milocat
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Post by milocat on Apr 6, 2021 14:03:02 GMT
If you didn't see the video the way she was saying "clean my toilets" and the way she said this whole thing "No, sis,” she continues, “literally everything I do in my life is to live a life that most people can’t relate to. Most people won’t work as hard. Most people won’t get up at 4am” (to do what, she doesn’t say). “Most people won’t fail publicly, again and again, just to reach the top of the mountain. Literally every woman I admire in history was unrelatable.” Then she sneers, “if my life is relatable to most people, I’m doing it wrong." I wanted to punch her in her snotty face. I'm inrelateable, clean my toilets because I work too hard to that crap anymore was her attitude. Yeah because your house cleaner isn't working hard or getting up at 4am. No one needs to apologize for having house cleaners, or any extra help, but to be civil and respectful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 14:15:07 GMT
That people listen to her is disappointing. It is one of the most disappointing things in life. That "follower" mentality. When the person being followed and "influencing" is just awful and/or a total idiot (but oooh, pretty Instagram!) I hope she loses most of her followers after that. She won't. Social media has taught me how needy people are for shiny things and drama. Rachel provides both in equal measure. You haven't grown beyond your high school self. My sister says they never leave the sorority. I'm just tired of the glorification of people who have no credentials Amen x 1000. They listen to these IG influencers who have no idea of what works for anyone other than themselves. But they go around "influencing": "do this", "buy this", "wear this" and you can be cool/rich/happy/pretty like ME!!!
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Post by Olan on Apr 6, 2021 14:37:38 GMT
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Post by Lexica on Apr 6, 2021 15:04:36 GMT
Haven't heard of her and I'm fine with that. I just don't see the appeal of all of these so called "influencers" popping up all over.
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scrapngranny
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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 6, 2021 15:18:34 GMT
I must having been living under a rock. I’ve never heard of her.
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Post by disneypal on Apr 6, 2021 15:42:08 GMT
I read her first book because a co-worker went on and on and on about how amazing it was and how she could relate to so many things in the book.
While I was reading it, I found myself rolling my eyes at so many places. I just didn't get why this book was on the best seller list. It was difficult to finish the book, but I will always finish a book once I start it.
I had no desire to read her second book. I don't follow her on social media so didn't see the video. I don't get her appeal.
I must say though....it IRKS me when someone says "I worked my butt off to get this and that". (I saw an actor say this once too) Well, lots of women work their butt off...lots of women get up at 4 am every day and bust their butts....my mom got up every day before any of us, she worked harder than anyone I know, all day long and practically 24 hours a day, but unfortunately, being a home maker doesn't provide the same kind of income as a social influencer or an actor. Just because you are fortunate enough to find a field that pays a lot, doesn't mean that other people don't work their butts off too. UGH!
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Post by mom on Apr 6, 2021 15:44:33 GMT
I read her first book because a co-worker went on and on and on about how amazing it was and how she could relate to so many things in the book.
While I was reading it, I found myself rolling my eyes at so many places. I just didn't get why this book was on the best seller list. It was difficult to finish the book, but I will always finish a book once I start it. I had no desire to read her second book. I don't follow her on social media so didn't see the video. I don't get her appeal. I must say though....it IRKS me when someone says "I worked my butt off to get this and that". (I saw an actor say this once too) Well, lots of women work their butt off...lots of women get up at 4 am every day and bust their butts....my mom got up every day before any of us, she worked harder than anyone I know, all day long and practically 24 hours a day, but unfortunately, being a home maker doesn't provide the same kind of income as a social influencer or an actor. Just because you are fortunate enough to find a field that pays a lot, doesn't mean that other people don't work their butts off too. UGH! I did the same (but listened to it on Audible). Honestly, it puts me to sleep on nights I cant shut my brain off. I am guaranteed sleep within 25 min of turning it on at night.
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Post by rst on Apr 6, 2021 15:56:08 GMT
I haven't read the books, don't really need life advice at this stage. Isn't that a great place to be in life? Definitely one of the things I enjoy.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 6, 2021 15:58:57 GMT
I must having been living under a rock. I’ve never heard of her. Me either. Not a clue. But she sounds nice. 😁
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on Apr 6, 2021 16:33:53 GMT
As someone who does not have a house cleaner, I don't necessarily see that as privilege. Depending where you live, it isn't too far of a stretch to make it work for a couple of days a week. Damn, she was condescending the way she described her though. The fact that she compared herself to women of REAL substance compared to her navel gazing, plagiarizing, relationship failing self is disgusting.
Please note, I don't care that she is going through a divorce or is divorced now. It's the fact that she tried schilling her "expertise" on marriage.
