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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:05:49 GMT
How selfish..."we like our lower costs and we don't want government regulations, but when things go awry, we want government money to help." BLECH. The GOP way - capitalism for thee, socialism (when I need it) for me. like the state GOP leadership, are living in 6,000 sf McMansions with three air conditioning units keeping the place at 68 all summer. And pool pumps and separate HVACed outbuildings - man cave, she shed, playroom - as you do....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:07:41 GMT
the Texas grid is connected to the East, West and Mexico grids. The Texas grid has flea power connections to the East and Mexico. See those tiny MW numbers? Then remember that ERCOT's peak load was above 70,000 MW There are no interconnects to the West. But parts of west Texas are on the western interconnect (El Paso). That is still not "connected" to ERCOT.
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Post by stittsygirl on Feb 19, 2021 15:13:52 GMT
So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. Have some Texas folks been led to believe the rest of us are paying $600 a month for electric!?! We lived in AZ for five years (before our eight years in TX) and never paid even close to that much, even during the summers with the AC on. I’m not sure where that figure comes from either 🤔.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:15:30 GMT
I’m not sure where that figure comes from either Right wing think tanks that know how to scare people into believing whatever they want them to believe. Though, to be fair, bills could go up SIGNIFICANTLY in TX for a time, to catch up to the regs and costly maintenance they've been skipping all this time. Pay me now or pay me later. Or, if they have their way, pay never and then get the Feds to step in and do stuff for free.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2021 15:16:43 GMT
One of the main things the myriad of articles about the Texas power that are not being mentioned is a key piece of history. One of the main reasons the power grid in Texas was isolated was to support the war efforts in WWII. Much of the war manufacturing was taking place in Texas. If the major citie of the East and West coasts were attacked the US as a whole would have been seriously SOL. Keeping the Texas grid isolated meant we could keep churning the needed supplies to fight and support our allies during Hilter's rein across Europe. I am trying to find the articles to support this but they are buried with the current repeat of winter storm stories about Texas. As for the rest of country spending billions to help Texas? Texas and Texans pay taxes, too, so that argument is pretty short-sighted. If the rest of the country really wanted to go there then Texas could shut our ports and exports down but that sure would put a dent in everyone's Keto diet, ability to wear cotton t-shirts, fuel their cars, build just about any building, have heavy equipment and parts to maintain what is already in place not to mention what it would do for our national defense and country's technology climate. I'm not for secession but when your state has the 10th largest GDP in the world (in front of Brazil, Canada and South Korea) and it keeps growing then you know you are doing something right that puts things back into the coffers of the entire US in some shape, fashion or form. Yes, we do have friends in northern parts of the US who have exorbitant electric bills when summer hits and their power grids cannot maintain the demands to keep cool. It may not have happened to you personally but it does happen. FYI - the Texas grid is connected to the East, West and Mexico grids. We can (and have) transferred power to both Oklahoma and Mexico before. Almost got in trouble for it but the Federal government sided with Texas because we were doing the right thing to help neighbors out when the Eastern Interconnect couldn't fix their issue in a timely manner. (I'm sure these comments are going to stir up a hornet's nest now. ) Oh, yes. Always the need to tell everyone why Texas is so great, even when it is currently a hot mess in many ways. Some objectivity would be helpful. Like he’s been said already, it Texas WAS a separate country, they wouldn’t be seen as a success today. You are missing the point—Texas chose to forgo upgrading their systems to save money (for corporations? For the people? Who actually does benefit?). They have the attitude that “socialism” is bad, yet are totally willing to take money from the federal government to help pay for the results of their mistakes. According to your statement that Texans also it federal taxes, that is true. So do you think it was better to forgo those upgrades and regulations and pay now, with everyone suffering and people dying? Or would it have been better to pay upfront and do what was recommended?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:18:43 GMT
And for transparency sake our electric bill during the hottest months of the summer run about $315 right now. We have one AC unit that I upgraded when we built the house 15 years ago. We also added extra insulation in the walls and attic. We cool about 2600 square feet in a two story home with 9-foot ceilings. We are part of an electric cooperative meaning our electric provider is not in it for the money but for servicing rural areas of the state.
