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Post by flanz on Feb 19, 2021 0:43:58 GMT
Summarized from Twitter feed of James Talarico:
“Texans must ask their *elected leaders* these 4 questions: 1. Why is our grid not winterized? 2. Why are we disconnected from the national grid? 3. Why does our energy system put profits over people 4. Why are we ignoring climate change?”
-James Talarico
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2021 1:15:41 GMT
Summarized from Twitter feed of James Talarico: “Texans must ask their *elected leaders* these 4 questions: 1. Why is our grid not winterized? 2. Why are we disconnected from the national grid? 3. Why does our energy system put profits over people 4. Why are we ignoring climate change?” -James Talarico Oh, we’ll be asking. Except for Karen in Bumblefart county, who has informed me on Facebook comments that Abbott et al have failed Texas only because they haven’t been *conservative enough.* 🙄
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Post by flanz on Feb 19, 2021 6:19:46 GMT
Summarized from Twitter feed of James Talarico: “Texans must ask their *elected leaders* these 4 questions: 1. Why is our grid not winterized? 2. Why are we disconnected from the national grid? 3. Why does our energy system put profits over people 4. Why are we ignoring climate change?” -James Talarico Oh, we’ll be asking. Except for Karen in Bumblefart county, who has informed me on Facebook comments that Abbott et al have failed Texas only because they haven’t been *conservative enough.* 🙄 That must be it!
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Feb 19, 2021 6:22:24 GMT
I feel a need to explore this land of Bumblefart.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2021 12:03:49 GMT
I’m curious how the idea of keeping their electricity separate was sold to the people. Were they aware that this could happen (as Rick Perry implied when he said that Texans should be willing to sacrifice to keep the regulators out?) I hope that people realize that regulations are there for a reason and that big business can’t be counted in to do the right thing. And neither can Some politicians.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 19, 2021 12:45:01 GMT
I saw a post last night that explained that when FDR tried to connect the east and west power grids, texas was all "NOPE! We will have our own bc we are TEXAS!" anyone know if that is true? The same post said El Paso was on the west grid, and that didn't make sense to me either - why are they allowed to be on the west's grid? I will try to find the post...
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 19, 2021 13:05:15 GMT
I was watching TikTok last night and there was a guy who "said" he lived in TX and owned an energy company. Then he went on to say that it's not the energy companies that failed, it's not their fault it's that the GOVERNMENT IS CONTROLLING THE WEATHER AND SENDING THE POLAR VORTEX TO TEXAS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SECEDE. WHAT?!?!!? W.....T.....F? ? Then he is going on about HAARP and all this other crap. And the comments....so much support in the comments. People believe this shit. I commented "yeah, ok, the government is controlling the weather. Sure, let's believe the energy company guy who FAILED his fellow Texans". What a clown. I had thought I had seen/heard everything but that surprised me. I just had to put my phone down. Reading the responses makes me weep for the future.
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Post by wellway on Feb 19, 2021 13:11:12 GMT
Just throwing this in, the UK, an island, has five interconnectors with other countries to share power with plans for ten more. The latest one with France just opened, to me it seems common sense to build in ways of dealing with the ebbs and flow of a system. Have any of these countries lessened themselves because they cooperated? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-55750411
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Post by pilcas on Feb 19, 2021 13:11:51 GMT
I was watching TikTok last night and there was a guy who "said" he lived in TX and owned an energy company. Then he went on to say that it's not the energy companies that failed, it's not their fault it's that the GOVERNMENT IS CONTROLLING THE WEATHER AND SENDING THE POLAR VORTEX TO TEXAS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SECEDE. WHAT?!?!!? W.....T.....F? ? Then he is going on about HAARP and all this other crap. And the comments....so much support in the comments. People believe this shit. I commented "yeah, ok, the government is controlling the weather. Sure, let's believe the energy company guy who FAILED his fellow Texans". What a clown. I had thought I had seen/heard everything but that surprised me. I just had to put my phone down. Reading the responses makes me weep for the future. I sometimes read the comments on social media and what people believe and the comments they make is nothing short of frightening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 13:16:45 GMT
Was it all ERCOTs fault? Based on what my husband and I have been talking about (he used to work for a power generation company and dealt with ERCOT quite a bit and I have supported various big energy customers over the past 20 years) ERCOT is the one taking the blame. The power generation companies failed fabulously on this one because they did not test their backup/bad weather measures as robustly as they could. Then again even though everything was in place how does one do a stress test on a system for subfreezing temperature variations like we've experienced this week? Yes, this week has sucked. Monumentally. Other areas of the country have been having rolling blackouts during this storm too. Oklahoma, Kansas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and New Mexico.If you look at the worst power outages in the history of the US since 1965 Texas have never been listed. We need to step very carefully here on what we as Texas residents want. If we want to tie into the national grid then I'm sure Federal regulation is part of the deal. Get ready for $600 monthly electric bills in the summer. I know many won't agree with me and I'm not interested in debating/defending my position. Having an insider's view of how the Texas electrical grid works, why it was setup the way it is, and the amount of money it would cost to fully weatherize our ~680 power plants plus 100,000 wind turbines leads me to take all of the demands by people for ERCOTs head with a big grain of salt.
