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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 14:00:54 GMT
Either Woody molested her or Mia coached Dylan and convinced her of the abuse as a young child. Dylan is a victim & her life has been destroyed no matter which version is the truth.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 16, 2021 14:22:32 GMT
This seems to be a very complex family situation at best. I can't believe you are defending that freak. Who am I defending? I think he is a creep. I was referring more to Mia's parenting. It seems that people have mixed feelings about her--some see her as odd, crazy, an abuser, etc. It's pretty clear that they have a complicated family history, which is what I said.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 16, 2021 14:42:18 GMT
It seems that people have mixed feelings about her--some see her as odd, crazy, an abuser, etc. It's pretty clear that they have a complicated family history, which is what I said. You are lumping them in together as equally dysfunctional, which dilutes what he's done. Why is Mia's parenting even a factor in discussing what he did? What he did should be judged on it's own...no "but Mia, but Dylan" It's just a different version of asking a rape victim is she had been drinking or was wearing a short skirt. Just look at what he did and what he continues to do and stop muddying the waters in his favour by turning on the child's mother.
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 16, 2021 14:45:02 GMT
Either Woody molested her or Mia coached Dylan and convinced her of the abuse as a young child. Dylan is a victim & her life has been destroyed no matter which version is the truth. I think Dylan was a victim of sexual abuse, and as awful as that is, I don’t think her life was destroyed by it. I watched the documentary and it appears to me that she is a strong, confident woman. She has a supportive husband and a beautiful child. I think it means a lot to her that her brother Rowan has come out in support of her. I think she was a strong child too. She told her story over and over (something no child should ever have to do) and her story never changed, even when it was challenged by adults.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 16, 2021 15:18:18 GMT
It seems that people have mixed feelings about her--some see her as odd, crazy, an abuser, etc. It's pretty clear that they have a complicated family history, which is what I said. You are lumping them in together as equally dysfunctional, which dilutes what he's done. Why is Mia's parenting even a factor in discussing what he did? What he did should be judged on it's own...no "but Mia, but Dylan" It's just a different version of asking a rape victim is she had been drinking or was wearing a short skirt. Just look at what he did and what he continues to do and stop muddying the waters in his favour by turning on the child's mother. Give me a break. That is not even close to what I said.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 16, 2021 15:26:10 GMT
least one of the kids said that Mia was abusive She sexually molested them? Please quote the source for that. No where did Red accuse Mia of sexual abuse. She made a statement that at least one child said Mia was abusive. There's a huge difference.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 16, 2021 15:43:30 GMT
She made a statement that at least one child said Mia was abusive. Clearly I said Allen was a child molester and it was countered with "well Mia was abusive too" Seeing as the topic was sexual abuse then no other type of abuse is relevant to this discussion. I want to know what sort of "abuse" others see as being equal to sexually molesting your own 4yo daughter, or having sex with your partner's daughter and then leaving the nude photos out for your partner to find. How does what Mia's parenting of any other child matter if it wasn't sexual abuse?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 16, 2021 15:48:40 GMT
She made a statement that at least one child said Mia was abusive. Clearly I said Allen was a child molester and it was countered with "well Mia was abusive too" Seeing as the topic was sexual abuse then no other type of abuse is relevant to this discussion. I want to know what sort of "abuse" others see as being equal to sexually molesting your own 4yo daughter, or having sex with your partner's daughter and then leaving the nude photos out for your partner to find. How does what Mia's parenting of any other child matter if it wasn't sexual abuse? I haven't seen the documentary yet, but my understanding is that it is about their family--Mia is a part of that. Also, over the years her role in the family, the custody battle, and allegations that she was physically abusive have been part of what was discussed in the media, so it is natural that would be discussed here as well. That in no way minimizes what WA has done. If anything, people are trying to hold Mia accountable as well.
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Post by NanaKate on Mar 16, 2021 15:50:17 GMT
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Post by pjaye on Mar 16, 2021 15:58:55 GMT
Also, over the years her role in the family, the custody battle, and allegations that she was physically abusive have been part of what was discussed in the media, Because that's what Allen put out there in the media - that IS the problem, that women are buying into this bullshit put out there by wealthy and powerful men. It's Epstein & Weinstein & Lauer etc etc. That's what they do. They shove the blame on to women, other women, the victims...anyone to take the focus off themselves and they hope it will stick and get them off the hook...and it's obviously still working. We've had so many very big very public examples and we're still going back to "Oh...I don't think Mia is sane either" Unbelievable. Yeah sure, Mia is the problem...that's our take away here?