My other, on the other hand, has an 1800 square foot rancher that she updated three years ago with a new AC unit and insulation. She gets her electricity from Oncor (profit based). Her electric bills in the hottest times of summer run at or a little above $300 with talks that this summer bills will be going higher due to this winter storm debacle.
Another reason behind keeping power grids separated - natural disasters and terrorist attacks. Texas gets more than their fair share of weather every year from thunderstorms, tornados, hurricanes, and ice. How would our weather negatively impact our northern neighbors when we have higher power needs during these times? Maintaining our grid isolation protects just as much as it provides.
OK, that's all of the energy novel I have in me to write today because the situation is not black and white, cut and dry. Please keep in mind managing a power grid is not as a simple as one article on CNN makes it look.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:21:06 GMT
Please keep in mind managing a power grid is not as a simple as one article on CNN makes it look. Exactly. Did you see the part above where your info on interconnects to the Western grid were not true? Texas has no interconnection between ERCOT and WECC. Parts of Texas are ON the eastern and western interconnect. But that doesn't mean Texas (i.e., the Texas grid, i.e, ERCOT) has interconnections to the WECC.
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Post by katybee on Feb 19, 2021 15:28:11 GMT
And for transparency sake our electric bill during the hottest months of the summer run about $315 right now. We have one AC unit that I upgraded when we built the house 15 years ago. We also added extra insulation in the walls and attic. We cool about 2600 square feet in a two story home with 9-foot ceilings. We are part of an electric cooperative meaning our electric provider is not in it for the money but for servicing rural areas of the state. My other, on the other hand, has an 1800 square foot rancher that she updated three years ago with a new AC unit and insulation. She gets her electricity from Oncor (profit based). Her electric bills in the hottest times of summer run at or a little above $300 with talks that this summer bills will be going higher due to this winter storm debacle. Another reason behind keeping power grids separated - natural disasters and terrorist attacks. Texas gets more than their fair share of weather every year from thunderstorms, tornados, hurricanes, and ice. How would our weather negatively impact our northern neighbors when we have higher power needs during these times? Maintaining our grid isolation protects just as much as it provides. OK, that's all of the energy novel I have in me to write today because the situation is not black and white, cut and dry. Please keep in mind managing a power grid is not as a simple as one article on CNN makes it look. All I know is we were MINUTES away from a total failure of the grid that would’ve taken weeks, even months to fix (according to ERCOT itself). That is terrifying. If the people in charge cannot make this work, they need to find someone else that can.
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Post by cme37 on Feb 19, 2021 15:28:52 GMT
The first electric bill we received after moving to Texas was close to $600. I cried. I was seriously questioning the move. To this day I have no idea why it was that high. We did move into the house in August and it was blazing hot. It had set empty for two weeks after we closed while we were in the process of moving from St. Louis. The only explanation I can think of is the previous owner set the temp really low and it ran continuously before we moved in. Our summer bills always averaged around $400. I kept the thermostat set to 76. We had the highest electric bills in TX of any other place I have lived. So deregulation did not give me cheap bills. And the property taxes are extremely high too.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 19, 2021 15:37:30 GMT
Another reason behind keeping power grids separated - natural disasters and terrorist attacks. Texas gets more than their fair share of weather every year from thunderstorms, tornados, hurricanes, and ice. How would our weather negatively impact our northern neighbors when we have higher power needs during these times? Maintaining our grid isolation protects just as much as it provides.Texas isn't the only state that gets weather issues, just so you know. Being connected to the grid hasn't done anything significant like this for the rest of the country, has it? it sounds like just fear mongering, that you've bought into. for anyone wondering-- this post is a great example of why people vote the way they do. Because they believe stuff like this when it's told to them over and over. (Just like people kept voting for Joe Arpaio in AZ for YEARS because the retirees were told lies over and over again about how Mexican illegal immigrants wanted to rob and murder them. ...instead of wanting to take care of their yards and do construction, which is much more likely what they WERE/ARE doing.)
