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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 17:38:11 GMT
We're trying to continue to be very careful here (we both had our shots and my adult children are getting their 2nd shots on 5/5, but they continue to be VERY careful for DH's sake). I'd love to know what more we could be doing to remain as safe as we could be. There should be more news/info about this, IMO. Mainstream media continues to regurgitate the same 10 headlines throughout the day instead of passing along more pertinent info. SO many people don't have enough info about the vaccines, which is why they won't be getting vaccinated. We need to improve on getting the right information out there.
Has anyone else heard about people getting infected post-vaccines??
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Post by peabay on Apr 21, 2021 17:40:18 GMT
But the vaccines never promised you wouldn't catch it. They promised you wouldn't die or be hospitalized with it.
Less than 6000 cases and 1/2 of Americans have had at least one dose? I think that's actually quite good.
ETA: as of today about 86.3 million people have been fully vaccinated. 6000 breakthrough cases is really good.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 21, 2021 17:49:27 GMT
If a vaccine is 95% effective (and that’s an amazingly high rate), and if 86.3 million people have been fully vaccinated, then I would think we might expect around 4.3 million cases. If my math is correct.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 21, 2021 17:50:13 GMT
We're trying to continue to be very careful here (we both had our shots and my adult children are getting their 2nd shots on 5/5, but they continue to be VERY careful for DH's sake). I'd love to know what more we could be doing to remain as safe as we could be. There should be more news/info about this, IMO. Mainstream media continues to regurgitate the same 10 headlines throughout the day instead of passing along more pertinent info. SO many people don't have enough info about the vaccines, which is why they won't be getting vaccinated. We need to improve on getting the right information out there.
Has anyone else heard about people getting infected post-vaccines??
I know it’s called “Breakthrough Covid” and I know it was expected because I read it a zillion times. If a vaccine is not 100% effective, people will get the disease. I personally know of one person who got Covid two weeks after being fully vaccinated. I really can’t comment on if the vaccine info the mainstream press is reporting is lacking. I’ve gotten most of my information from a variety of sources, including the print media, but also the CDC and other public sector sources. So, I would be really surprised to learn people don’t know the vaccines aren’t fully effective. On the other hand, I think it was here that I read that somebody’s FB friend made a show of throwing all her masks out after getting vaccinated, so clearly that person either hadn’t consumed - or hadn’t understood...or maybe just rejected - the available information. Not sure how we fix that one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 17:52:31 GMT
But the vaccines never promised you wouldn't catch it. They promised you wouldn't die or be hospitalized with it. Less than 6000 cases and 1/2 of Americans have had at least one dose? I think that's actually quite good. ETA: as of today about 86.3 million people have been fully vaccinated. 6000 breakthrough cases is really good. You are right. I look at it like the %s of some sexual protection. There's always that 5% risk there. I'd just like more info as to how these people contracted Covid (if they know). Wondering if they felt that they could let their guard down since they were fully vaccinated, or if they continued to be cautious and still contracted it. I thought that more should have been said clearly when it was mentioned that 6k people still contracted Covid, post-vaccinations, to put people's minds at ease, otherwise this will be another reason for the unvaccinated to skip getting the vaccines.
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Post by LilyRose on Apr 21, 2021 17:53:02 GMT
Early on, when the news was reporting that the vaccines were 100% effective at preventing death, I thought, “Well, I doubt that”. (I may have misunderstood the context.)
I think people are so tired of sitting home/being careful that many will get lax. I will certainly loosen up my standards on going out. But I guess people will need to remember this isn’t foolproof.
