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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 4:38:38 GMT
Yup changed the title. Its becoming clear that “ what went on behind closed doors during former’s Administration is starting to see the light of day. So rather then starting separate threads as these things pop up I’ll just add them to this thread. Hopefully this will be a short lived thread but sadly I doubt that will be the case. Russia collusion..... The question what did trump know and when did he know it. In the Mueller Report and the Senate Intelligence Report it was known that Paul Manafort gave polling and campaign information to this guy Kiliminik. But apparently they didn’t know what he did until now. It seems trump’s campaign manager was giving polling information etc to a Russian Spy. We also know Russia was interfering with the 2016 election. I would guess the information Paul Manafort gave to the Russia Spy helped the Russian Intelligence to meddle in the 2016 election. Which is called collusion with a foreign government. Did trump know this was happening? Did his kids? From the Treasury Press Release on the new sanctions on Russia.. link“TREASURY TARGETS KNOWN RUSSIAN AGENT KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK”“Konstantin Kilimnik (Kilimnik) is a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant and known Russian Intelligence Services agent implementing influence operations on their behalf. During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Kilimnik provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy. Additionally, Kilimnik sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. In 2018, Kilimnik was indicted on charges of obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice regarding unregistered lobbying work. Kilimnik has also sought to assist designated former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. At Yanukovych’s direction, Kilimnik sought to institute a plan that would return Yanukovych to power in Ukraine. Kilimnik was designated pursuant to E.O. 13848 for having engaged in foreign interference in the U.S. 2020 presidential election. Kilimnik was also designated pursuant to E.O. 13660 for acting for or on behalf of Yanukovych. Yanukovych, who is currently hiding in exile in Russia, was designated in 2014 pursuant to E.O. 13660 for his role in violating Ukrainian sovereignty. The FBI is offering a reward of up to $250,000 for information leading to the arrest of Kilimnik.”
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 16, 2021 4:42:51 GMT
Collide or collude? 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 15:46:09 GMT
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Post by peano on Apr 16, 2021 16:17:33 GMT
What I find most entertaining and rewarding is that the assessment is that Trump was merely a useful idiot while Manafort actually colluded.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 19:11:13 GMT
“Opinion: The Republican war on democracy started long before Jan. 6”
Opinion by Paul Waldman Columnist April 16, 2021 at 11:06 a.m. PDT
“As we continue to grapple with the fallout of the Trump era, a disturbing fact is becoming more and more clear, one whose effects are still being felt: Donald Trump’s presidency began and ended with two of the most profound attacks on American democracy in our history.
There’s a straight line running from the 2016 Russia scandal through the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6. And in both cases, almost the entire GOP decided to defend, justify and use those attacks for whatever advantage it could gain. Indeed, that through line runs from both of those right into the GOP campaign of voter suppression and cultural panic now underway.
The atrocity of that first scandal is now coming into clearer focus. On Thursday, the Biden administration announced new sanctions on Russia as punishment for both cyberespionage and the Kremlin’s attempts to interfere in the 2020 elections. Within the Treasury Department document explaining the sanctions was a striking conclusion on a key unanswered question, one that offers a vital reminder of something that lies at the heart of American politics right now.
It concerns Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime associate of Trump’s 2016 campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. A bipartisan 2020 Senate report called Kilimnik a “Russian intelligence officer,” and in 2016, Manafort passed Kilimnik internal campaign information, including polling data.
While it was long suspected that Kilimnik might have turned that information over to the Kremlin — since it would have helped form the Russian strategy to help Trump get elected — our government had never said definitively what Kilimnik did with the Trump campaign secrets.
Until now. This is from the Treasury Department statement on the new sanctions:
During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Kilimnik provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy.
So far Republicans have been silent on this news (though Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas did say that “Biden is soft on Russia” because the sanctions didn’t target an oil pipeline Republicans oppose).
But when you clear your head, it boggles the mind. The man running the Trump campaign was allegedly passing secrets to a Russian agent who then conveyed them to the Russian intelligence services.
And that was just one part of the scandal. That a major-party presidential nominee was seeking a lucrative deal in Russia while running for president and lying about it; that members of his family and campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian officials; that Russia waged a multifaceted effort to get him elected that included hacking into the opposition’s electronic systems; that the nominee’s longtime political adviser helped coordinate the release of damaging hacked documents to help his campaign; that in the end the president pardoned wrongdoers who had kept their mouths shut — all of it would be the greatest scandal in the history of any democracy on earth.
Republicans largely defended all of it, for years. It’s fine, they said. If a hostile foreign power wages war on the U.S. electoral system, we don’t mind, so long as it’s done to help our candidate.