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2021 15:37:49 GMT
The $600/month scare comes from the assumption that most Texans, like the state GOP leadership, are living in 6,000 sf McMansions with three air conditioning units keeping the place at 68 all summer. The $600 a month for an average home isn’t a thing here, and I live in MN where it can get freakishly cold at times in the winter and beastly hot in the summer. My house is 3600 SF and we keep it at about 70° year round. Even when our gas and electric isn’t on a budget plan (which many people do to average out their monthly bills to make them more predictable throughout the year), we haven’t yet had a bill over maybe $300 in one month and that’s when it’s been the worst of the worst in winter or summer. Same. There are only a few weeks of the year (if that) where the furnace or AC isn’t on.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 19, 2021 15:57:01 GMT
Well, that’s certainly a *hot take*.🤦🏼♀️ I imagine, that went down about as well as I’d expect with you? 😂 I've given up arguing with idiots on the internet for Lent. This is brilliant. I'm giving this up for Lent as well. I almost lost my mind last night, arguing with people who think the government controls the weather and the energy companies didn't fail TX, it's the government punishing them for wanting to secede. I just can't.
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Post by Just T on Feb 19, 2021 16:07:20 GMT
Another reason behind keeping power grids separated - natural disasters and terrorist attacks. Texas gets more than their fair share of weather every year from thunderstorms, tornados, hurricanes, and ice. How would our weather negatively impact our northern neighbors when we have higher power needs during these times? Maintaining our grid isolation protects just as much as it provides.Texas isn't the only state that gets weather issues, just so you know. Being connected to the grid hasn't done anything significant like this for the rest of the country, has it? it sounds like just fear mongering, that you've bought into. for anyone wondering-- this post is a great example of why people vote the way they do. Because they believe stuff like this when it's told to them over and over. (Just like people kept voting for Joe Arpaio in AZ for YEARS because the retirees were told lies over and over again about how Mexican illegal immigrants wanted to rob and murder them. ...instead of wanting to take care of their yards and do construction, which is much more likely what they WERE/ARE doing.) I love your post. I challenge you, evie, to give me a state that doesn't have severe weather or other issues. There isn't one. I live in Missouri, and we get it all. Tornadoes. Blizzards. Ice storms. 100 degree temps with high humidity. Heck, sometimes we even get the remnants of tropical storms and hurricanes from the Gulf. That happened twice this past summer. I don't claim they are anything like a hurricane, but for us, high winds and torrential rains from the leftovers are not uncommon. My only point is that Texas doesn't have the market on severe weather.
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2021 16:09:29 GMT
Oh, we’ll be asking. Except for Karen in Bumblefart county, who has informed me on Facebook comments that Abbott et al have failed Texas only because they haven’t been *conservative enough.* 🙄 Yep. This is why Texas can't have nice things. Instead of asking those questions above, too many will be asking: Will this elected official if I vote for them: 1. Push my version of my god on the rest of the state, in schools, courthouses, town halls, etc? 2. Keep guns absolutely without any common sense regulations? Registration, training requirements, etc? 3. Keep my taxes as low as possible - even if that means no/low services no/low help for others? God, guns, greed. The favorite 3 questions of too many Texans (and too many GOP voters) Griddy sent DH a warning notice last Friday to put out account on hold with them and pick a month to month retail provider. Good thing, too, because our friend who didn’t see the email has an $8K power bill now just for the last week.