I found this is a news article: “ Seventy-four fully vaccinated people have died (1% of those infected) and 7% were hospitalized. “
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 21, 2021 17:53:03 GMT
6k out of how many doses? I think that’s the important part to want to be informed. I’m kind of surprised if they didn’t quantify that number on the show, in some way, because it’s a more important part of the equation.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 21, 2021 17:53:11 GMT
6k out of how many doses? I think that’s the important part to want to be informed. I’m kind of surprised if they didn’t quantify that number on the show, in some way, because it’s a more important part of the equation.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 21, 2021 18:16:22 GMT
I found this is a news article: “ Seventy-four fully vaccinated people have died (1% of those infected) and 7% were hospitalized. “ Do you have a link for that? TIA
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 21, 2021 18:20:13 GMT
I found this is a news article: “ Seventy-four fully vaccinated people have died (1% of those infected) and 7% were hospitalized. “ Do you have a link for that? TIA Oh, I found a different article and forgot to link it in my post: This one
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 21, 2021 18:21:24 GMT
There is no such as "the vaccines" in terms of efficacy rates either. The mRNA vaccines have significantly higher efficacy rates so far but those rates were calculated against the strains available at the time. Nowadays, we're battling new variants that are becoming increasingly resistant to all vaccines currently available. We will be living in variant-specific booster shot territory for the coming years.
Even when fully vaccinated with mRNA tech, continue to wear masks, ventilate your home, clean your hands, social distance if you're especially at risk. For others, it's a matter of calculating risks. Masks should continue to be worn when venturing outside in socially buzzing environments no matter what for the time being. The Manaus, South-African and Indian variants are causing problems even among vaccinated populations right now. And they're travelling fast.
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Post by CardBoxer on Apr 21, 2021 18:21:51 GMT
If a vaccine is 95% effective (and that’s an amazingly high rate), and if 86.3 million people have been fully vaccinated, then I would think we might expect around 4.3 million cases. If my math is correct. I wish journalists would explain this better. It took me a while to get it. 95% efficacy doesn’t mean 5% of vaccinated people may get covid. It means that in the clinical trial, the number of people who got covid in the vaccinated group was 5% of the number of people who got covid in the unvaccinated (placebo) group. But not everyone in the placebo group got covid. From the article in the link below: “One common misunderstanding is that 95% efficacy means that in the Pfizer clinical trial, 5% of vaccinated people got COVID. But that's not true; the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than that: 0.04%.” That’s 4/100ths of 1 percent. www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 21, 2021 18:24:02 GMT
There is no such as "the vaccines" in terms of efficacy rates either. The mRNA vaccines have significantly higher efficacy rates so far but those rates were calculated against the strains available at the time. Nowadays, we're battling new variants that are becoming increasingly resistant to all vaccines currently available. We will be living in variant-specific booster shot territory for the coming years. Even when fully vaccinated with mRNA tech, continue to wear masks, ventilate your home, clean your hands, social distance if you're especially at risk. For others, it's a matter of calculating risks. Masks should continue to be worn when venturing outside in socially buzzing environments no matter what for the time being. The Manaus, South-African and Indian variants are causing problems even among vaccinated populations right now. And they're travelling fast. The more people who do NOT get vaccinated the more variants will develope, which will affect ALL of us!!
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 21, 2021 18:25:07 GMT
Early on, when the news was reporting that the vaccines were 100% effective at preventing death, I thought, “Well, I doubt that”. (I may have misunderstood the context.) I think people are so tired of sitting home/being careful that many will get lax. I will certainly loosen up my standards on going out. But I guess people will need to remember this isn’t foolproof. I found this is a news article: “ Seventy-four fully vaccinated people have died (1% of those infected) and 7% were hospitalized. “ What they were saying is during the trials it was 100% effective at preventing death. Seventy-four deaths from 83,000,000 fully vaccinated people is a very good number.