I don’t know. The people I know (and I can count them on one hand) that have a house cleaner have someone that comes once or twice a month, not twice a week. That really does seem extra privileged... like, the only upgrade from that is a full-time one, isn’t it? Signed, another someone who does not have a house cleaner. I had house keepers growing up. One of them came a few times a week, partially because my mom was battling cancer and partially because she worked for several of my neighbors, so she was in the neighborhood almost every day. I would never reduce her to "the woman who cleans my toilets." Jean was an important part of my family's life - she even came from Alaska to Florida at New Year's for my youngest brother's wedding. If they come frequently, they usually are there for just a couple hours at a time - they typically aren't doing marathon cleaning sessions.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 6, 2021 18:22:26 GMT
Colour me confused but isn't 'being relatable' kind of her entire brand?!?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 18:32:41 GMT
Colour me confused but isn't 'being relatable' kind of her entire brand?!? Wealthy IG influencers are in a bind. They started by "being relatable". "Tee hee, I'm just like you, but successful because I do/wear/buy....." But then the money started gushing in for a subset of them. Now they live in 18,000 sq ft houses (Jordan Page), have multi-million dollar empires (Rach), take multiple resort vacations per year, have a staff of nannies, housekeepers, assistants, etc. So, how do they keep their followers who followed for the "relatability" now that their lifestyles are completely "unrelatable." The poor dears. Such problems.
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Post by mom on Apr 6, 2021 18:49:10 GMT
Colour me confused but isn't 'being relatable' kind of her entire brand?!? At one point it was. Now? I am gonna say no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 21:27:16 GMT
This great analysis of RH was even before the recent sh#($* hit the recent fan. "Self-Help has been taking over our media; from Instagram to books, messages of self-help and a “can-do” attitude are everywhere. I recently sat down to finally read Girl Wash Your Face by motivational speaker, Rachel Hollis (I know, I’m probably the last person to read it). I was looking forward to some real talk and honest messages about increasing your self-love. However, what I found was a book full of toxic self-help messages—messages that I sadly see all of the time. The main idea of the book was that if you “choose positivity” then your life can be fuller and you can reach your full potential. Sprinkled in this book were also problematic messages involving: body image (she states that you show people you can’t be trusted if you don’t stick to a diet); romantic relationships (romanticizing a love that isn’t reciprocated and is emotionally harmful); and substance abuse (it’s not healthy to escape to wine whenever you’re stressed and this practice shouldn’t be celebrated or taken lightly). However, that’s a subject that needs its own space to discuss. Today, I want to focus just on the thought of “choosing happiness.” I believe there is power in positivity, in fact, I try to be hopeful. I believe there is strength in kindness and helping others. However, I think that it is detrimental to think that by simply “choosing happiness” that our lives can be better. By reading messages like this in books such as Girl Wash Your Face and on social media, it completely disregards two large populations of people: 1. People with depression or other mental illnesses. 2. People who are less privileged than a middle-class white woman. "www.kaitlynluckow.com/blog/2019/3/11/girl-its-okay-to-be-dirty-a-look-at-toxic-self-help
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Post by elaine on Apr 6, 2021 21:34:58 GMT
I don’t know who she is (& don’t care to waste brain cells on finding out more about her). All I could think of while reading this thread was the SNL skit this past week of the fake YouTube apologies.
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Post by finaledition on Apr 6, 2021 22:13:23 GMT
I don’t know who she is (& don’t care to waste brain cells on finding out more about her). All I could think of while reading this thread was the SNL skit this past week of the fake YouTube apologies. OMG I hadn’t seen that. So funny. And yep, not far from the truth for RH except she never does videos for her apology, just has her PR team (that she throws under the bus on the regular) write them with all the necessary buzz words and phrases so she can keep coming back like a cockroach.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 23:07:30 GMT
She discusses the whole "relatability" issue. Start around 6 mins in.
The younger generation gets it. The boomers, x-ers and millennials, not as much. Z-ers get "luck". They get "you can work hard and not pull down 6-7 figures a year". I'm so glad they're not as gullible as I was when I was their age.
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Post by Megan on Apr 6, 2021 23:40:15 GMT
She discusses the whole "relatability" issue. Start around 6 mins in. The younger generation gets it. The boomers, x-ers and millennials, not as much. Z-ers get "luck". They get "you can work hard and not pull down 6-7 figures a year". I'm so glad they're not as gullible as I was when I was their age. She is one of my favorite YouTubers.