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2021 16:10:34 GMT
Texas isn't the only state that gets weather issues, just so you know. Being connected to the grid hasn't done anything significant like this for the rest of the country, has it? it sounds like just fear mongering, that you've bought into. for anyone wondering-- this post is a great example of why people vote the way they do. Because they believe stuff like this when it's told to them over and over. (Just like people kept voting for Joe Arpaio in AZ for YEARS because the retirees were told lies over and over again about how Mexican illegal immigrants wanted to rob and murder them. ...instead of wanting to take care of their yards and do construction, which is much more likely what they WERE/ARE doing.) I love your post. I challenge you, evie, to give me a state that doesn't have severe weather or other issues. There isn't one. I live in Missouri, and we get it all. Tornadoes. Blizzards. Ice storms. 100 degree temps with high humidity. Heck, sometimes we even get the remnants of tropical storms and hurricanes from the Gulf. That happened twice this past summer. I don't claim they are anything like a hurricane, but for us, high winds and torrential rains from the leftovers are not uncommon. My only point is that Texas doesn't have the market on severe weather. There are a thousand made-up reasons why people will protect the profits of power company owners to their own detriment. It’s ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 16:16:04 GMT
Good thing, too, because our friend who didn’t see the email has an $8K power bill now just for the last week. Yep. Unhedged floating price risk is no issue when things are "normal". But they're bottomless pits when situations are abnormal. That's what you sign up for w/unhedged floating prices. People think they're the shizz when things are going their way - like during the housing crisis. Then they take it in the shorts when "disturbances" come along.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 19, 2021 16:18:08 GMT
One of the main things the myriad of articles about the Texas power that are not being mentioned is a key piece of history. One of the main reasons the power grid in Texas was isolated was to support the war efforts in WWII. Much of the war manufacturing was taking place in Texas. If the major citie of the East and West coasts were attacked the US as a whole would have been seriously SOL. Keeping the Texas grid isolated meant we could keep churning the needed supplies to fight and support our allies during Hilter's rein across Europe. I am trying to find the articles to support this but they are buried with the current repeat of winter storm stories about Texas. As for the rest of country spending billions to help Texas? Texas and Texans pay taxes, too, so that argument is pretty short-sighted. If the rest of the country really wanted to go there then Texas could shut our ports and exports down but that sure would put a dent in everyone's Keto diet, ability to wear cotton t-shirts, fuel their cars, build just about any building, have heavy equipment and parts to maintain what is already in place not to mention what it would do for our national defense and country's technology climate. I'm not for secession but when your state has the 10th largest GDP in the world (in front of Brazil, Canada and South Korea) and it keeps growing then you know you are doing something right that puts things back into the coffers of the entire US in some shape, fashion or form. Yes, we do have friends in northern parts of the US who have exorbitant electric bills when summer hits and their power grids cannot maintain the demands to keep cool. It may not have happened to you personally but it does happen. FYI - the Texas grid is connected to the East, West and Mexico grids. We can (and have) transferred power to both Oklahoma and Mexico before. Almost got in trouble for it but the Federal government sided with Texas because we were doing the right thing to help neighbors out when the Eastern Interconnect couldn't fix their issue in a timely manner. (I'm sure these comments are going to stir up a hornet's nest now. ) I don't know what thread it was here but there but someone showed that TX actually takes more in benefit than it pays in taxes or something to that effect. It jumped out at me b/c my state is #3 in paying in taxes (it's our superpower ) and way down the list on benefiting from it. I agree with what someone else said, you can't have it both ways. You can't forgo doing what needs to be done to beef up your infrastructure then expect billions in aid all so you can keep your utility costs low. My heart absolutely breaks for the people of TX right now. The images/videos make me cry. And hearing about kids, literally, freezing, to death, in their beds, is horrific. I have propane that I purchase once a year, I save up all year so I can get a discount and purchase it for the year. My heat is on 60* regardless of how cold it is outside and I dress in layers. In summer, I don't have $600 electric bills, I'd have a damn stroke. But I also don't put my A/C down super low. It goes low enough where I'm comfortable in a shorts and t-shirt which is typically the 74-76*. Would I like it colder? Absolutely but I'm aware of the cost. I also live in a small 1,200 square foot house. Every time I see the big houses in TX (or anywhere for that matter) my first thought is "OMG what does it cost to heat/cool that place". I've done the week w/out power, in the middle of the winter, when it's zero degrees out. It's not fun and you better believe I was better prepared the next time it happened, and it did happen again. It happened so frequently, I spent over 5+ years saving for a generator and used it 10 months of the first 12 months I had it. Hated paying for it but the peace of mind is priceless. I pray TX holds these companies accountable and demands changes be made. I read somewhere that TX has been having more frequent occurrences of cold weather. Granted, the kook contingent thinks it's the government controlling the weather b/c TX wants to secede, but I think you're going to see this cold weather more and more.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 19, 2021 16:21:52 GMT
I mean, really... has no one in Texas seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow? This is what climate change DOES!! It makes more EXTREME weather. (granted, it's a lot cooler in the movie, because it happens all at once, but still...) More extreme weather = more storms, stronger storms, more frequent storms, strange weather patterns... sound familiar?!?