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 16, 2021 16:18:09 GMT
Also, over the years her role in the family, the custody battle, and allegations that she was physically abusive have been part of what was discussed in the media, Because that's what Allen put out there in the media - that IS the problem, that women are buying into this bullshit put out there by wealthy and powerful men. It's Epstein & Weinstein & Lauer etc etc. That's what they do. They shove the blame on to women, other women, the victims...anyone to take the focus off themselves and they hope it will stick and get them off the hook...and it's obviously still working. We've had so many very big very public examples and we're still going back to "Oh...I don't think Mia is sane either" Unbelievable. Yeah sure, Mia is the problem...that's our take away here? Can’t they BOTH be the problem?
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 16, 2021 16:29:23 GMT
He makes a lot of assumptions about how victims should behave and does a lot of judging of his sister based on those assumptions. He seems to have his own issues with his sister and mother outside of the sexual abuse allegations. His assumptions about Victim behavior are just flat wrong.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 16, 2021 16:39:14 GMT
Can’t they BOTH be the problem? No.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 16, 2021 16:41:07 GMT
Nope. He's just creepy and she seems odd at times. However, I do believe her son (the journalist) is probably Frank Sinatra's son rather than Woody's. OMG I learn so many (rumors?) on 2peas. yeah, that's a (rumor) that's been floated around for many years.
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Post by catck on Mar 16, 2021 17:14:36 GMT
Well I watched it and thought it was good. WA came over as such a creep and IMO Dylan was very believable even at a young age she never wavered from her story. Was glad to see that she is now happily married with a beautiful daughter. Love Ronan's accent could listen to him speak all day!!
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 16, 2021 17:44:14 GMT
Moses seems to be saying that Dylan is not telling the truth because there was no train in the attic. However, there was a train in the attic according to a police sketch made at the time of the investigation. NYT Recap
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valincal
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Post by valincal on Mar 16, 2021 17:47:54 GMT
Addressed in the documentary.
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Post by questioning on Mar 16, 2021 18:05:19 GMT
Either Woody molested her or Mia coached Dylan and convinced her of the abuse as a young child. Dylan is a victim & her life has been destroyed no matter which version is the truth. I hate to describe anyone as destroyed, it's not fair to those who fight to overcome their abuse. I agree with your point though - she was victimized and her life was altered by one or both.
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Post by questioning on Mar 16, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
I started watching it this morning. I read in an interview with Amy Ziering (director / producer) that the series goes beyond this case. It begins to examine appreciation of artists generating quality work or ideas while being awful people. Applicable to other fields too.
As far as Woody Allen goes, I don't like his films. I understand his humor, I just don't like it. And the Soon-Yi Previn affair grosses me out.
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Post by beebee on Mar 16, 2021 18:23:32 GMT
Can’t they BOTH be the problem? No. Pjaye, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this....why not?
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Post by travelsoul on Mar 16, 2021 18:38:06 GMT
To be honest, I didn’t have any interest in watching until reading this post. I really don’t know much about the situation at all. I was a fan of some of his movies, one of his movies was even in my top 5 favorites, but then a friend told me he married his adopted daughter and he wasn’t a good person. I hadn’t given it much thought or have watched any of his movies since then.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 16, 2021 18:45:29 GMT
I might watch it, but will do it from the bias that WA is guilty AF.
I do think he was protected by a bigger celebrity PR machine at the time and, if nothing else, making a documentary like this educates a couple more generations on who he is. And hopefully actors and producers will have a good hard think over whether they want to be associated with him going forward.
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Post by h2ohdog on Mar 16, 2021 18:53:18 GMT
It was well done. I grew up idolizing WA because of his films.
When the allegations came out way back, I believed them. This doc helped me understand the bigger picture of what money and power did in this situation, which I hadn’t understood before.
WA is scum.
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Post by NanaKate on Mar 16, 2021 19:15:33 GMT
Addressed in the documentary. I am aware. I am also aware that several children can be raised in the same home by the same parents and have very different versions of what went on in that house. I find Moses blog post very interesting and thought others might as well.
