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Post by katlady on May 14, 2021 16:30:07 GMT
Now that the US is opening up do you think that if there is another major outbreak Americans will willingly go along with lock downs and masks and all that again?
I just saw that Singapore is once again tightening Covid protocols after an outbreak. A friend in Australia posted a photo showing one minute after mask mandates were put in place, everyone on his commuter train had their masks on.
I really can’t imagine that happening in the US. I think once we open up again, there is no going backwards for us, unless the outbreak is massive. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should have more faith in my fellow Americans.
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Post by Just T on May 14, 2021 16:31:32 GMT
Now that the US is opening up do you think that if there is another major outbreak Americans will willingly go along with lock downs and masks and all that again? Nope. I don't think they will. I know so many people who didn't go along with it last spring. |
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Post by Just T on May 14, 2021 16:32:48 GMT
Maybe I should have more faith in my fellow Americans. Maybe it is because I live in a red state, but I have no faith at all, sadly. |
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Post by jenna on May 14, 2021 16:33:51 GMT
Hell would have to freeze over for the same people who threw tantrums before to even think about going into lockdown again.
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Post by myshelly on May 14, 2021 16:34:42 GMT
We didn’t willingly lock down and wear masks the first time.
Our governor has made it clear that no matter what happens, if things get bad again, etc., we will not go backward and there will be no more shut downs.
But we’ve been pretty much open since last summer and our mask mandate has been gone for months, so when peas talk about just now opening up, etc. it’s kind of hard for me to relate to.
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Post by elaine on May 14, 2021 16:35:27 GMT
Those who followed the mandates the first time would do it again, if necessary. Those who didn’t certainly wouldn’t the second - or third - time around.
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Post by bc2ca on May 14, 2021 16:35:29 GMT
Those that recognize the science behind stay home and mask mandates will co-operate, those that don't, won't.
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Post by schizo319 on May 14, 2021 16:35:47 GMT
Well most people around here didn't *willingly* lock down the first time, so no.
Out of curiosity, what's the vaccination rate in Singapore?
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Post by katlady on May 14, 2021 16:37:45 GMT
Well most people around here didn't *willingly* lock down the first time, so no. Out of curiosity, what's the vaccination rate in Singapore? About 23% fully vaccinated. |
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Post by inkedup on May 14, 2021 16:39:54 GMT
No. We barely locked down the first time.
The "give me NASCAR or give me death" crowd has proven that there is a significant percentage of Americans who value themselves and their need to be entertained more than they value the collective good and the lives of their fellow Americans.
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Post by katlady on May 14, 2021 16:40:07 GMT
Those who followed the mandates the first time would do it again, if necessary. Those who didn’t certainly wouldn’t the second - or third - time around. But do you think there will be more push back now, especially since people are vaccinated or already had Covid? Do you think more people will feel invincible? |
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Post by Why on May 14, 2021 16:45:56 GMT
Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should have more faith in my fellow Americans.   ---------now that's funny. I think many have shown us that. |
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Post by gar on May 14, 2021 16:46:44 GMT
As a tangent, I think the UK population would generally baulk at another full blown national lockdown. I would guess the majority would fall into line for the greater good when push came to shove but there would be a good vocal chunk who wouldn’t. And Boris has said will not be another but who knows 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 16:48:07 GMT
No. They wouldn’t. I am absolutely sure. Although to be fair we didn’t really lock down the first time, so... 😏
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 14, 2021 16:49:10 GMT
Those who followed the mandates the first time would do it again, if necessary. Those who didn’t certainly wouldn’t the second - or third - time around. Those that recognize the science behind stay home and mask mandates will co-operate, those that don't, won't. These are the two best responses on this thread. |
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Post by elaine on May 14, 2021 16:49:58 GMT
Those who followed the mandates the first time would do it again, if necessary. Those who didn’t certainly wouldn’t the second - or third - time around. But do you think there will be more push back now, especially since people are vaccinated or already had Covid? Do you think more people will feel invincible? Probably some more pushback, but I truly do believe it will mostly follow the initial lockdown patterns of compliance. I would mostly follow, but if my mom has to go to the ER again, I will refuse to be forced to wait in my car in the parking lot for 9 hours, while she is confused and texting me. I will insist on going in. (And after talking with a patient relations person on the Monday after this happened, I was told that they should have made an exception for us). Otherwise, I would mask, social distance, dine outside, etc. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 14, 2021 16:52:44 GMT
Unlikely for many states and even the states that have been better (blue states mostly), would likely get more push back.... unless something changed dramatically with a mutation that made it much more scary for the average healthy person. If children and/or younger people start dying like the "out of sight out of mind" elderly; if people start dying in the streets bleeding out internally like Ebola, yes, I think we would lock down willingly, but barring that, it will be an inconsistent shit show.
ETA: As a whole we seem to be very ego-centric and have the emotional maturity, attention-span, empathy and introspection of a middle schooler----- at best.