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Post by elaine on Apr 6, 2021 23:46:40 GMT
She discusses the whole "relatability" issue. Start around 6 mins in. The younger generation gets it. The boomers, x-ers and millennials, not as much. Z-ers get "luck". They get "you can work hard and not pull down 6-7 figures a year". I'm so glad they're not as gullible as I was when I was their age. I got that concept 30+ years ago when Gen Z’s were busy being conceived. Generalizations regarding generations and what they supposedly understand are insulting, at best, and show a profound lack of understanding regarding what is responsible for racism and privilege at the core (hint: it has less to do with the year you were born in and more to do with socioeconomic, cultural and ethnic factors).
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Post by peabay on Apr 7, 2021 0:13:13 GMT
There's "relatable" and then there's "aspirational." It's a very, very fine line one has to walk to remain both.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 9, 2021 4:26:19 GMT
I went down a rabbit hole on Twitter last night regarding this. I especially enjoyed Luvvie's reaction and her feed. I watched Luvvie's whole nearly-an-hour video on it yesterday (thanks Megan for the link!). I'd never heard of Luvvie before that, I love her! And now today, my favourite Twitter personality Blair Erskine has done a parody video: "I call her Ruth, because Ruth cleaned Jesus' feet, and also I can't pronounce her foreign name, because she's from Canada."
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milocat
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Post by milocat on Apr 9, 2021 13:56:29 GMT
Bahaha!!! That parody. "Like Rosa Parks....I wrote Girl Wipe Your Butt...we're all #bossbabes"
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 9, 2021 15:12:24 GMT
bwahahaha!! "I don't like other girls... erm, I'm NOT like other girls..."
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Post by gramasue on Apr 9, 2021 21:47:15 GMT
There is a long list of truly educated, intelligent women. Some psychologists and psychiatrists. PhDs. Truly profound thinkers. And still the public will choose Girl, Wash Your Face. It's so disappointing. This whole article is disappointing. She is disappointing. That people listen to her is disappointing. I'm not one of them. I read about three paragraphs of that article and was literally bored to tears. I don't have the time or the inclination to give shallow people any more attention than 5 minutes, and even then, it was too much! I can't believe her books have been so popular.
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Post by Layce on Apr 9, 2021 23:10:41 GMT
Oh man, what a hilarious discussion!
I had no idea she had such an entitlement complex when I got GIRL, STOP APOLOGIZING for DOD for Christmas!!
I guess I thought it fit into the humorous advice genre and that this author appeared to be in the same age range as my older YDD, and cuz like that book title would resonate with her because SHE IS ALWAYS APOLOGIZING!
I got to link her this thread so she can get some laughs out of all this. flol
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 3:59:57 GMT
Girl, Wash Your Timeline Rachel Hollis, the best-selling author and motivational speaker, built a blockbuster business sharing her “authentic” self. Then things got a little too real. " May 14 was supposed to mark Rachel Hollis’s return to her happy place: a stage in front of an adoring audience.That was the day that Rise, her self-improvement company’s conference for women, was scheduled to begin in Austin, Texas. At least 100 people would attend in person, and more than 2,000 had registered by mid-April to join online. It would be a fraction of her usual crowd — nearly 50,000 people logged on for a virtual event in May 2020 — but would put her on track to business as usual. But in early April, Ms. Hollis, the 38-year-old author of the New York Times best-selling books “Girl, Wash Your Face” and “Girl, Stop Apologizing,” posted a video to TikTok that jarred many of her devoted fans.... Reducing a domestic worker to someone who “cleans the toilet,” said Louiza Doran, an antiracism and anti-oppression educator, in an Instagram Live dissection of Ms. Hollis’s TikTok post, was “the most disgusting capitalistic, privileged flex that was so quick, but it said so much about how she as a human being views the power dynamic and the social hierarchy.” Ms. Hollis, who declined to comment for this article, issued an apology, blaming her “team” for her slowness in addressing the matter.... The gulf between Rachel Hollis, online persona, and Rachel Hollis, boss, grew increasingly wide, employees said. The bubbly woman who appeared weekday mornings on “Start Today” was not the one who arrived at the HoCo office just hours later. “She would go from being silly and talking about peeing in her pants to walking into the office in sunglasses, not saying hello to anyone,” said Ms. Crooks, who has written a novel, “My Life With the Mogul,” about a young woman whose idealism is crushed by the experience of working for a personal-development celebrity.... At the company leadership summit in early 2020, former employees say, she addressed her staff to say, “I am so rich, I could just retire to Hawaii and never work a day again, that’s how wealthy I am.” (Her point, they said, was that she loves her job.)