Just because there's still cold and snow in the north doesn't mean 'global warming' isn't really a thing, no matter what idiot politicians like to say when they're pontificating.
Weather like this shows that changes need to be made-- to the power grid, and to a lot of other things-- because weather like this, although rare over the long-term up till now, will probably happen again much sooner than people would like to think.
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Post by elaine on Feb 19, 2021 16:23:51 GMT
It seems to be that a good portion of Texans have bought into the fear mongering lie that energy prices would be MORE exorbitant if they substantially tied into federal power grids.
They seem to be naive enough to believe that when corporations run the power grids with no regulations that they will “do the right thing” and not charge whatever they want/need to in order to ensure that their bank accounts continue to grow astronomically, to the detriment of the population.
I can’t believe that ANYONE in this day and age believes that big business has the desire and ability to regulate itself (without government regulation) to benefit the masses who depend on their services. We have been shown over and over again that this just isn’t the case. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice (or a hundred times), shame on me. Trickle down economics is an elaborate fantasy that has nothing to do with reality.
Wikipedia already has an entry on this week’s Texas crisis. Just look at what ERCOT, who peddles fear regarding higher energy costs if Texas was connected to the national grid, chose to charge for electricity during the crisis: $9,000 per megawatt-hour.
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Post by elaine on Feb 19, 2021 16:31:11 GMT
I mean, really... has no one in Texas seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow? This is what climate change DOES!! It makes more EXTREME weather. (granted, it's a lot cooler in the movie, because it happens all at once, but still...) More extreme weather = more storms, stronger storms, more frequent storms, strange weather patterns... sound familiar?!? Just because there's still cold and snow in the north doesn't mean 'global warming' isn't really a thing, no matter what idiot politicians like to say when they're pontificating. Weather like this shows that changes need to be made-- to the power grid, and to a lot of other things-- because weather like this, although rare over the long-term up till now, will probably happen again much sooner than people would like to think. I wish that scientists had chosen to call it “climate change” rather than “global warming” from the start. Because the term “global warming” is what science deniers like to glom onto and point at snow, when it happens, to “prove” that global warming/climate change isn’t happening. They refuse to understand that climate change means that all sorts of previously atypical weather patterns will happen with increasing frequency. I know that scientists first studying the climate changes occurring never imagined the stubbornness with which their findings would be met. But, in little minds, it is harder to dispute “climate change” than it is to dispute “global warming.”
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Post by katybee on Feb 19, 2021 16:50:14 GMT
I mean, really... has no one in Texas seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow? This is what climate change DOES!! It makes more EXTREME weather. (granted, it's a lot cooler in the movie, because it happens all at once, but still...) More extreme weather = more storms, stronger storms, more frequent storms, strange weather patterns... sound familiar?!? Just because there's still cold and snow in the north doesn't mean 'global warming' isn't really a thing, no matter what idiot politicians like to say when they're pontificating. Weather like this shows that changes need to be made-- to the power grid, and to a lot of other things-- because weather like this, although rare over the long-term up till now, will probably happen again much sooner than people would like to think. I wish that scientists had chosen to call it “climate change” rather than “global warming” from the start. Because the term “global warming” is what science deniers like to glom onto and point at snow, when it happens, to “prove” that global warming/climate change isn’t happening. They refuse to understand that climate change means that all sorts of previously atypical weather patterns will happen with increasing frequency. I know that scientists first studying the climate changes occurring never imagined the stubbornness with which their findings would be met. But, in little minds, it is harder to dispute “climate change” than it is to dispute “global warming.” They had it right. It is an overall warming of the earth’s temperature that is causing the climate change. They just never imagined that people would ignore and discount the science so they wouldn’t have to make any kind of sacrifice or lifestyle change—no matter how minor. We are inherently selfish.