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Post by Skellinton on May 14, 2021 16:55:16 GMT
Now that the US is opening up do you think that if there is another major outbreak Americans will willingly go along with lock downs and masks and all that again? Nope. I don't think they will. I know so many people who didn't go along with it last spring. Absolutely not. How many people complied the first round? Sure, some states and areas and people did better then others, but clearly for the most part many people didn’t “lock down” last year. I am not even sure anywhere had a real lock down like they did in other countries. I have a relative in NZ and they were only allowed to go a certain distance from their house when they were walking a pet or going to the grocery. If they were out of bounds they would have been given a hefty fine. Remember the Italian mayors yelling at people who were out. Nothing even close to that happened here. |
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Post by katlady on May 14, 2021 16:57:48 GMT
But do you think there will be more push back now, especially since people are vaccinated or already had Covid? Do you think more people will feel invincible? Probably some more pushback, but I truly do believe it will mostly follow the initial lockdown patterns of compliance. I would mostly follow, but if my mom has to go to the ER again, I will refuse to be forced to wait in my car in the parking lot for 9 hours, while she is confused and texting me. I will insist on going in. (And after talking with a patient relations person on the Monday after this happened, I was told that they should have made an exception for us). Otherwise, I would mask, social distance, dine outside, etc. That is awful you and your mom had to go through that. I do worry about that with my mom. She doesn't even have a cell phone. She would have no way to contact me if she went into ER by herself.  |
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 16:58:11 GMT
Unlikely for many states and even the states that have been better (blue states mostly), would likely get more push back.... unless something changed dramatically with a mutation that made it much more scary for the average healthy person. If children and/or younger people start dying like the "out of sight out of mind" elderly; if people start dying in the streets bleeding out internally like Ebola, yes, I think we would lock down willingly, but barring that, it will be an inconsistent shit show. I agree. That’s the only thing I think might change that, if there was a mutation where people who currently feel invincible are vulnerable. |
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Post by mollycoddle on May 14, 2021 16:59:05 GMT
Unless members of my state legislature were to start dropping like flies, I very much doubt it. Heaven forbid that they act responsibly.
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Post by sleepingbooty on May 14, 2021 17:01:33 GMT
I have a relative in NZ and they were only allowed to go a certain distance from their house when they were walking a pet or going to the grocery. If they were out of bounds they would have been given a hefty fine. Remember the Italian mayors yelling at people who were out. Nothing even close to that happened here. The US lockdowns (albeit varying from one state to another) were not at all what the rest of the world experienced. Try living with maximum 1h outside per day and 1km allowance for non-essential reasons. 10km for any kind of grocery shopping. Curfew from 6PM to 6AM. For a couple of months. That's lockdown. You stay put in place, period. Heck, we've been under curfew since October-November 2020. I can't even remember when it started. We were granted 1h extra in late March (7PM instead of 6PM). |
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Post by myshelly on May 14, 2021 17:01:48 GMT
Nope. I don't think they will. I know so many people who didn't go along with it last spring. Absolutely not. How many people complied the first round? Sure, some states and areas and people did better then others, but clearly for the most part many people didn’t “lock down” last year. I am not even sure anywhere had a real lock down like they did in other countries. I have a relative in NZ and they were only allowed to go a certain distance from their house when they were walking a pet or going to the grocery. If they were out of bounds they would have been given a hefty fine. Remember the Italian mayors yelling at people who were out. Nothing even close to that happened here. I do think this is a really good point. We do need to realize/acknowledge that at no point in any state were Americans locked down the way other countries were. We almost need a different word for it. Ours was more like a shut down. Some businesses were forced to close, some businesses were forced to operate at limited capacity, but at no point were the actual restrictions (and I’m not talking about recommendations or rules, I’m talking about mandates backed up by threat of punishment by law enforcement) on individuals anything comparable to other countries. |
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Post by lizacreates on May 14, 2021 17:13:24 GMT
I really can’t imagine that happening in the US. I think once we open up again, there is no going backwards for us, unless the outbreak is massive. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should have more faith in my fellow Americans. The first lockdowns/SIPs were decided and implemented at state level. So the entire US? No…if we have a massive outbreak, then I expect the decisions will be made by guvs again. And to echo others, those who had no problems complying the first go-round will just do the same. I’ll tell you, though, that I’m guessing some guvs who were fine with mandating lockdowns the first time may not be so willing to do so again. The economic damage to their states will be a huge factor. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 14, 2021 17:28:02 GMT
Maybe I should have more faith in my fellow Americans. Maybe it is because I live in a red state, but I have no faith at all, sadly. I don’t live in a red state but I still have no faith at all. |
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Post by mikklynn on May 14, 2021 17:29:59 GMT
No. We barely locked down the first time. The "give me NASCAR or give me death" crowd has proven that there is a significant percentage of Americans who value themselves and their need to be entertained more than they value the collective good and the lives of their fellow Americans.  |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 14, 2021 17:51:19 GMT
I think those that followed the guidelines (and science!) the first time would do so again. Those that didn't, won't.
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Post by workingclassdog on May 14, 2021 17:54:22 GMT
unless something changed dramatically with a mutation that made it much more scary for the average healthy person. If children and/or younger people start dying like the "out of sight out of mind" elderly; if people start dying in the streets bleeding out internally like Ebola, yes, I think we would lock down willingly, but barring that, it will be an inconsistent shit show. people will need to literally die in the streets of something horrible. Like most of us have said, those who did will do again.. those who didn't won't either.. unless they literally see people dying in the streets. |
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Post by finsup on May 14, 2021 18:20:29 GMT
No because we’re a bunch of assholes who couldn’t do it the first time.
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Post by anniebeth24 on May 14, 2021 18:28:38 GMT
My dream is that the governors would come together to really study what worked and what didn't. Then present that info in a non-partisan, clear manner to the public.
There is a lot of confusion around what some perceive as willy-nilly directives, sudden cancelations of directives, this business can be open but not that one, etc. If one state closed gyms, but not hair salons, can they quantify if that was better than a state that closed both? (Made up example) If there isn't more concrete info, we'll have more doubters and more rebellion.
I know you can twist data to write the story you want to tell, but like I said, it's my dream!
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