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Post by bc2ca on Apr 28, 2021 1:44:02 GMT
I don't even know where to start with this story and know it could be a trigger for anyone dealing with dementia in the family. My mom has dementia, she was a wanderer and our interactions with LEO were wonderful. We are only hearing about the brutal arrest of a 73 year old woman because her family is suing. No one in the Loveland police force had a problem with the arrest and treatment last June when it happened. Colorado DA calls for criminal review after lawsuit over arrest of Karen Garner.After watching the body camera footage the other day, the video of the cops watching, sharing and laughing about the arrest was released today. Reading what they did was more than enough for me. WTF is wrong with these people? Cops sharing body cam footage
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Post by gorgeouskid on Apr 28, 2021 1:53:18 GMT
This makes me want to throw up. Beyond disgusting.
These are criminals who KNOW they are being recorded (on body cams and on station CCTV). What would they do without surveillance?
My mother is 72 and my MIL is 77. If ANYONE treated either of them like this (let alone those who are charged with protecting and serving), I think either my husband or me would be in prison.
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Post by scrapmaven on Apr 28, 2021 1:57:10 GMT
This is awful. She's ill. She's not a criminal. I really think we need social workers on the front line w/officers in cases like this.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 28, 2021 2:02:48 GMT
This is very local to me. I'm glad people are paying attention
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Post by katlady on Apr 28, 2021 2:25:44 GMT
My heart breaks for that poor woman! 
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 28, 2021 2:29:32 GMT
I’m glad that the family is suing. I’ll bet that those deputies aren’t laughing now. 😐
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Post by Really Red on Apr 28, 2021 2:52:54 GMT
I’m thoroughly disgusted. I hope the prosecute and I hope they win
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Post by used2scrap on Apr 28, 2021 2:58:52 GMT
There really aren’t words. 😢
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 4:00:46 GMT
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 28, 2021 4:27:38 GMT
What. The Actual. Fuck.
I had to turn off the video when the text came up "Watch again as Officer Hopp fractures and dislocates Karen's shoulder."
I know gender shouldn't really make a difference, but am almost more disgusted in the female cop. I would have expected more compassion from her. Hearing her having a good old chuckle about it makes me sick. (@^#$, the lot of them.
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Post by red88 on Apr 28, 2021 4:34:58 GMT
I have no words. I just lost my mother to dementia last week. She was 78. I can't imagine anyone treating her this way.
Again, more police officers out there make it impossible to trust. I'm getting real tired of the "it's just a few bad apples". Currently, there is a lot of bad apples.
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Post by katlaw on Apr 28, 2021 4:46:25 GMT
I would do everything in my power to destroy their careers. No one should ever be treated that way.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 28, 2021 11:55:45 GMT
I am sick from this and all this brutality being uncovered. I was watching Philly DA on PBS, excellent documentary by the way, and the scene of a large gathering of uniformed cops actually made me feel fear. I have been traumatized and changed by all that I see about the pervasiveness of police corruption.
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Apr 28, 2021 12:18:44 GMT
That is horrendous! I guess we should be glad she's white so she didn't get shot? But she was so clearly NOT a threat, not a real escape risk (obviously wasn't moving fast, in a wide open area where she couldn't have hidden), Even cuffing her seems a bit extreme, but there was no reason to be yanking her arms up to inflict additional pain. I haven't watched a lot of body cam video, but it's interesting to me how often (even w/o watching the whole video because it was just too horrid) the cam was obscured - makes you wonder if it was intentional or not.
I was really excited to be headed to Loveland this weekend for an event - and just a change of location. Now, not so much.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Apr 28, 2021 12:22:33 GMT
This makes me sick.
Decades ago, my grandmother, who had dementia, was a wanderer. She would have periods of believing she was a young girl again, not knowing the present date.
I'm pretty sure, had that happened to her, several of her adult children would be facing prison time.
We have a police problem in our country.
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Post by peabay on Apr 28, 2021 13:54:48 GMT
I read a newspaper recount of the video and they described the female as saying "I hate this" and I was proud. I was like "that's right!" Then you watch the video - and she's laughingly saying it. Broke my heart. How could anyone make light of this? How could anyone charged with "serving and protecting" think this was amusing? I know there are good police officers out there - I know them personally. But these people need to be weeded out, sent to jail and never allowed to work with people again.
This isn't "gallows humor" that people have when they've been at their jobs a long time. I know medical doctors, psychologists, lawyers etc... who use inappropriate humor to cope. This is cruelty - wanton cruelty and sadism.
I'm so disgusted.
