some people are not taught those things when they're young, so setting ground rules might be necessary. I would never hand over precious photos to someone either. Period. Get copies made if you can't make them yourself, and hand those over. I would also need to know what the person was planning to do with them. My MIL has a terrible habit of picking up any mail we have on the table and looking through it. We've spoken to her many times about it. I was always worried about hurting her feelings, but this is a matter of privacy and respect. Now when she comes upstairs (she lives downstairs from us), I actually pick up any mail that's on the table and put it in our bedroom. Yep, right in front of her. She's commented about it, and my husband didn't hold anything back when he told her why I was doing it. There's even more back story to this one, but I'll save it for another time.
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Post by julie5 on Jan 22, 2021 17:06:36 GMT
Any time I scrap old stuff for my hubby I use duplicates. Never original photos or mementos.
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Post by infochick on Jan 22, 2021 20:11:47 GMT
Oh elegantsufficiency , I am so sorry...I feel for you. I certainly don't blame you for being upset, and just wanting to throw the offending object away. It would definitely be something that would bother me a lot. When my partner's father passed away we were looking for photos for the ceremony, and my partner's mom had tons, just in boxes and tins, not particularly organized. SIL suggested that we scrapbook them for her (SIL is not a scrapbooker) and I just cringed. It really isn't something I would want to tackle for someone else without them really wanting it. Even so, I don't know if I would actually scrapbook them, or just put them into a simple album with photo corners so as not to do anything permanent. It really is something where you would not want to risk disappointing someone with the final product. I would hate to do something that wasn't their taste.
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Post by scrappyem on Jan 22, 2021 21:21:10 GMT
Love that subreddit. DH will occasionally read them to me. This story made me cringe. Just no. I think the invasion of privacy would bother me the most, even if it was not coming for a bad place. I was happy to see it has been updated to say they are in couples therapy.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 24, 2021 2:35:05 GMT
This is interesting. Reddit OP's qualifying edits changed my thoughts. His best friend encouraged the BF. So the BF didn't just take the time to do something special for his BF, but he asked his BF's best friend their thoughts. That is really important.
I get that the OP feels upset, but I think the BF did something with the best of intentions and it was a thoughtful gift. While I wouldn't have wanted something like that, my best friend would also KNOW that for sure.
ETA: Not sure why anyone would think this BF is controlling? Did I miss something?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 4:59:52 GMT
Honestly, I think gift scrapbooks are really dumb anyway. Why would I want someone else To give me a scrapbook of my personal pictures.
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Post by wendifful on Jan 24, 2021 6:24:26 GMT
The AITA subreddit is my guilty pleasure so I thought of the Peas when I read this too! I'm glad someone else shared it!
When I read stories like this (or stories where a parent/sibling/partner throws away someone's cherished items), I have to try really hard not to put myself in the person's shoes because I get so sick to my stomach if I imagine it happening to my belongings. My family's house burned down when I was 13, so I know full well what losing treasured memories/mementos feels like. I can't imagine the additional betrayal if someone I loved did this to me on purpose, rather than it being an act of nature.
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Post by msliz on Jan 24, 2021 8:36:08 GMT
ETA: Not sure why anyone would think this BF is controlling? Did I miss something? I think it's just the idea of someone going through another's personal belongings without having been invited to. It's invasive. It's disrespectful of boundaries. And then "doing something" to the objects is that much worse. For someone else to decide the fate of another's belongings is a controlling behavior.
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 24, 2021 11:34:10 GMT
I get that the OP feels upset, but I think the BF did something with the best of intentions and it was a thoughtful gift. While I wouldn't have wanted something like that, my best friend would also KNOW that for sure. This is my thoughts as well. Anyone with access to my personal belongings already knows my boundaries. I don't think the OP is an asshole but if you want your boundaries respected, you do have to communicate what those boundaries are. If they don't live together then the BF definitely shouldn't have gone through their things. But if they live together and the mementos are stored in a public space (ie. a bookshelf where both their belongings live) in a communal area - I don't think it's fair for someone to be expected to know what your boundaries are if they haven't been communicated.