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Post by ddly on Apr 21, 2021 18:28:52 GMT
I know someone. Almost a month past being fully vaccinated. I am a teacher and she was a support staff and we were having a department meeting a few days before we got sick. Me and 3 others were deemed close contacts and because we weren’t two weeks out from our last vaccine, we had to quarantine until we had a negative test. It was only 2 days but scary that you can do everything and still get COVID. We were following the rules and no one else tested positive.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 21, 2021 18:29:50 GMT
There is no such as "the vaccines" in terms of efficacy rates either. The mRNA vaccines have significantly higher efficacy rates so far but those rates were calculated against the strains available at the time. Nowadays, we're battling new variants that are becoming increasingly resistant to all vaccines currently available. We will be living in variant-specific booster shot territory for the coming years. The more people who do NOT get vaccinated the more variants will develope, which will affect ALL of us!! Hence why we need to mass export vaccines ASAP. Whatever tens of millions the richer countries have offered so far is not enough. When I hear that certain parts of Africa aren't expected to have basic access to a Covid-19 vaccine until 2025, I shudder. As Westerners, we need to do better and quick.
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Post by hopemax on Apr 21, 2021 18:35:24 GMT
If a vaccine is 95% effective (and that’s an amazingly high rate), and if 86.3 million people have been fully vaccinated, then I would think we might expect around 4.3 million cases. If my math is correct. Actually, this isn't how it's calculated at all (and I made the same mistake originally). It's that you are 95% less likely to become infected, if you are exposed to the virus than if you were unvaccinated. It's taking what is your "risk level", if you could quantify it, and then multiplying it by .05 to get your new risk level. For most people, this makes their risk of infection low enough that they feel comfortable engaging in riskier activities, like eating out, travel, etc. But in a county of 330 million people, with untold number of covid encounters, the laws of large numbers start applying so the number of breakthrough cases seems like a big number, even though it degrees of magnitude lower than before. But that's why we need to continue mitigations to drive community case numbers down, so the number of encounters drops, and not just the "risk multiplier."
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Post by tentoes on Apr 21, 2021 18:41:00 GMT
One of my friends had covid, later got the shots, and then later got covid again.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 21, 2021 18:41:02 GMT
But the vaccines never promised you wouldn't catch it. They promised you wouldn't die or be hospitalized with it. . this is what i keep reminding myself and this is what reassures me. i never, for one minute, believed it would make me immune to the virus. i just didn't want to get severe symptoms. at least not severe enough to hospitalize me, ventilate me, or kill me. most of the people i've spoken to that are hesitant to get the vaccine hide behind the fact that it is not a cure for the virus. if it doesn't cure, why take it? well, mild symptoms is far more acceptable than a ventilator, organ failure, or death for me.
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Post by CardBoxer on Apr 21, 2021 18:44:13 GMT
74 people is about 9/100,000ths of a percent. ?
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Post by brandy327 on Apr 21, 2021 18:44:45 GMT
There were only a few talked about in my state and they interviewed him. It was a 20 something college student, who immediately after getting the vaccine, booked a trip to Florida. He caught it there.
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Post by katlady on Apr 21, 2021 18:57:08 GMT
There were only a few talked about in my state and they interviewed him. It was a 20 something college student, who immediately after getting the vaccine, booked a trip to Florida. He caught it there. Dont they say it takes about 2 weeks for the shot to become effective?
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Post by jennifercw on Apr 21, 2021 19:04:42 GMT
What I really want to know is if you can pass COVID along to someone else if you get it after you are fully vaccinated. (i.e. diagnosed with covid at least 2 weeks after your 2nd moderna/pfizer shot)
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 21, 2021 19:32:54 GMT
What I really want to know is if you can pass COVID along to someone else if you get it after you are fully vaccinated. (i.e. diagnosed with covid at least 2 weeks after your 2nd moderna/pfizer shot) So far, the answer remains yes. There appears to be a 80% transmission rate lowering after being fully vaccinated for the mRNA vaccines but it's currently being studied and we won't have a more definitive answer on this matter for quite some time. Another reason for vaccinated people to keep strict hygiene barriers with non-vaccinated people. My mother's doctor told her to keep ventilating, strict reciprocal mask-wearing and physical distancing when seeing me (I won't be eligible until summer where I live whereas she's fully vaccinated now).
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Post by christine58 on Apr 21, 2021 19:38:07 GMT
I'd just like more info as to how these people contracted Covid (if they know). Wondering if they felt that they could let their guard down since they were fully vaccinated, I am sure that is what happened. Many times people don't know where they caught it. We still HAVE to continue with the precautions. That has been said all along. On a side note...@bergdorfblonde How is your son?
