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Post by dewryce on Mar 15, 2021 19:55:59 GMT
My son will be 18 this December. We could not afford Driver’s Ed, so we decided to just have him get his license when he turns 18. He studied and passed the written exam to get his driving permit a year ago, and we have taken him out driving about once or twice a week. Lately he hasn’t wanted to go driving, because it scares him a little...he still doesn’t want to go onto the highway yet and just feels that fear of being in control of a giant machine. He’s a shy and quiet kid and I think he lacks some self confidence behind the wheel. Now we have some extra money from the stimulus and I’m trying to decide whether it would be beneficial or a waste of time and money to enroll him in a driving school. It’s around 30 hours of class time and 5 hours of driving with an instructor. Do any of you have teens that were apprehensive drivers? Should I enroll him, or let him wait until he feels more ready? He does want to go to college when he graduates in 2022, and will need a job soon too. Since his 18th birthday is this year I could just take him out driving more with me and try to help him get over his fears, and get his license any time after his birthday. But I’m wondering if another adult besides a parent taking him driving would help. (Plus, we haven’t had any super close calls or anything and he is a good driver so far, though it’s hard to hide how nerve wracking it feels to be in the car with your inexperienced teen driving it! 😆 I do my best!) Any insights from you who have older kids? Or maybe experiences from when you learned to drive? Thank you! ☺️ 🚙 He just needs a ton of hours in the driver’s seat. Do either you or your husband make him more nervous? Ask him if there is any adult (like parents, aunts/uncle, family friend) he would feel more comfortable with and have them drive with him occasionally if they can swing it. But personally, I’d just get him behind the wheel as often as possible, a nervous driver doesn’t seem safe. Need something from the corner store? He drives. Grocery store? He drives. After school activity? He drives. Family trip to Granma’s? He drives. As many different situations as possible (different people in the car, type of road, length of drive, weather conditions). Then, after he has gained confidence, I might enroll him in the school. But no way would I’d have him get a license until he was a confident and safe driver. I got my license at 17 and I was not qualified to be on the road. I needed a lot more time behind the wheel and I’m lucky I didn’t hurt anyone.
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Post by iowgirl on Mar 15, 2021 20:17:45 GMT
You will be shocked to know that it is $370!! YIKES! I know it did not cost anywhere near that, if it cost anything at all here in our district. I am still thinking it did not cost me anything. This would have been in the 2007-2011 time frame, so I am sure things change I'm pretty sure they had to take Driver's Ed, in order to get their school permit to drive at age 14.5. They also got a good insurance discount - but the insurance didn't really go up on them until they turned 16. But school permits were at the Superintendent's discretion. For a long time, they wouldn't sign off on a school permit if you lived within a mile of the school. I think they sign off on them all now, if you pass Drivers Ed. My kids were all able to take college level/credit classes through our school district at no cost to us at all. No book fee, no 'credit hour' fee - nothing. All three of my kids went into Iowa State as sophomores, and had all their Gen Ed classes done and more. This was a pretty major cost savings on the tuition bills for us. It did not count to their cumulative GPA though - so they had to work hard to keep that up high. Since the 'easy' classes for them were done. One kids' first math class in college (Engineering major) was Calc 3. Another one didn't have to take any math classes at all, since he had completed all the college level math he needed, in high school (non math/STEM college major).
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:13:44 GMT
Check and see if you can just do the driving part. I know the driving school the boys went to allowed that. The driving with the instructor was 100% worth it. It was those 6 hours that gave my kids the final push toward being comfortable driving. Also, it gives a discount on their insurance. I didn’t know that might be a possibility, I’ll look into that!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:15:00 GMT
My daughter didn’t want to drive. We used a small driving school & the owner was a prior DMV test driver. They spent 40 hours together driving. Made all the difference in the world to her confidence behind the wheel. Highly recommend! Wow, 40 hours, that’s awesome!!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:17:07 GMT
He studied and passed the written exam to get his driving permit a year ago, and we have taken him out driving about once or twice a week. How long is his permit valid? DS was finally motivated to book his test when I pointed out that his permit was going to expire in 5 weeks and the testing appointments were booked up for the next 4 weeks. His fear of having to go through the permit application again was stronger than his driving anxiety. I highly recommend lessons with a professional. IME, they take the kids on and off the highway way before I would have and the kids did just fine. I’m pretty sure it’s valid for one year and we can renew twice. After reading all these responses I think I’m going to sign him up for the lessons!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:19:11 GMT
When my son was in high school, his Driver's ed teacher told the kids they were driving a weapon that could kill someone. My kid with anxiety (takes meds) decided he would never drive because he did not want to hurt someone. He will turn 25 in May. Still refuses to drive. I have offered to pay for driving practice for people with anxiety. Won’t even discuss it. I wish you luck. Thank you! That’s pretty much word for word what my son said about driving a car... it’s a weapon that could kill someone. He has some anxiety in general but not too bad, except for with driving. He’s willing to do the classes, so we’ll see what happens!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:21:21 GMT
If you can afford driving school, then sure. The best way to get a kid to get over the anxiety of it is to make it a daily occurrence. Trips to the store, a random drive through the neighborhood, etc. Ask them how they want input. My son has add and needed a good 10 seconds between my instructions and the action for him to process what I said. Loads of praise about the good bits- “I like how smoothly you took that turn.” I didn’t keep hammering at the things that needed improvement. Building confidence is just as important as teaching the skills. Yes, I love the approach you had with your son! Mine also needs time to process what I say before he can act. I’m hoping if I enroll him in the driving school, he’ll get an instructor who is patient and encouraging, like you! Building confidence is so important.