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Post by riversong1963 on Jan 24, 2021 15:49:03 GMT
I get that the OP feels upset, but I think the BF did something with the best of intentions and it was a thoughtful gift. While I wouldn't have wanted something like that, my best friend would also KNOW that for sure. This is my thoughts as well. Anyone with access to my personal belongings already knows my boundaries. I don't think the OP is an asshole but if you want your boundaries respected, you do have to communicate what those boundaries are. If they don't live together then the BF definitely shouldn't have gone through their things. But if they live together and the mementos are stored in a public space (ie. a bookshelf where both their belongings live) in a communal area - I don't think it's fair for someone to be expected to know what your boundaries are if they haven't been communicated. I understand what you're saying, but I have to disagree. If I were living with someone, I would never assume that I had a right to go through their things simply because they are stored on a common area bookshelf. If it isn't mine, I don't touch it. You shouldn't have to set boundaries about that. It's common courtesy and respect.
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 24, 2021 16:41:18 GMT
This is my thoughts as well. Anyone with access to my personal belongings already knows my boundaries. I don't think the OP is an asshole but if you want your boundaries respected, you do have to communicate what those boundaries are. If they don't live together then the BF definitely shouldn't have gone through their things. But if they live together and the mementos are stored in a public space (ie. a bookshelf where both their belongings live) in a communal area - I don't think it's fair for someone to be expected to know what your boundaries are if they haven't been communicated. I understand what you're saying, but I have to disagree. If I were living with someone, I would never assume that I had a right to go through their things simply because they are stored on a common area bookshelf. If it isn't mine, I don't touch it. You shouldn't have to set boundaries about that. It's common courtesy and respect. We will probably have to agree to disagree because of course, this is all personal and how you choose to live with others. The situation you described though, I would hate to live that way with my husband. I cannot imagine that I'd feel like a boundary had been crossed if my husband if touched something of mine that was on a bookshelf in our lounge. It's on a bookshelf in a communal place because this is our home together. If I had a box of photos on that bookshelf that I didn't want him to go through then because it's amongst our shared possessions, I wouldn't expect him to know not to look in the box unless I had said - hey, don't touch my box or hey, that box of mementos is precious to me, please don't go in my box. To be honest, I own nothing that I wouldn't want my husband to go through and I know he wouldn't cut up my photos or mementos. We have that mutual respect established already and that boundary has been silently set.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 24, 2021 20:21:20 GMT
This is interesting. Reddit OP's qualifying edits changed my thoughts. His best friend encouraged the BF. So the BF didn't just take the time to do something special for his BF, but he asked his BF's best friend their thoughts. That is really important. I get that the OP feels upset, but I think the BF did something with the best of intentions and it was a thoughtful gift. While I wouldn't have wanted something like that, my best friend would also KNOW that for sure. ETA: Not sure why anyone would think this BF is controlling? Did I miss something? Because the scrapbook issue isn’t the first thing that the guy has done over stepping boundaries. On the thread there’s the decorating of the room and the guy just doesn’t listen or care about the persons feelings at all. And controlling people ‘groom’ you just like predators do so they do these things one incident at a time slowly. They step by step control your world, cut off any response from you by aggressively blaming it all in you, eventually they begin to isolate you so no one else can counter that it’s all your fault. Because instead of accepting the way that the Recipient feels about the scrap book & the invasion of privacy of the mementos the offender can’t even accept that and immediately flips to blame the recipient of the gift. The gift giver can not accept or acknowledge the recipients feelings at all and pretty immediately blames the victim semi aggressively. It’s classic abuser behavior to blame the victim and gaslight them that it’s all their fault. As I said in my post perhaps I’m projecting a little since I have been in a relationship where I was abused by a controller that way, but it sure has a familiar ring to it. Kinda like when I was first married stuff like this would be done and if I questioned it then I’d get blamed.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 25, 2021 3:29:47 GMT
ETA: Not sure why anyone would think this BF is controlling? Did I miss something? I think it's just the idea of someone going through another's personal belongings without having been invited them to. It's invasive. It's disrespectful of boundaries. And then "doing something" to the objects is that much worse. For someone else to decide the fate of another's belongings is a controlling behavior. IDK. My stuff is just dumped in boxes. Is that what this was? Was it hidden away? In boxes the BF had to search for? Again, best friend said it was okay. BF ASKED! He was trying to do the right thing.