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Post by Just T on Apr 28, 2021 13:59:44 GMT
This is so horrifying. My mom is 75. She doesn't have dementia, but she is a tiny little thing, and I can't imagine someone, especially those who are supposed to protect us, treating her that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 14:28:27 GMT
My god that body cam video is sickening. What the hell is wrong with these people. You have a serious issue with law enforcement in the US from the very people that are there to defend you. Defend you - that in itself is a joke. It couldn't be further from the truth. And to laugh about it afterwards?- I can't find the words to describe how I feel watching that video.
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Post by Jennifer C on Apr 28, 2021 14:54:34 GMT
My Dad has the start of dementia and this horrifies me.
But my question is, and excuse my ignorance, but I keep such a close eye on my Dad to the point that I'm looking into pinning a tracking device on him every morning when the time comes. I have a tracking app on his phone now. Where were her people? Why was she alone? I understand that she was picking wildflowers by a busy road before going to Walmart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 15:14:15 GMT
My Dad has the start of dementia and this horrifies me. But my question is, and excuse my ignorance, but I keep such a close eye on my Dad to the point that I'm looking into pinning a tracking device on him every morning when the time comes. I have a tracking app on his phone now. Where were her people? Why was she alone? I understand that she was picking wildflowers by a busy road before going to Walmart. Jennifer Sadly it's sometimes impossible to watch them every minute of the day and night. My neighbour had her Mum living with her for a couple of years and it didn't matter how closely Denise watched her and locking all the doors to the outside, Diane would still find a way out and she would even find where Denise had hidden the key. There's been many a time we, the neighbours, have searched the streets for her and it was surprising how far Diane would walk in such a short time. Eventually it became to much for Denise and sadly had to let her mum go live in a secure residential care for the elderly.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 28, 2021 16:02:10 GMT
I have no words. I just lost my mother to dementia last week. She was 78. I can't imagine anyone treating her this way. Again, more police officers out there make it impossible to trust. I'm getting real tired of the "it's just a few bad apples". Currently, there is a lot of bad apples. I’m so sorry for the loss of your mom. It has been ten years this year for me. May your memories of her bring you comfort. Hugs to you and all who loved your mom. As for the story in the OP, that is beyond horrible. WTAF. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of what dementia or Alzheimer’s looks like would know pretty quickly that this poor lady had issues. I would be beyond Pea Livid if something like that would have happened to my mom. I hope her family wins their lawsuit and those horrible cops are held accountable in every way possible.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 28, 2021 16:07:34 GMT
I can't even bring myself to watch the body cam footage. Just the footage of the cop being excited about it... "did you hear the pop? heehee, chuckle, chuckle" (as her shoulder gets dislocated, I imagine) and him being excited that he tackled a 70+ year old woman and threw her to the ground was enough to turn my stomach. I hope the family gets everything they ask for and more, and that the police officers involved get what THEY deserve.  eta: most elderly people are FRAIL physically. No matter what she did-- even if dementia was NOT an issue-- no one that age deserves to be treated in that manner.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 28, 2021 16:26:45 GMT
My Dad has the start of dementia and this horrifies me. But my question is, and excuse my ignorance, but I keep such a close eye on my Dad to the point that I'm looking into pinning a tracking device on him every morning when the time comes. I have a tracking app on his phone now. Where were her people? Why was she alone? I understand that she was picking wildflowers by a busy road before going to Walmart. Jennifer No matter what you do or how hard you try to keep them safe, it can be very difficult to do, especially in the time between discovering there is an issue and realizing you just can’t care for them 100% on your own. My brother lived with my mom for about ten years, and even with some help from me and another brother, it was HARD. In that last year or so at home, her days and nights got all confused. She had serious problems with sun downing where she would sometimes get up in the middle of the night, get dressed thinking it was the next day and once even got so far as out into the driveway before my poor exhausted brother woke up and realized she wasn’t in the house. It’s freaking scary. We arranged for her to go to an adult daycare three days a week just so my brother could SLEEP without worrying that she was going to get out of the house and wander away. Heck after we moved her to the memory care home, my mom was such an awesome escape artist that she even managed to get as far as the front lobby once. She cut off the little wrist GPS thing TWICE (they discovered she had a tiny cuticle nipper in a manicure set in her night stand drawer that she cut the strap off with, and they confiscated it) that kept her from getting in the elevator, and they had to start putting the monitor on her ankle instead where she would obsess over it less. Thank God the place where she lived that last year had door alarms on all the main doors that had to be deactivated with a code or the alarm would go off if anyone tried to open the doors without punching in the code. I have an immense amount of sympathy for anyone caring for someone with dementia or memory issues. It is mentally, physically and emotionally exhausting and I refuse to cast any blame on anyone who is really just trying to do their best by their loved one.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 28, 2021 18:04:39 GMT
It gets harder and harder to defend the police....