At the Rise Business conference in Charleston, two attendees said that Ms. Hollis gave a speech extolling her own influence over her followers. “I own you,” two people recalled her saying, in explaining that her endorsement meant so much to her followers, she could compel them to buy anything. Ali Mudano, 29, the former executive assistant to both Mr. and Ms. Hollis, watched her boss’s evolution. “When Rachel wrote her books, she was a mom struggling through it like the rest of her base, it was authentic,” Ms. Mudano said. “But at some point in her rising stardom, it shifted from her wanting to be relatable to her wanting to exist in a different category.”... Money and fame couldn’t protect HoCo from the havoc brought by the coronavirus. The company, which in April 2020 received a P.P.P. loan of $998,700, was reorganized to accommodate new goals of introducing a Rise fitness app... If the Hollises seemed distracted at the onset of the resurgent Black Lives Matter movement, their employees and social media community soon learned why. On June 8, Mr. Hollis revealed in a companywide Slack message that the couple was getting a divorce.... Some followers, many of whom are religious Christians, felt bamboozled. The divorce announcement came about a month after the Hollises’ make-out advice podcast. “Y’all are as fake as they get,” one person commented on a post.... Then Hollis Co. announced the conference would be put on hold so Ms. Hollis could rethink her content....Vivian Kaye, the owner of KinkyCurlyYaki, a company that sells textured hair extensions for Black women, has watched the drama unfold since first being introduced to the Rachel Hollis brand when she was provided a free ticket by HoCo to attend the Rise conference in her hometown, Toronto. “I was there as seasoning,” Ms. Kaye, 43, said. Even before Ms. Hollis invoked Harriet Tubman in her TikTok, Ms. Kaye thought her message was problematic, as is her tendency to co-opt Black vernacular terms like “girl” and “sis.” “I should pull myself up by my bootstraps?” Ms. Kaye said. “Do you not know the system is rigged against me? That’s not feminism. That’s just putting lipstick on the patriarchy.”www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/style/rachel-hollis-tiktok-video.html
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on May 3, 2021 11:33:40 GMT
I thought of the peas when I saw that article the other day, lol.
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Post by refugeepea on May 3, 2021 11:51:04 GMT
blaming her “team” for her slowness in addressing the matter.... Yet she was the one who made the Tic Toc videos. She knew it was out there.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:01:41 GMT
"I Just Spent 10 Hours Listening to Marriage Advice From a Power Couple That Went Kaput. Whew. Rachel and Dave Hollis sold an exhausting view of what it means to be in love. “I’m Rachel Hollis,” a female voice chirps in the introduction to the first episode of the inspirational podcast Rise Together, which premiered in the summer of 2018. “I’m Dave Hollis,” a male voice responds. The two describe their marriage of 14 years and their four kids (“which is like a thousand kids!” Dave jokes). They talk about what it’s like to run a business together, the Hollis Company, a fount of conferences, merch, and multimedia content centered on improving yourself, your life, and your moneymaking abilities. (Rachel’s mega-bestseller, the vaguely Christian Girl, Wash Your Face: Stop Believing the Lies About Who You Are so You Can Become Who You Were Meant to Be, had come out earlier that year.) Then, the conversation hits on the core message for the new podcast, which promises to be all about bettering yourself as part of a couple: “We feel like it’s possible—we know it’s possible—to have an exceptional relationship despite the stresses you have in your life.” It wasn’t. After a 99-episode run of dispensing marriage advice, charging $1,800 for couple’s weekends, and much posing on Instagram as a pair, in June of 2020, the Hollises suddenly announced that they were getting divorced... Beyond the ads and tickets sold on the power of their marriage advice, the Hollises presented themselves as a modern power couple: flawed in adorable ways, out to make money and love as an unstoppable team. And they wanted to teach you how to do the same, sometimes for a fee. Because I’m interested, socioculturally speaking, in knowing more about what kinds of marriage advice Americans currently favor; because I’m a gossip, and this is hours of a couple talking about their relationship, when we know they were on the brink of breaking up; and because I’m a glutton for punishment, I recently listened to 10 hours of the “Rachel and Dave” episodes of Rise Together, picking ones with titles that represented a range of themes. Here’s what I learned about the vision of American couplehood they were selling...." slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/rachel-hollis-marriage-advice-divorce-podcast.html
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:20:55 GMT
One of the IGers in this Vox piece nails it: www.vox.com/culture/22373865/rachel-hollis-controversy-harriet-tubman-girl-wash-your-face-stop-apologizing-unrelatable"In the caption of her text post, Cargle added, “The issue I have with many celebrated white wellness spaces and women’s empowerment influencer or brands is that they oddly seem to equate ‘success’ to getting what white men have and wielding that power in the exact same oppressive inhumane way that white men have been doing for generations.” The issue Cargle identifies is, in the end, the biggest act of appropriation in the entire corporate white feminist enterprise, the whole project that Hollis is selling. It’s the decision to take a political movement built to deconstruct our existing systems of power — and use it to do nothing but support the status quo. "
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