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Post by brandy327 on Apr 21, 2021 19:44:30 GMT
There were only a few talked about in my state and they interviewed him. It was a 20 something college student, who immediately after getting the vaccine, booked a trip to Florida. He caught it there. Dont they say it takes about 2 weeks for the shot to become effective? Yes!! You're not considered fully vaccinated until 2 weeks post 2nd shot...
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Post by hop2 on Apr 21, 2021 19:44:37 GMT
But the vaccines never promised you wouldn't catch it. They promised you wouldn't die or be hospitalized with it. Less than 6000 cases and 1/2 of Americans have had at least one dose? I think that's actually quite good. ETA: as of today about 86.3 million people have been fully vaccinated. 6000 breakthrough cases is really good. they didn’t promise you wouldn’t be hospitalized or die they said it was %90+ Effective preventing hospitalization or death, depending on which vaccine you had got the exact %. There have been deaths, just WAY fewer. According to the CDC 74 people out of 75million people fully vaccinated. Those are pretty good odds. www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/infected-after-covid-vaccination-cdc-numbers-breakthrough-infections-2021-4%3famp
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Post by CardBoxer on Apr 21, 2021 19:57:56 GMT
But the vaccines never promised you wouldn't catch it. They promised you wouldn't die or be hospitalized with it. Less than 6000 cases and 1/2 of Americans have had at least one dose? I think that's actually quite good. ETA: as of today about 86.3 million people have been fully vaccinated. 6000 breakthrough cases is really good. they didn’t promise you wouldn’t be hospitalized or die they said it was %90+ Effective preventing hospitalization or death, depending on which vaccine you had got the exact %. There have been deaths, just WAY fewer. According to the CDC 74 people out of 75million people fully vaccinated. Those are pretty good odds. www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/infected-after-covid-vaccination-cdc-numbers-breakthrough-infections-2021-4%3fampIt’s not 95% effective - it’s a 95% efficacy rate (if Pfizer), which means (according to the article below and others) that vaccinated people had a 95% lower risk of getting COVID-19 than people in the control group who were not vaccinated. *But not everyone in the control group got covid.* That is much better than being 95% effective. “One common misunderstanding is that 95% efficacy means that in the Pfizer clinical trial, 5% of vaccinated people got COVID. But that's not true; the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than that: 0.04%.” Link again: www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.html
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Post by jennifercw on Apr 21, 2021 20:21:11 GMT
What I really want to know is if you can pass COVID along to someone else if you get it after you are fully vaccinated. (i.e. diagnosed with covid at least 2 weeks after your 2nd moderna/pfizer shot) So far, the answer remains yes. There appears to be a 80% transmission rate lowering after being fully vaccinated for the mRNA vaccines but it's currently being studied and we won't have a more definitive answer on this matter for quite some time. Another reason for vaccinated people to keep strict hygiene barriers with non-vaccinated people. My mother's doctor told her to keep ventilating, strict reciprocal mask-wearing and physical distancing when seeing me (I won't be eligible until summer where I live whereas she's fully vaccinated now). Do you have a link to some documentation for that?
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Post by hop2 on Apr 21, 2021 20:21:38 GMT
It’s not 90% effective - it’s a 95% efficacy rate (if Pfizer), which means (according to the article below and others) that vaccinated people had a 95% lower risk of getting COVID-19 than people in the control group who were not vaccinated. *But not everyone in the control group got covid.* That is much better than being 95% effective. “One common misunderstanding is that 95% efficacy means that in the Pfizer clinical trial, 5% of vaccinated people got COVID. But that's not true; the actual percentage of vaccinated people in the Pfizer (and Moderna) trials who got COVID-19 was about a hundred times less than that: 0.04%.” Link again: www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-explained.htmlI put %90+ because each vaccine is a different percentage above 90. I said ‘depending on which vaccine’
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