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Post by elaine on Feb 19, 2021 16:54:48 GMT
I wish that scientists had chosen to call it “climate change” rather than “global warming” from the start. Because the term “global warming” is what science deniers like to glom onto and point at snow, when it happens, to “prove” that global warming/climate change isn’t happening. They refuse to understand that climate change means that all sorts of previously atypical weather patterns will happen with increasing frequency. I know that scientists first studying the climate changes occurring never imagined the stubbornness with which their findings would be met. But, in little minds, it is harder to dispute “climate change” than it is to dispute “global warming.” They had it right. It is an overall warming of the earth’s temperature that is causing the climate change. They just never imagined that people would ignore and discount the science so they wouldn’t have to make any kind of sacrifice or lifestyle change—no matter how minor. We are inherently selfish. Yes, I know and understand this. 😀 My point is that it is easier for the unbelievers and just-don’t-care-as-long-as-I-get-mine to dispute the term “global warming.”
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 19, 2021 17:24:51 GMT
Good thing, too, because our friend who didn’t see the email has an $8K power bill now just for the last week. Yep. Unhedged floating price risk is no issue when things are "normal". But they're bottomless pits when situations are abnormal. That's what you sign up for w/unhedged floating prices. People think they're the shizz when things are going their way - like during the housing crisis. Then they take it in the shorts when "disturbances" come along. Honestly some of these power companies seem to operate taking a big old leaf out of the Enron playbook.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 18:39:54 GMT
the Texas grid is connected to the East, West and Mexico grids. The Texas grid has flea power connections to the East and Mexico. See those tiny MW numbers? Then remember that ERCOT's peak load was above 70,000 MW There are no interconnects to the West. But parts of west Texas are on the western interconnect (El Paso). That is still not "connected" to ERCOT. This is a basic premise of pulling a graphic from a website without knowing how power generation and transmission work. You can't just lob MW's of power to another grid without melting the connector and transmission lines. There is a series of steps that has to be taken to safely carry power from point A to point B and this graphic doesn't explain do anything but lead to many wrong assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 18:43:18 GMT
As my last comment on this subject I'm going to put this article from CNN right here and highlight these paragraphs: Although utilities in the northern United States are better prepared than Texas for cold weather, they have their own vulnerabilities to heat waves and other extreme weather events that are likely to become more common, said Michael Webber, a professor of energy resources at the University of Texas at Austin.
But even having multiple states tied together on a wider grid cannot prevent power problems caused by extreme weather. Although the outages were most severe in Texas, with as many as 4.5 million customers losing power, some 400,000 customers in Louisiana and Oklahoma were without power as a result of the storm, even though those states are tied to the national grid.
