kelly8875
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Post by kelly8875 on May 14, 2021 18:34:04 GMT
No. America didn't willingly lock down the first time. Most of the people who did lock down mostly did it because they were forced to, not because they were willing.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 14, 2021 18:38:04 GMT
Probably not. I haven’t checked the numbers but I would guess that ours are still higher now than many places where they have much tighter restrictions. Unless it was a really horrible outbreak, I don’t think there will be new restrictions based on the complaints of those on the right. Hopefully we won’t have to find out.
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Post by Country Ham on May 14, 2021 18:48:26 GMT
Those who followed the mandates the first time would do it again, if necessary. Those who didn’t certainly wouldn’t the second - or third - time around. I've followed them, but I am tired.. I feel like the vaccinations were for nothing at this point. I am tired of the hypocrisy, tired of one group keeping their business open and others having to close. Bars open, churches closing etc. one school allows sports, another doesn't. 50% capacity for one venue, 100% for another,,,,
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 14, 2021 18:52:28 GMT
Those who followed the mandates the first time would do it again, if necessary. Those who didn’t certainly wouldn’t the second - or third - time around. I've followed them, but I am tired.. I feel like the vaccinations were for nothing at this point. I am tired of the hypocrisy, tired of one group keeping their business open and others having to close. Bars open, churches closing etc. one school allows sports, another doesn't. 50% capacity for one venue, 100% for another,,,,
What did you think the vaccines were for if you think they have been “for nothing”? Aren’t they still protecting people from the virus? Making it less likely that they will get seriously ill or die? Wasn’t that their main purpose? |
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Post by Country Ham on May 14, 2021 19:07:58 GMT
What did you think the vaccines were for if you think they have been “for nothing”? Aren’t they still protecting people from the virus? Making it less likely that they will get seriously ill or die? Wasn’t that their main purpose? If they were to put us all in lock down again there was no need of being vaccinated. Vaccinations "should" allow people more freedom to safely be around each other. |
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Post by inkedup on May 14, 2021 20:01:12 GMT
What did you think the vaccines were for if you think they have been “for nothing”? Aren’t they still protecting people from the virus? Making it less likely that they will get seriously ill or die? Wasn’t that their main purpose? If they were to put us all in lock down again there was no need of being vaccinated. Vaccinations "should" allow people more freedom to safely be around each other. Don't blame vaccines for surges in the virus, blame the unvaccinated. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on May 14, 2021 20:33:09 GMT
If they were to put us all in lock down again there was no need of being vaccinated. Vaccinations "should" allow people more freedom to safely be around each other. Don't blame vaccines for surges in the virus, blame the unvaccinated. With one caveat: the efficacy of the vaccine(s) used to vaccinate, especially in the face of new variants. That's the unfortunate tale of the world's most-vaccinated country right now, Seychelles, where the Chinese vaccine Sinopharm and AstraZeneca constitute the bulk of the vaccine shield of the population. |
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Post by magellen on May 14, 2021 22:15:09 GMT
I’m not sure how to state this:
Only those people who have jobs that they can work from home would be able to survive another lock down.
Those who still work in the blue collar / minimum wage industries won’t.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 22:20:41 GMT
What did you think the vaccines were for if you think they have been “for nothing”? Aren’t they still protecting people from the virus? Making it less likely that they will get seriously ill or die? Wasn’t that their main purpose? If they were to put us all in lock down again there was no need of being vaccinated. Vaccinations "should" allow people more freedom to safely be around each other. That's provided that there's a high % of the population vaccinated and the US overall is nowhere near that % yet. The more the virus is out there and the more people that catch it, the more likely it is to mutate. So far, the vaccines have been effective against all the variants that we know of but the more it circulates the more likely it is to mutate to a variant that will be resistant to the vaccines. The vaccines are effective but it's also important to control the spread to avoid mutations. |
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Post by Peal on May 14, 2021 23:07:43 GMT
Americans didn't willingly lock down the first time.
However, a second time wouldn't have Trump running the show, so it's possible it might turn out better.
But no. It would be so, so ugly.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 14, 2021 23:10:36 GMT
HAHAHAHA!!! (cynical laughter)
ahhh... let me catch my breath.
Nope. Most Americans are too selfish and 'me, me, me' oriented. It was bad enough the first time (I don't consider what we went thru in Arizona to be an actual *lockdown*) so I think quite a few Americans would resist it kicking and screaming, like a toddler temper tantrum.