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2021 13:39:30 GMT
Was it all ERCOTs fault? Based on what my husband and I have been talking about (he used to work for a power generation company and dealt with ERCOT quite a bit and I have supported various big energy customers over the past 20 years) ERCOT is the one taking the blame. The power generation companies failed fabulously on this one because they did not test their backup/bad weather measures as robustly as they could. Then again even though everything was in place how does one do a stress test on a system for subfreezing temperature variations like we've experienced this week? Yes, this week has sucked. Monumentally. Other areas of the country have been having rolling blackouts during this storm too. Oklahoma, Kansas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and New Mexico.If you look at the worst power outages in the history of the US since 1965 Texas have never been listed. We need to step very carefully here on what we as Texas residents want. If we want to tie into the national grid then I'm sure Federal regulation is part of the deal. Get ready for $600 monthly electric bills in the summer. I know many won't agree with me and I'm not interested in debating/defending my position. Having an insider's view of how the Texas electrical grid works, why it was setup the way it is, and the amount of money it would cost to fully weatherize our ~680 power plants plus 100,000 wind turbines leads me to take all of the demands by people for ERCOTs head with a big grain of salt. I’m not aware that there are other areas of the country where customers were without power and water for days due to this storm. “Rolling blackouts” don’t really describe what we’ve had here. This article makes me think we narrowly avoided total catastrophe. www.kwtx.com/2021/02/18/ercot-texas-was-seconds-and-minutes-away-from-catastrophic-months-long-blackouts/?fbclid=IwAR2JJxP-vxRKDe5nh09SXTjjTX2HFQW9sMt7Ra56QyTw25oIp3etTfD0ZL4So yeah, I think the expense of upgrading and weatherizing our power generation facilities might be worth it. Power company owners like the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, crowing about his big windfall from the sudden spike in power costs for regular customers, can pay for it. If we don’t want to hook into the national grid (which seems foolish to me, because then we have no insurance policy when things go bad), then we as a state need to be willing to enact regulations that protect the lives, safety and property of the people who rely on the utilities. Profit is clearly not sufficient motive for power company operators to protect their customers, so they’re going to have to be regulated into doing so.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 19, 2021 13:46:07 GMT
Just throwing this in, the UK, an island, has five interconnectors with other countries to share power with plans for ten more. The latest one with France just opened, to me it seems common sense to build in ways of dealing with the ebbs and flow of a system. Have any of these countries lessened themselves because they cooperated? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-55750411To those people with the 'Texas mindset' they would say YES. Socialism and communism in the making, right there. We don't want to be one global society, dammit, and you can't make us!! (said with some sarcasm, and a huge amount of cynicism.)
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2021 13:57:29 GMT
Was it all ERCOTs fault? Based on what my husband and I have been talking about (he used to work for a power generation company and dealt with ERCOT quite a bit and I have supported various big energy customers over the past 20 years) ERCOT is the one taking the blame. The power generation companies failed fabulously on this one because they did not test their backup/bad weather measures as robustly as they could. Then again even though everything was in place how does one do a stress test on a system for subfreezing temperature variations like we've experienced this week? Yes, this week has sucked. Monumentally. Other areas of the country have been having rolling blackouts during this storm too. Oklahoma, Kansas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and New Mexico.If you look at the worst power outages in the history of the US since 1965 Texas have never been listed. We need to step very carefully here on what we as Texas residents want. If we want to tie into the national grid then I'm sure Federal regulation is part of the deal. Get ready for $600 monthly electric bills in the summer. I know many won't agree with me and I'm not interested in debating/defending my position. Having an insider's view of how the Texas electrical grid works, why it was setup the way it is, and the amount of money it would cost to fully weatherize our ~680 power plants plus 100,000 wind turbines leads me to take all of the demands by people for ERCOTs head with a big grain of salt. So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2021 13:58:03 GMT
Just throwing this in, the UK, an island, has five interconnectors with other countries to share power with plans for ten more. The latest one with France just opened, to me it seems common sense to build in ways of dealing with the ebbs and flow of a system. Have any of these countries lessened themselves because they cooperated? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-55750411To those people with the 'Texas mindset' they would say YES. Socialism and communism in the making, right there. We don't want to be one global society, dammit, and you can't make us!! (said with some sarcasm, and a huge amount of cynicism.) So I assume they are going to refuse the money from the federal government, right?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 19, 2021 14:09:45 GMT
To those people with the 'Texas mindset' they would say YES. Socialism and communism in the making, right there. We don't want to be one global society, dammit, and you can't make us!! (said with some sarcasm, and a huge amount of cynicism.) So I assume they are going to refuse the money from the federal government, right? Hahahahahahahaha! Yeah. No.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 19, 2021 14:22:21 GMT