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:24:52 GMT
Our son was the same way. I made him drive whenever he was in the car. It helped a lot to just get used to driving familiar roads and to already know the route. I mostly forced him into getting his license his senior year, but also promised that he didn't need to drive on his own often. But that it would be good if there was ever an emergency. He got his license in August and a month later, our carpool for school fell apart. Another mom had my kids in her car without enough seatbelts for everyone and didn't give them the choice to get out before she drove off. We dropped out of the carpool by 8am and DS decided to drive them to school the next day. It was all right turns, he could stay in the right lane, and he did great. He drove that route for the next year. He wasn't super comfortable about driving other places, but quickly realized the freedom he had with being able to drive himself. I did impose a family rule that he couldn't drive with anyone else other than DD for 6 months and that helped with fewer distractions. Even at 24 he doesn't love to drive, but will do what he needs to do. That’s great to hear the progress your son has made! I’m also leaning towards making him get his license (he’s not opposed to getting it, he’s just nervous about driving), just so that he has time to practice and get confident before he goes off to college. Then if he decides he’d rather bike, walk, take the bus, or whatever, that’s fine- but at least he’ll have the option! Those family rules sound like a fantastic idea too!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:29:39 GMT
My son has high functioning autism. He passed easily the classroom instruction. But he had terrible nerves driving on the road. He drove on a permit for 2 years. Finally, my mom started dating a retired teacher who spends his retirement years teaching people to drive. My son went driving with him for a few months and got over his fear. I would not pay for classroom instruction for a kid who can easily pass the test and knows the traffic laws. But I would absolutely pay for more drive time with the instructor until your child feels comfortable. My son is a great and safe driver now. And the comfort he felt and the instruction he got from a real driving instructor was much better than the bundles of nerves that is mom sitting next to him. I’d love to look into just paying for the driving hours! My son easily passed the written part too, and doesn’t really need to review all of that in my opinion since it was so recently that he learned it. Having someone else take him driving would really help him, I think!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:38:37 GMT
My almost 23 yo DD has terrible anxiety (on meds for anxiety and ADHD) about driving and still has not gotten her license. I think we need to find a therapist that deals with driving anxiety before enrolling in driving school. Having seen one of her panic attacks from just a short drive, pretty sure a regular instructor wouldn't help. Not to derail the OP, but any idea how to go about finding someone like that? That sounds so difficult! I deal with anxiety too. For almost a year when I was younger I would have a panic attack if I had to drive over railroad tracks (my old car had died right on top of tracks when a train was coming, far off in the distance)... I would take certain routes to avoid them if I could, or else I would hyperventilate, cry, and freeze up. Maybe you could just start calling different therapists who work with anxiety and see if they’ve dealt with issues like your daughter has before. Or call driving schools and ask them, they may know a specific therapist or have an instructor who is great with anxious drivers, or something? I wish you and your daughter luck!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 21:45:10 GMT
DS wasn't a super timid driver, but I wanted him to have as much time behind the wheel as possible before he went out there alone. When I grew up, kids could get permits at age 14 to drive with a parent. That is not legal in CT, but I took him out to deserted large parking lots in our town starting at that age. We did a lot of slow driving forwards, slow reversing, circles, turning and parking. Once he was legally able to get a permit, we enrolled him in drivers' ed and I consider it money well spent, not just for the insurance savings. I also did a lot of driving around town with him at the wheel. As an added bonus, this was a great time for mother-son bonding. I think postponing it won't help. The way to get over fears is to challenge them, not avoid them and watch them magnify. I would say that if you get very nervous driving with your son, I would definitely enroll him in DE. A parent losing their shit on the road isn't a great way to start. I lose my shit at little things but am strangely calm about stuff like this. I can only really recall two incidents that were hair-raising, and only hit the invisible brakes a few times. However, that ratio of classroom time and behind the wheel time seems disproportionate. Maybe I just can't remember four years ago, but it seems he had more driving time than that. Good luck! Oh, I would get one of those Student Driver signs off Amazon. The worst experience of all was the tailgaters who were really insufferable. And we were doing the speed limit. The sign seemed to moderate the tailgating, or at least helped people understand why we had the nerve to do just the speed limit. I agree, postponing it would probably not be good. I am really calm in the car riding with him- outwardly. Inside I am freaking out! LOL. He hasn’t given me any reason to be scared, it’s just so odd having my kid in charge of the car and not me. I think I’ll look into just paying for driving hours, if they do that, since he already studied and passed the knowledge test- no need to spend 30 hours reviewing all of that, especially as he’s already a busy person. I did get one of the Student Driver magnets off Amazon- sometimes it seems to help, and other times I think it makes people even more impatient! Overall I think it’s a good idea to use, though!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 22:02:09 GMT