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Post by NanaKate on Mar 16, 2021 19:18:20 GMT
Moses seems to be saying that Dylan is not telling the truth because there was no train in the attic. However, there was a train in the attic according to a police sketch made at the time of the investigation. NYT RecapYes! I caught that, too 🤷♂️
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Post by NanaKate on Mar 16, 2021 19:21:45 GMT
He makes a lot of assumptions about how victims should behave and does a lot of judging of his sister based on those assumptions. He seems to have his own issues with his sister and mother outside of the sexual abuse allegations. His assumptions about Victim behavior are just flat wrong. I agree that he definitely seems to have his own issues with Mia and Dylan. He is now a family and adoption counselor himself from what I read about him this morning. I find it interesting that he chose to go into that line of work considering his family issues and background.
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Post by peabay on Mar 16, 2021 19:25:58 GMT
To be honest, I didn’t have any interest in watching until reading this post. I really don’t know much about the situation at all. I was a fan of some of his movies, one of his movies was even in my top 5 favorites, but then a friend told me he married his adopted daughter and he wasn’t a good person. I hadn’t given it much thought or have watched any of his movies since then. Soon-yi was never adopted by him - just to keep it factual. But in saying that, I should make it clear I'm on Team Mia all the way and find him (despite my appreciation of some of his films) to be an absolute cretin.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 16, 2021 19:38:28 GMT
Pjaye, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this....why not? I think I've covered my reasoning quite well in my previous posts. It's 2021, the era of #metoo and I thought we all knew by now that women are not responsible for the sexual crimes that men commit. Mia was NOT involved in the abuse in anyway, so any discussion of her parenting skills or her "sanity" is irrelevant when we are discussing what he did That's how men have got away with it for so long and will continue to, as long as they can shift the focus away from what they did. When someone says "Mia abused another child (not clarifying with that means and hinting that it was also sexual) " or "Mia isn't exactly sane"...the focus shifts away from the man who sexually abused a 4yo and also groomed & has an ongoing sexual relationship with her sister. Every time this gets brought up and someone says "but Mia..." it's a win for him.
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Post by beebee on Mar 16, 2021 20:25:24 GMT
Pjaye, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this....why not? I think I've covered my reasoning quite well in my previous posts. It's 2021, the era of #metoo and I thought we all knew by now that women are not responsible for the sexual crimes that men commit. Mia was NOT involved in the abuse in anyway, so any discussion of her parenting skills or her "sanity" is irrelevant when we are discussing what he did That's how men have got away with it for so long and will continue to, as long as they can shift the focus away from what they did. When someone says "Mia abused another child (not clarifying with that means and hinting that it was also sexual) " or "Mia isn't exactly sane"...the focus shifts away from the man who sexually abused a 4yo and also groomed & has an ongoing sexual relationship with her sister. Every time this gets brought up and someone says "but Mia..." it's a win for him. Yes, I heard you on all that and in general, I agree with you. I guess I am just confused as to why you can't see that both parents might possibly have an abuse problem. In general, I would dismiss the press accounts because WA had the power and he clearly wanted to destroy Mia It's harder for me to dismiss the son's account though. Thanks for answering,
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 17, 2021 15:41:44 GMT
omg I watced it yesterday and I'm just apalled at the entire saga. If anyone is hesitating to watch, it really is about so much more than the actual act. Its a well done documentary about how the media, Hollywood, the city of NY covered for this horrible powerful man. Shows how they absolutely manipulated the press into making Mia look unhinged and vengeful. Some of those fake stories about her are popping up on this very thread.
Just so much to unpack here. This deserves an Oscar. I'm really curious to see if it even gets nominated. Kind of speechless this morning about it.
Many years ago I was in one of those '80's style touchy feely corporate training team building sessions and one of the excercises in this huge room of like 50 of us was to go around the room and share your favorite and least favorite movie. Almost everyone said they hate all Halloween type slasher movies. When they got to young me I said I hated all Woody Allen movies because he came off like a total perv (always a creepy old man with a hot mostly younger woman) and there was a collective gasp. I heard people whispering 'oh my God I LOVE Woody Allen!' and I remember feeling very inferior and unsophisticated.
And I loved the way they showed all the footage of people backing this creep, even after the Soon Yi thing. I used to love Meryl Streep until I saw her giving a standing ovation for Roman Polanski.There is no way you can watch this and think this guy is innocent, and I'm glad to see many people now standing up and supporting Mia and her daughter. Its so messed up.
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