Summarized from Twitter feed of James Talarico: “Texans must ask their *elected leaders* these 4 questions: 1. Why is our grid not winterized? 2. Why are we disconnected from the national grid? 3. Why does our energy system put profits over people 4. Why are we ignoring climate change?” -James Talarico Oh, we’ll be asking. Except for Karen in Bumblefart county, who has informed me on Facebook comments that Abbott et al have failed Texas only because they haven’t been *conservative enough.* 🙄 Well, that’s certainly a *hot take*.🤦🏼♀️ I imagine, that went down about as well as I’d expect with you? 😂
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Post by casii on Feb 19, 2021 14:38:29 GMT
Was it all ERCOTs fault? Based on what my husband and I have been talking about (he used to work for a power generation company and dealt with ERCOT quite a bit and I have supported various big energy customers over the past 20 years) ERCOT is the one taking the blame. The power generation companies failed fabulously on this one because they did not test their backup/bad weather measures as robustly as they could. Then again even though everything was in place how does one do a stress test on a system for subfreezing temperature variations like we've experienced this week? Yes, this week has sucked. Monumentally. Other areas of the country have been having rolling blackouts during this storm too. Oklahoma, Kansas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and New Mexico.If you look at the worst power outages in the history of the US since 1965 Texas have never been listed. We need to step very carefully here on what we as Texas residents want. If we want to tie into the national grid then I'm sure Federal regulation is part of the deal. Get ready for $600 monthly electric bills in the summer. I know many won't agree with me and I'm not interested in debating/defending my position. Having an insider's view of how the Texas electrical grid works, why it was setup the way it is, and the amount of money it would cost to fully weatherize our ~680 power plants plus 100,000 wind turbines leads me to take all of the demands by people for ERCOTs head with a big grain of salt. So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?!
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2021 14:41:27 GMT
So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?! It's how they scare gullible Texans into keeping our system separate so energy company owners can profit more. Funny how no one seems concerned about the billions that will be lost by insurance companies, homeowners, grocery store chains that had to throw out tons of food, restaurants that can't operate without clean water, etc... as long as the power companies are raking it in. Never mind all the people who have DIED.
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2021 14:42:06 GMT
Oh, we’ll be asking. Except for Karen in Bumblefart county, who has informed me on Facebook comments that Abbott et al have failed Texas only because they haven’t been *conservative enough.* 🙄 Well, that’s certainly a *hot take*.🤦🏼♀️ I imagine, that went down about as well as I’d expect with you? 😂 I've given up arguing with idiots on the internet for Lent.
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Post by Just T on Feb 19, 2021 14:43:08 GMT
So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Yeah, that. Good grief. How selfish..."we like our lower costs and we don't want government regulations, but when things go awry, we want government money to help." BLECH. And yeah, I live in a place that is hot and very humid in the summer. And even in the hottest of summers, we have never, ever had a $600 electric bill. Even now with this bitter cold we have had for 2 weeks, our gas bill will probably be around $200 for the month.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 19, 2021 14:44:09 GMT
So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?! I don’t pay that much at all. While we’re careful with our electric use, our winter balanced billing works out at $120 a month for gas/electric where I live in ND.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2021 14:44:39 GMT
So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?! Seems so, based on @evie’s post. Probably how they got them to agree that it was a good idea not to weatherize. I would be interested to see how what they currently pay compares to the rest of the country. Seems that the companies aren’t really interested in looking out for anything but their profits. I agree with merge that those who are set to profit from this disaster should be the ones to pay for the upgrades, and I would add that they should be donating those profits to help the state and/or offset the increased costs people are incurring this month. I’m not holding my breath.
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2021 14:46:15 GMT
Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?! I don’t pay that much at all. While we’re careful with our electric use, our winter balanced billing works out at $120 a month for gas/electric where I live in ND. The $600/month scare comes from the assumption that most Texans, like the state GOP leadership, are living in 6,000 sf McMansions with three air conditioning units keeping the place at 68 all summer.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 19, 2021 14:47:14 GMT
So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Yeah, that. Good grief. How selfish..."we like our lower costs and we don't want government regulations, but when things go awry, we want government money to help." BLECH. And yeah, I live in a place that is hot and very humid in the summer. And even in the hottest of summers, we have never, ever had a $600 electric bill. Even now with this bitter cold we have had for 2 weeks, our gas bill will probably be around $200 for the month. in the summertime south of Phoenix, with 115F high temps, our highest electric bill is probably somewhere in the $250 range. Granted, we keep our house about 80F instead of at 70F or colder like some people do, but 80F is still comfortable compared to 110F plus... if we would have *ever* gotten a $600 electric bill, my DH would BLOW a gasket, and I would absolutely remember that. The $600/month scare comes from the assumption that most Texans, like the state GOP leadership, are living in 6,000 sf McMansions with three air conditioning units keeping the place at 68 all summer. but wait- what about personal accountability and self-reliance?!? move into a smaller house, or turn the thermostat up! No one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to KEEP the temp at 68F in the summertime, are they?!? They MUST be!! how awful!