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Post by msliz on Jan 25, 2021 5:03:05 GMT
I think it's just the idea of someone going through another's personal belongings without having been invited them to. It's invasive. It's disrespectful of boundaries. And then "doing something" to the objects is that much worse. For someone else to decide the fate of another's belongings is a controlling behavior. IDK. My stuff is just dumped in boxes. Is that what this was? Was it hidden away? In boxes the BF had to search for? Again, best friend said it was okay. BF ASKED! He was trying to do the right thing. He probably was trying to do the right thing. Making handcrafted items is usually a loving gesture. But for me, it doesn't change the fact that the maker still acted without the permission of the owner. It doesn't matter to me that BF said it was okay because it wasn't BF's place to speak for the owner. And we found out after the fact that BF was wrong anyway. It was not okay. I hope they're able to work it out.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 25, 2021 14:02:56 GMT
IDK. My stuff is just dumped in boxes. Is that what this was? Was it hidden away? In boxes the BF had to search for? Again, best friend said it was okay. BF ASKED! He was trying to do the right thing. He probably was trying to do the right thing. Making handcrafted items is usually a loving gesture. But for me, it doesn't change the fact that the maker still acted without the permission of the owner. It doesn't matter to me that BF said it was okay because it wasn't BF's place to speak for the owner. And we found out after the fact that BF was wrong anyway. It was not okay. I hope they're able to work it out. I agree. I think if I knew whether or not they were living together and where the stuff was, it would be clearer to me. Years ago, I gathered all my XH's basketball memorabilia and made him a really nice scrapbook. He loved it. It is pretty much the same principle, right? I didn't ask, but I knew he had it in a box and was never going to do anything with it. But I still do not see how this is controlling at all.
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Post by jjpeapea on Jan 25, 2021 14:13:55 GMT
I think he meant well, but he just didn't get how she felt about her memorabilia. But note to our future selves: if you scrap other people's things, even with permission, put it in pockets, photo corners, sleeves and use scanned reprinted photos. Better safe than sorry, I guess.
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 25, 2021 18:07:41 GMT
As I said in my post perhaps I’m projecting a little since I have been in a relationship where I was abused by a controller that way, but it sure has a familiar ring to it. Kinda like when I was first married stuff like this would be done and if I questioned it then I’d get blamed. I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope you are in a better place now.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 25, 2021 18:52:18 GMT
He probably was trying to do the right thing. Making handcrafted items is usually a loving gesture. But for me, it doesn't change the fact that the maker still acted without the permission of the owner. It doesn't matter to me that BF said it was okay because it wasn't BF's place to speak for the owner. And we found out after the fact that BF was wrong anyway. It was not okay. I hope they're able to work it out. I agree. I think if I knew whether or not they were living together and where the stuff was, it would be clearer to me. Years ago, I gathered all my XH's basketball memorabilia and made him a really nice scrapbook. He loved it. It is pretty much the same principle, right? I didn't ask, but I knew he had it in a box and was never going to do anything with it. But I still do not see how this is controlling at all. Scrapbooking someone’s stuff ( or as in the previous incident in their relationship - decorating a space ) is not what is controlling. Not allowing your partner to have feelings or opinions about their stuff, their space or their gift, is controlling. When the Reddit poster waited a few days then went to discuss how they felt their boundaries were violated the person flipped it back on them and made it all their fault for not appreciating it, then got angry. That is controlling. Instantly negating your partners feelings and opinions and blaming them for feeling that way or having that opinion is controlling.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 25, 2021 20:34:36 GMT
I agree. I think if I knew whether or not they were living together and where the stuff was, it would be clearer to me. Years ago, I gathered all my XH's basketball memorabilia and made him a really nice scrapbook. He loved it. It is pretty much the same principle, right? I didn't ask, but I knew he had it in a box and was never going to do anything with it. But I still do not see how this is controlling at all. Scrapbooking someone’s stuff ( or as in the previous incident in their relationship - decorating a space ) is not what is controlling. Not allowing your partner to have feelings or opinions about their stuff, their space or their gift, is controlling. W hen the Reddit poster waited a few days then went to discuss how they felt their boundaries were violated the person flipped it back on them and made it all their fault for not appreciating it, then got angry. That is controlling.
Instantly negating your partners feelings and opinions and blaming them for feeling that way or having that opinion is controlling. Ah. I missed that. Yes, indeed, 100%. Thanks for clarifying.
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