And it's not just cold that's posing a threat. Last summer's heat wave and wild fires in California caused a series of rolling blackouts across the state. A study by authorities there concluded that the system was not prepared to meet the increased demand for electricity caused by climate change.www.cnn.com/2021/02/19/business/texas-electrical-grid-warning-to-other-states/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 19:09:04 GMT
There is a series of steps that has to be taken to safely carry power from point A to point B and this graphic doesn't explain do anything but lead to many wrong assumptions. Nope. I never said anything about "lobbing" and these pictures show the current state of the grids in the US. I was merely using them to call out your mistake that the Texas Grid (i.e. the ERCOT market operator) is NOT connected to WECC.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 19, 2021 20:09:58 GMT
Summarized from Twitter feed of James Talarico: “Texans must ask their *elected leaders* these 4 questions: 1. Why is our grid not winterized? 2. Why are we disconnected from the national grid? 3. Why does our energy system put profits over people 4. Why are we ignoring climate change?” -James Talarico Oh, we’ll be asking. Except for Karen in Bumblefart county, who has informed me on Facebook comments that Abbott et al have failed Texas only because they haven’t been *conservative enough.* 🙄 Lol I think I have seen similar comments here to. I’m hoping this wakes them up and others can learn from this. No one should have to go through what they have but then I have seen comments from those with no power or water supporting their government snd thinking it’s someone else’s fault. I saw one person saying that the government did this on purpose but their rant didn’t make any sense.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 19, 2021 23:46:15 GMT
The first electric bill we received after moving to Texas was close to $600. I cried. I was seriously questioning the move. To this day I have no idea why it was that high. We did move into the house in August and it was blazing hot. It had set empty for two weeks after we closed while we were in the process of moving from St. Louis. The only explanation I can think of is the previous owner set the temp really low and it ran continuously before we moved in. Our summer bills always averaged around $400. I kept the thermostat set to 76. We had the highest electric bills in TX of any other place I have lived. So deregulation did not give me cheap bills. And the property taxes are extremely high too. I think Texans have been sold a bill of goods. I’m not so sure how all of the avoidance of proper upgrades & such helped than because your bills are outrageous to me. Completely outrageous. My worst month of combined gas & electric ( since we use both for heat ) was $168 and I do not get averaged or equalized billing. My normal combined gas/electric bills are between $80-100 and that’s with 2 single pane inefficient 1970 sliding doors. My lowest combined bill was $58. When I had a whole house to heat and cool our averaged or equal pay bill was $140/month, so I’m not sure how foregoing the regulations and being on your own grid is helping y'all much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 6:29:51 GMT
"Top board leaders of Texas’ embattled power grid operator said Tuesday they will resign following outrage over more than 4 million customers losing electricity last week during a deadly winter storm, including many whose frigid homes lacked heat for days in subfreezing temperatures. The resignations are the first since the crisis began in Texas, and calls for wider firings remain in the aftermath of one of the worst power outages in U.S. history. All of the four board directors who are stepping down, including Chairwoman Sally Talberg, live outside of Texas, which only intensified criticism of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas. The resignations are effective Wednesday — a day before Texas lawmakers are expected to sharply question grid managers and energy officials about the failures during hearings at the state Capitol. A fifth board member also resigned, and a candidate for a director position who also does not live in Texas withdrew his name." www.politico.com/news/2021/02/23/board-leaders-of-texas-grid-operator-resign-after-outages-471202
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Post by redrulz on Feb 24, 2021 11:40:05 GMT
Was it all ERCOTs fault? Based on what my husband and I have been talking about (he used to work for a power generation company and dealt with ERCOT quite a bit and I have supported various big energy customers over the past 20 years) ERCOT is the one taking the blame. The power generation companies failed fabulously on this one because they did not test their backup/bad weather measures as robustly as they could. Then again even though everything was in place how does one do a stress test on a system for subfreezing temperature variations like we've experienced this week? Yes, this week has sucked. Monumentally. Other areas of the country have been having rolling blackouts during this storm too. Oklahoma, Kansas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and New Mexico.If you look at the worst power outages in the history of the US since 1965 Texas have never been listed. We need to step very carefully here on what we as Texas residents want. If we want to tie into the national grid then I'm sure Federal regulation is part of the deal. Get ready for $600 monthly electric bills in the summer. I know many won't agree with me and I'm not interested in debating/defending my position. Having an insider's view of how the Texas electrical grid works, why it was setup the way it is, and the amount of money it would cost to fully weatherize our ~680 power plants plus 100,000 wind turbines leads me to take all of the demands by people for ERCOTs head with a big grain of salt. So the rest of the country should spend billions to help Texas when things like this happen, so you can have lower utility costs than the rest of us? And FYI, we don’t pay $600 a month for electricity any time of the year. I guess socialism is okay when they need help? If I remember correctly, Texas doesn't have state income tax, right? How is Texas going to help out when they don't have income?
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