“This is fine” may have been the key ideological through-line of the Republican Party through the entire Trump era. No matter what Trump did — including trying to strong-arm another foreign country into helping subvert the 2020 campaign of Joe Biden — Republicans defended it.
And when Trump’s rabid supporters overran the Capitol, only a few Republicans managed a full-throated condemnation of this different variety of attack on democracy. Some went so far as to praise the rioters. Others said the attack itself was bad, but defended the lunatic conspiracy theory of a stolen election that inspired insurrectionists in the first place.
Indeed, just hours after their workplace was overrun by a mob, 147 Republicans in Congress voted to overturn some of the winner’s electors. And in following days, the consensus Republican line was that while the Big Lie might or might not be correct, severe voter suppression measures are now necessary because so many of their own followers believe that lie.
Everywhere you look, Republicans are defining democracy as a threat to be defeated. They’re attempting not only to suppress Democratic votes but to seize control from local election officials who can’t be relied on favor the GOP. The most popular Fox News host tells viewers night after night that there’s a nefarious plot afoot to “replace” true (i.e. White) Americans with “Third World” immigrants who after becoming citizens will prove their unworthiness by voting for Democrats.
We know this: Had Russia been as successful in helping Trump get reelected in 2020 as it was in 2016, Republicans would have defended it. If they can change the rules to make it impossible for Democrats to ever win another election, no matter what the voting public wants, they’ll do it.
And if they can steal the next election, they’ll do that, too. When you decide that democracy is your enemy, there’s almost nothing you won’t do.”
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 15:42:01 GMT
Shocked to find out Bill Barr lied to protect former...
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 15:54:02 GMT
Not being a legal expert by any stretch of the imagine but it seems Mueller’s hands were tied, in part, when it came to pursuing those potential obstruction of justice charges against former because of that stupid notion you can’t indict a sitting president.
Which left Barr the ability to limit what information was given to Congress. And when Congress tried to pursue what information was made available to them by interviewing the same folks Mueller’s team did they ran into the problem that one judge ruled while Congress could issue subpoenas, they didn’t have the power to enforce them.
You know, you just can’t make this stuff up.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2021 18:45:41 GMT
Proven conspire with Russia!! Obstruct wholeheartedly!
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Post by epeanymous on May 6, 2021 18:47:57 GMT
Am guessing we will eventually find out Trump was not a billionaire.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2021 18:56:17 GMT
Not being a legal expert by any stretch of the imagine but it seems Mueller’s hands were tied, in part, when it came to pursuing those potential obstruction of justice charges against former because of that stupid notion you can’t indict a sitting president. Which left Barr the ability to limit what information was given to Congress. And when Congress tried to pursue what information was made available to them by interviewing the same folks Mueller’s team did they ran into the problem that one judge ruled while Congress could issue subpoenas, they didn’t have the power to enforce them. You know, you just can’t make this stuff up. When I read the subject line, not looking at the date, my first thought was Barr's exposure. THAT is one of the best for me!! IN ways dt is smarter then we may have thought, but not the smartest. He absorbed much from the experts around him and he is devious enough to hold and manipulate the gathered info that was to his personal advantage. Forgot the address Mueller and obstruction. Yes I do think his hands were tied by the DOJ can't charge the president 'rule'..... He and team documented 10 areas he could have been charged with. Barr sort of hid that. NOT sort of, he outright hid it!!
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Post by naby64 on May 6, 2021 18:57:43 GMT
But again, no one who is a Trumper will believe any of this. I've given up trying to tell my mother.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2021 19:07:20 GMT
But again, no one who is a Trumper will believe any of this. I've given up trying to tell my mother. So very sorry!! All I know is that DOJ has to move quickly on some of this before Nov 2022 rolls around other wise...... WE have to campaign harder then we have ever done before to add to the Senate and the House.
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Post by papersilly on May 6, 2021 21:32:50 GMT
i'm more concerned about what we will never find out about. back door deals. self dealing. laws broken. i hope some investigative journalists do a deep dive someday and flesh it all out.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2021 21:48:29 GMT
i'm more concerned about what we will never find out about. back door deals. self dealing. laws broken. i hope some investigative journalists do a deep dive someday and flesh it all out. Without people voting in 2022 and 2024, it will start all over again and there will be NO saved documents or worse!!