My sister had a situation a few days ago in Florida. She needed help and they would not come to her. Two guys harassing her daughter outside Target. These guys literally had lawn chairs next to the store and catcalling and calling out profanity to women. My niece told them to stop and said she was underage. She is. They continued it and the language/content got worse. My sister showed up to help her and the Target security would not come out to help either. My sister felt like she was in some kind of out of body experience. The guys then started filming her in her car and walking around it and saying that the police won't do anything.. finally they showed up but all they did was to tell her to leave. The guys were never told to leave either.
If I was her I might have responded differently and just left. But her thoughts were, they get some girl to talk to them and then the next thing you know someone disappears. She wanted to make sure that these guys were seen by police and security.. no one cared at all. Sickening.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 28, 2021 19:15:15 GMT
But my question is, and excuse my ignorance, but I keep such a close eye on my Dad to the point that I'm looking into pinning a tracking device on him every morning when the time comes. I have a tracking app on his phone now. Where were her people? Why was she alone? I understand that she was picking wildflowers by a busy road before going to Walmart. It sounds like your dad is still going out on his own. A tracking device would not have made a difference to what happened to Karen Garner. She may have even had one on her. My mom would leave the house if she was alone in a room. It frustrated dad who viewed her as "sneaking off" the minute his back was turned, but the reality is mom would find herself sitting in a strange place (her living room of 50 years), not know why she was there and head "home". Dad was okay with it because somehow she did always end up at home in time for dinner. One time mom ended up at the airport, bought a ticket to visit my sister in Whitehorse, changed her mind and asked the ticketing agent where the nearest hotel was. The agent knew something was off but wasn't sure if mom might be running from a DV situation. We are forever grateful that she decided to call the number mom had given otherwise we would never have known this happened because she showed up at the house in time for dinner. I really do wonder what else mom might have done while out on one of her walks. Karen was picking the wildflowers on her way home from Walmart. She is still holding them while getting handcuffed. No matter what she did-- even if dementia was NOT an issue-- no one that age deserves to be treated in that manner.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2021 19:30:45 GMT
My Dad has the start of dementia and this horrifies me. But my question is, and excuse my ignorance, but I keep such a close eye on my Dad to the point that I'm looking into pinning a tracking device on him every morning when the time comes. I have a tracking app on his phone now. Where were her people? Why was she alone? I understand that she was picking wildflowers by a busy road before going to Walmart. Jennifer You have to go to the bathroom once in awhile. And caring for someone is exhausting so falling asleep when you think they are napping isn’t a sin. Notice I said ‘think’ they are napping, my mother was a naughty ‘toddler’ when she had dementia and would pretend to nap then quietly get up and sneak around to eat stuff she thought we wouldn’t let her eat. Truth was she could eat everything in her apartment so it didn’t matter. But it happens that they can get away from you. That does not justify abusing them when they wander off. And it certainly doesn’t justify laughing at the abuse either.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2021 19:42:25 GMT
I could not even finish the video, you can hear her arm break. WTF she wasn’t even violent just confused. And he’s nothing but snotty from the get go, he was making snotty remarks getting out of the car, before even going to her, he made no effort to ascertain what the issue actually was. Then, when she is already secured he breaks her arm. This is not ‘one bad apple’ if they all thought it was funny - it’s not a funny video to watch even if you don’t know she has dementia. She is clearly so confused that she had SOME medical condition or other.
BTW, Walmart could have responded a bit better too. They got their stuff back what was the point in having her roughed up over it - did they not notice how confused she was? You can see in the video she’s clearly confused. Dear Walmart, you keep saying your part of the communities you build in- act like it. Yes theft is wrong but once the person is obviously confused then maybe take a different tack.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2021 19:44:25 GMT
And no ma’am, it was NOT okay what happened
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Post by maryannscraps on Apr 28, 2021 19:56:19 GMT
I read the story but can't watch the video. I just remember my poor confused dad. He just couldn't understand or comprehend. I feel sick at the thought that a police officer could have treated him like that. That poor woman. I hope those officers are fired, but it probably won't happen. Hopefully her family will win a large settlement in the lawsuit -- maybe that will make the town think twice about who they hire to protect their citizens. Asshat bullies.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 28, 2021 20:21:55 GMT
I read the story but can't watch the video. I just remember my poor confused dad. He just couldn't understand or comprehend. I feel sick at the thought that a police officer could have treated him like that. That poor woman. I hope those officers are fired, but it probably won't happen. Hopefully her family will win a large settlement in the lawsuit -- maybe that will make the town think twice about who they hire to protect their citizens. Asshat bullies. I got 2 mins in and couldn’t watch anymore you can audibly hear a crack when he lifts her bent arm impossibly high behind her shoulder. I got ill hearing it and stopped watching. And he didn’t read her her rights? Super sloppy policing. And after, when he’s sitting at that desk he’s ‘a little worried she might be ‘senile’ Um Ya think? I mean she was nothing but confused. She’s got some condition going on making her that confused. You should have thought of that before you broke her arm, genius!
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