6k cases of Covid from fully vaccinated people?

I still don’t understand why your bickering with me about this. I specifically left the % not specific because each vaccination has a different % and the CDC info of how many breakthroughs cases and how many died do not specify which vaccines they received.

I have no idea which of those breakthroughs cases had which vaccine so I can’t be using a specific percentage to talk about it. It encompasses at least 3 different vaccines.

But by the numbers the vaccines are doing a pretty decent job.

I too was surprised to hear there were that many cases and surprised that there were any deaths. I know it was possible, but to be honest I was still a little suprised. It makes me want to be vaccinated even more.

Even after getting vaccinated, I will just continue to wear a mask and avoid gatherings, and pretty much keep doing what we have been doing the past year (no visitors, no trips to stay at relatives houses, etc.). Maybe a year from now when most of the population is vaccinated, I will go back to normal. But I am happy to plan a vaccine appt (hopefully Johnson and Johnson on Friday!), and keep up what I have been doing. I am just happy the vaccine is working so well! And protects us against the variants.

I apologize if it seems like I’m bickering. I was trying to clarify since so many of us - myself included - have misunderstood what that percentage means - whether it’s 90, 95, 60, any other number, when it’s actually even better. But I’m a lousy explainer so will stop and eat a donut.

Another article for anyone who’s interested:
www.businessinsider.com/what-is-vaccine-efficacy-how-well-shots-prevent-infections-2020-11

Thank you sleepingbooty. I'll check out those links. Appreciate you posting them!

Protection against variants is not only not guaranteed but contracts are already underway with the main vaccine providers like Pfizer for variant booster shots. The current vaccines are unlikely to hold up against some of the currently already existing variants (at least not at the efficacy rate for the initial strains) or future ones. I don't think people understand the amount of variants popping up right now. 92 for Brazil alone.

1000%!!!

I've been following two Instagrammers during the pandemic that are really great at communicating the data and debunking all the nonsense out there. I do realize it sounds super strange to follow Instagrammers for that! But Laurel Bristow is an infectious disease specialist and clinical research coordinator at Emory's Vaccine & Treatment Evaluation Unit and Jessica Malaty Rivera has an MS in Emerging Infectious Diseases from Georgetown University and works with the COVID Tracking Project. I've really appreciated all their science facts.

I was able to get an appt. for two weeks from today for pfizer.  But just found out this evening that our local costco will start vaccinating people tomorrow and they have moderna (and it's 5 min. away v. 45 min away).  I don't know which I should get, pfizer or moderna.  I have a lot of research to do tonight.  I am still hoping Johnson and Johnson is approved in a couple days as our local target has that.  With all the variants you mentioned, I am so happy to be getting vaccinated soon,  and still maintain my double masking, and avoiding everyone but my husband and kids (who live with us).  

While I understand the need to make sure everyone in the World has access, I think in the first several months it's prudent for ANY Country to protect it's people first.  The US has 250+ million people who need vaccinated.  We are the 3rd most populated Country in the World.  We already have our own variants, which need to be squashed.  We need to get our own house together first.

We have given $4 billion to COVAX to help distribution across the World.  And we also sent vaccines to Canada and Mexico.  It's not like we're not doing nothing to help others.

Once everyone in the US who has a vaccine that wants one, I absolutely think it's prudent that we start distributing outside our borders.  But to be disappointed in the USA 4 months into this process is a little hasty in my opinion.

Other countries and parts of the world (the EU is 448 million people) have been exporting vaccines as soon as manufacturing began. The USA did apply the America First strategy and it's one that isn't looked at favourably internationally. It's an understandable choice but it's a more than debatable one in the face of the pandemic. You can agree with it but you can also see how it's a dangerous, selfish one. It's culturally very American and I do wish from a very self-centered POV my nook of the world had done the same since I'm at least still two months away from a first shot but I also don't want deliveries abroad to stop even if we don't have enough for our own adult population.

The wastefulness of vaccine doses being thrown away at the end of the day in certain parts of the US is absolutely heartbreaking from this side of the world where we're desperate for some. Again, selfishly, I wish. But it's a pandemic so I have to stand by mass exportation as soon as manufacturing begins. Giving money to Covax is not the same as delivering doses right now. People need to understand that you cannot buy back lives lost, organs damaged for life, dangerous variants forming and spreading (right back to us eventually). 

Anyone giving blood now is screen for antibodies.  Lots of people are finding out that way. Also, some are getting antibody tests out of curiosity.  My son did that, and had antibodies.  No symptoms whatsoever in the last several months. 

Were they less sick the 2nd time?  Not that you can really tell if the effects on the 2nd infection came from the previous infection or vaccination, I'm just curious.

But I keep hearing that J&J is safe and that the blood clots are very very rare.  I feel as comfortable getting that now as I do Pfizer and Moderna.  I also like that I only have to get one shot and am fully vaccinated in 2 weeks.  I want to go with my fully vaccinated husband and daughter next month to move her into her apt. (5 hrs. away) to start her masters in public health.  Also to attend my daughter's high school graduation ceremony (outside and with limited guests spread out).  I wouldn't feel comfortable doing either without being fully vaccinated (to protect others as well as myself).  That's why I plan to go with J&J if possible.  If they decide not to do J%J any more, I will get pfizer.  But I understand that people who may be at high risk for blood clots or who may not be comfortable with the vaccine may not want Johnson and Johnson.

And what would you do if the Johnson and Johnson isn’t approved on Friday. Maybe it’s three weeks from now that it gets approved. I would take any shot I could get right now if I were you. If you can get a shot tomorrow or the next day take it. There’s no guarantee that the Johnson and Johnson one will be approved for usage with precautions on Friday.

thank you! I was worried that I wasn’t interpreting the percentage correctly.


ETA thanks also to hopemax