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Post by papersilly on May 6, 2021 23:40:45 GMT
i'm more concerned about what we will never find out about. back door deals. self dealing. laws broken. i hope some investigative journalists do a deep dive someday and flesh it all out. Without people voting in 2022 and 2024, it will start all over again and there will be NO saved documents or worse!! I think people will vote. The recent record turn out proved that people can rally. On both sides. As far as documents go, I have no doubt more than a few shredders got a vigorous work out the past few years.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2021 23:43:56 GMT
Without people voting in 2022 and 2024, it will start all over again and there will be NO saved documents or worse!! I think people will vote. The recent record turn out proved that people can rally. On both sides. As far as documents go, I have no doubt more than a few shredders got a vigorous work out the past few years. Hopefully, but they are trying to make it harder for many to vote regularly. Getting IDs cost money and travel some cannot afford. standing in line for hours is not acceptable and the list goes on!! ETA: The last FOUR years with dt gave us fair warning that that is not the way we want to go!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 7, 2021 23:35:53 GMT
But but he was NOT abusing the law/his powers, THEY were abusing/spying on him!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 7, 2021 23:40:43 GMT
I have a mess left behind. dt endangered the security of the White House and its occupants and those who worked there!! (CNN)The project that's currently tearing up the White House's South Lawn initially landed on Donald Trump's desk. The White House was in need of substantial upgrades to its future security apparatus, updates that would include digging deeply and extensively, from the upper main driveway to the lower, across acres of pristine green grass. Times had changed since the last substantial overhaul of systems, and with the country facing new, known and unknown security threats from various entities, it was paramount the updates happen, the United States Secret Service told the White House, according to two people familiar with the plan who spoke to CNN. Many workers would be involved, with machinery, temporary gates and plenty of inconvenient closures and re-routes likely to occur, perhaps for several weeks, possibly longer. The United States Secret Service, the National Park Service and the White House worked in tandem to formulate a plan for the massive, multimillion dollar overhaul, one that could be done in phases, so as not to disturb the first family in residence, noted the sources. The final step of implementation was for the Trump White House's chief usher, Timothy Harleth, to explain the plan to the President and first lady, and then signal to the Secret Service and National Park Service the system was a "go." But the Trumps weren't so inclined. They didn't want the noise and, Melania Trump in particular, wanted to avoid disrupting the aesthetics on the back lawn, where there could perhaps be events. The first couple decided to "pass it to the next guy," said one of the people familiar. That next guy ended up being President Joe Biden.** more at link: www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/politics/white-house-construction-trump-biden/index.html
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 13:42:07 GMT
Keith has a few responses
Wake up dems!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 13:44:25 GMT
" A federal judge has ordered the Department of Justice to turn over a memo cited by then-Attorney General Bill Barr as his reasoning not to charge President Trump with obstruction of justice as part of a lawsuit brought by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. When Barr delivered the Mueller Report to Congress, he said that there was not sufficient evidence to charge Trump, a decision made “in consultation with the Office of Legal Counsel and other Department lawyers.” Barr and the Department of Justice have refused to turn over the OLC memo, which led to the lawsuit from CREW. Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled that the contents of the memo “call[] into question the accuracy of Attorney General Barr’s March 24 representation to Congress,” specifically that Mueller had left it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct his report describes is a crime, and that OLC’s description of the document “served to obscure the true purpose of the memorandum,” which CREW argued was to help Barr spin his version of the Mueller Report. After reviewing the OLC memo, Judge Jackson found that it “raises serious questions about how the Department of Justice could make this series of representations to a court,” concluding that “It is time for the public to see that [the memo], too.” In ordering the document turned over to CREW, Judge Jackson gave the government two weeks to respond with its course of action. " www.citizensforethics.org/news/press-releases/judge-orders-doj-release-trump-obstruction-memo/
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Post by maryannscraps on May 8, 2021 14:08:40 GMT
I have a mess left behind. dt endangered the security of the White House and its occupants and those who worked there!! (CNN)The project that's currently tearing up the White House's South Lawn initially landed on Donald Trump's desk. The White House was in need of substantial upgrades to its future security apparatus, updates that would include digging deeply and extensively, from the upper main driveway to the lower, across acres of pristine green grass. Times had changed since the last substantial overhaul of systems, and with the country facing new, known and unknown security threats from various entities, it was paramount the updates happen, the United States Secret Service told the White House, according to two people familiar with the plan who spoke to CNN by ********************** I just can’t get worked up about that. Projects get delayed and put off all the time. I’m sure it happens in all transitions. K
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Post by christine58 on May 8, 2021 18:26:24 GMT
Where did the OP go and who was it?
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Post by sassyangel on May 8, 2021 18:37:13 GMT
Where did the OP go and who was it? I’ve no idea. Freddie.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 18:41:54 GMT
Yeah, anyone know why Freddie left??
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