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Post by katybee on Feb 19, 2021 14:47:15 GMT
So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?! Well that has to be true, right? Also—people in countries with universal healthcare are all dying of cancer while waiting for an appointment. I read it on FB, so it has to be true.
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 19, 2021 14:47:56 GMT
Well, that’s certainly a *hot take*.🤦🏼♀️ I imagine, that went down about as well as I’d expect with you? 😂 I've given up arguing with idiots on the internet for Lent. 😂 I would’ve walked away too. I’m long over reasoning with “clearly too idiotic to reason with” Facebook commenters. I’ve taken on the “not reading the comments is self care” philosophy now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 14:54:55 GMT
Summarized from Twitter feed of James Talarico: “Texans must ask their *elected leaders* these 4 questions: 1. Why is our grid not winterized? 2. Why are we disconnected from the national grid? 3. Why does our energy system put profits over people 4. Why are we ignoring climate change?” -James Talarico Oh, we’ll be asking. Except for Karen in Bumblefart county, who has informed me on Facebook comments that Abbott et al have failed Texas only because they haven’t been *conservative enough.* 🙄 Yep. This is why Texas can't have nice things. Instead of asking those questions above, too many will be asking: Will this elected official if I vote for them: 1. Push my version of my god on the rest of the state, in schools, courthouses, town halls, etc? 2. Keep guns absolutely without any common sense regulations? Registration, training requirements, etc? 3. Keep my taxes as low as possible - even if that means no/low services no/low help for others? God, guns, greed. The favorite 3 questions of too many Texans (and too many GOP voters)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 14:59:36 GMT
Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?! Look at the Griddy screenshots in the other thread about TX power - there are Texans who are paying that much or more in a DAY now. Fixed price vs floating price risk. Unhedged floating price risk is not a place you want to be - ever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:00:04 GMT
One of the main things the myriad of articles about the Texas power that are not being mentioned is a key piece of history. One of the main reasons the power grid in Texas was isolated was to support the war efforts in WWII. Much of the war manufacturing was taking place in Texas. If the major citie of the East and West coasts were attacked the US as a whole would have been seriously SOL. Keeping the Texas grid isolated meant we could keep churning the needed supplies to fight and support our allies during Hilter's rein across Europe. I am trying to find the articles to support this but they are buried with the current repeat of winter storm stories about Texas. As for the rest of country spending billions to help Texas? Texas and Texans pay taxes, too, so that argument is pretty short-sighted. If the rest of the country really wanted to go there then Texas could shut our ports and exports down but that sure would put a dent in everyone's Keto diet, ability to wear cotton t-shirts, fuel their cars, build just about any building, have heavy equipment and parts to maintain what is already in place not to mention what it would do for our national defense and country's technology climate. I'm not for secession but when your state has the 10th largest GDP in the world (in front of Brazil, Canada and South Korea) and it keeps growing then you know you are doing something right that puts things back into the coffers of the entire US in some shape, fashion or form. Yes, we do have friends in northern parts of the US who have exorbitant electric bills when summer hits and their power grids cannot maintain the demands to keep cool. It may not have happened to you personally but it does happen. FYI - the Texas grid is connected to the East, West and Mexico grids. We can (and have) transferred power to both Oklahoma and Mexico before. Almost got in trouble for it but the Federal government sided with Texas because we were doing the right thing to help neighbors out when the Eastern Interconnect couldn't fix their issue in a timely manner. (I'm sure these comments are going to stir up a hornet's nest now. )
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 19, 2021 15:01:19 GMT
I don’t pay that much at all. While we’re careful with our electric use, our winter balanced billing works out at $120 a month for gas/electric where I live in ND. The $600/month scare comes from the assumption that most Texans, like the state GOP leadership, are living in 6,000 sf McMansions with three air conditioning units keeping the place at 68 all summer. The $600 a month for an average home isn’t a thing here, and I live in MN where it can get freakishly cold at times in the winter and beastly hot in the summer. My house is 3600 SF and we keep it at about 70° year round. Even when our gas and electric isn’t on a budget plan (which many people do to average out their monthly bills to make them more predictable throughout the year), we haven’t yet had a bill over maybe $300 in one month and that’s when it’s been the worst of the worst in winter or summer.
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