My son will be 18 this December. We could not afford Driver’s Ed, so we decided to just have him get his license when he turns 18. He studied and passed the written exam to get his driving permit a year ago, and we have taken him out driving about once or twice a week. Lately he hasn’t wanted to go driving, because it scares him a little...he still doesn’t want to go onto the highway yet and just feels that fear of being in control of a giant machine. He’s a shy and quiet kid and I think he lacks some self confidence behind the wheel. Now we have some extra money from the stimulus and I’m trying to decide whether it would be beneficial or a waste of time and money to enroll him in a driving school. It’s around 30 hours of class time and 5 hours of driving with an instructor. Do any of you have teens that were apprehensive drivers? Should I enroll him, or let him wait until he feels more ready? He does want to go to college when he graduates in 2022, and will need a job soon too. Since his 18th birthday is this year I could just take him out driving more with me and try to help him get over his fears, and get his license any time after his birthday. But I’m wondering if another adult besides a parent taking him driving would help. (Plus, we haven’t had any super close calls or anything and he is a good driver so far, though it’s hard to hide how nerve wracking it feels to be in the car with your inexperienced teen driving it! 😆 I do my best!) Any insights from you who have older kids? Or maybe experiences from when you learned to drive? Thank you! ☺️ 🚙 He just needs a ton of hours in the driver’s seat. Do either you or your husband make him more nervous? Ask him if there is any adult (like parents, aunts/uncle, family friend) he would feel more comfortable with and have them drive with him occasionally if they can swing it. But personally, I’d just get him behind the wheel as often as possible, a nervous driver doesn’t seem safe. Need something from the corner store? He drives. Grocery store? He drives. After school activity? He drives. Family trip to Granma’s? He drives. As many different situations as possible (different people in the car, type of road, length of drive, weather conditions). Then, after he has gained confidence, I might enroll him in the school. But no way would I’d have him get a license until he was a confident and safe driver. I got my license at 17 and I was not qualified to be on the road. I needed a lot more time behind the wheel and I’m lucky I didn’t hurt anyone. Thanks for your input! I don’t think we make him more nervous, as we are both pretty relaxed and calm and not likely to make a huge deal about anything (though I may be screaming on the inside, haha!). I don’t really have any other family or friends nearby who he can go driving with. Probably just our presence there as his parents makes him more nervous than he would be with an instructor. However, he’s pretty shy, so being with a stranger might be a bit scary too. I definitely want to build his confidence as a driver before he gets his license, I don’t think it would be safe otherwise! It’s going to take lots and lots of practice, like you said. Part of the issue right now is that he’s scared to go over 25, and if we go anywhere like school, groceries, grandmas house, etc.- he has to go at least 35 to get there. So we’ve been staying close to home until he is willing to drive faster, but there’s not much besides residential areas. It limits the different driving experiences he’s getting and is also really boring, but he is good at it!
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Post by melly on Mar 15, 2021 22:07:53 GMT
You will be shocked to know that it is $370!! YIKES! I know it did not cost anywhere near that, if it cost anything at all here in our district. I am still thinking it did not cost me anything. This would have been in the 2007-2011 time frame, so I am sure things change I'm pretty sure they had to take Driver's Ed, in order to get their school permit to drive at age 14.5. They also got a good insurance discount - but the insurance didn't really go up on them until they turned 16. But school permits were at the Superintendent's discretion. For a long time, they wouldn't sign off on a school permit if you lived within a mile of the school. I think they sign off on them all now, if you pass Drivers Ed. My kids were all able to take college level/credit classes through our school district at no cost to us at all. No book fee, no 'credit hour' fee - nothing. All three of my kids went into Iowa State as sophomores, and had all their Gen Ed classes done and more. This was a pretty major cost savings on the tuition bills for us. It did not count to their cumulative GPA though - so they had to work hard to keep that up high. Since the 'easy' classes for them were done. One kids' first math class in college (Engineering major) was Calc 3. Another one didn't have to take any math classes at all, since he had completed all the college level math he needed, in high school (non math/STEM college major). Here, the cheapest drivers ed class I could find is $495! That place has terrible reviews though, and the next lowest place is $565. They do not offer it at school any more like they did when I was a teen! My son is also in a bunch of “college in the high school” and AP classes, and it is $200 per credit if you want it to be counted as college credit. Having a teen is more expensive than I thought it would be and we haven’t even gotten to the car/insurance/college part yet! 😳😆
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Post by leannec on Mar 15, 2021 22:25:31 GMT
Both of my dd's did private lessons and passed their driving tests on the first try Their lessons were all on the road ... it was awesome ... no classtime ... I don't know if it is different in Canada which is where I live I definitely recommend lessons
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 16, 2021 2:47:39 GMT
Can you imagine spending the rest of your life avoiding driving because it scares you? In most cases, people need to know how to drive. It sounds like money well spent.
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