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Post by kokomo on May 14, 2021 23:16:54 GMT
Well we are in lock down again. I don’t think they did it right the first time . This time it is much stricter but our problem is the slow role out of the vaccine . Most people are waiting for their second shot Because our supply was so low they have changed the time between the two vaccines to 4 months. We have just started vaccinating the 40 year old group. Just started vaccinating teachers 2 weeks ago. Our ICU are at 96% full of Covid patients. Those nurses don’t even have their second vaccinations. I live in Ontario Canada by the way
This Monday I am starting to help out by giving vaccinations . I have the time and have the skill , but not sure I’ll enjoy 12 hr days again. I will do what I can as I am so tired of Covid. My granddaughter turns one tomorrow. She lives 15 mins away . I have held her twice . It makes me so sad
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Post by hop2 on May 15, 2021 0:12:39 GMT
We did not actually ‘lock down’ the first time
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Post by refugeepea on May 15, 2021 0:18:59 GMT
We've never been collectively agreeable about anything. The last time we probably truly came together as a nation was 09/11. SSDD if there is a lock down again.
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Post by monklady123 on May 15, 2021 0:27:19 GMT
No. America didn't willingly lock down the first time. Most of the people who did lock down mostly did it because they were forced to, not because they were willing. I don't think that's true, not as a sweeping statement anyway. In my area we did what was asked of us because it was what we all had to do to keep everyone safe. In a sense we were "forced" to by the virus, but we did it because we knew we had to. But of course I live in a very Democratic area with people who didn't turn a pandemic into a political thing. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 15, 2021 1:09:25 GMT
What did you think the vaccines were for if you think they have been “for nothing”? Aren’t they still protecting people from the virus? Making it less likely that they will get seriously ill or die? Wasn’t that their main purpose? If they were to put us all in lock down again there was no need of being vaccinated. Vaccinations "should" allow people more freedom to safely be around each other. Theoretically, yes it should. But that kind of freedom mostly comes with a decent amount of herd immunity, a lot of places in this country will never reach. Unfortunately. |
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Post by CardBoxer on May 15, 2021 1:20:11 GMT
My dream is that the governors would come together to really study what worked and what didn't. Then present that info in a non-partisan, clear manner to the public. There is a lot of confusion around what some perceive as willy-nilly directives, sudden cancelations of directives, this business can be open but not that one, etc. If one state closed gyms, but not hair salons, can they quantify if that was better than a state that closed both? (Made up example) If there isn't more concrete info, we'll have more doubters and more rebellion. I know you can twist data to write the story you want to tell, but like I said, it's my dream Great dream! Of course many governors would not agree because they have to pander to their base to be reelected, and their base is anti science, anti mask, etc. To the OP’s question, given that there are now shops that do not allow vaccinated people in because vaccinated people cause shedding of vaccines, which interferes with women’s reproductive systems (!!) is a good indicator that we would never have the cooperation and agreement needed here that some other countries have had. Bhutan is a tiny, poor country that has had one death (unless that’s changed since Feb. 2021) because of the attitude of their citizens and government leadership - if I recall, two of their three leaders are doctors. I read the article a while back: www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/coronavirus-pandemic-bhutan/617976/ |
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2021 1:24:31 GMT
If the science said that was necessary, I would do it, though I would hate every minute of it and I’m not sure there’s enough Zoloft in the world ... hahaha.
I don’t think the US or Texas in general would do it. And I feel fairly certain that as a teacher, I’d be required to work in person no matter what. They won’t lock down schools again here.
I know it is not just teachers who feel this, but forgoing every other good thing in life while also being required to work with large groups of people in small, poorly ventilated spaces is pretty soul-killing. Especially when people keep telling you to stop whining and think of the economy.
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Post by pixiechick on May 15, 2021 1:26:03 GMT
My dream is that the governors would come together to really study what worked and what didn't. Then present that info in a non-partisan, clear manner to the public. There is a lot of confusion around what some perceive as willy-nilly directives, sudden cancelations of directives, this business can be open but not that one, etc. If one state closed gyms, but not hair salons, can they quantify if that was better than a state that closed both? (Made up example) If there isn't more concrete info, we'll have more doubters and more rebellion. I know you can twist data to write the story you want to tell, but like I said, it's my dream! I agree with doing a study. Of course job loss, loss of health insurance. How many businesses were permanently closed? I read that at one point a while ago, it was 60%. How many suicides, drug overdoses and how much domestic violence rose because of the lockdowns? And there's a lot more that needs to be looked at before we should consider doing it this way again. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 1:43:54 GMT
Those who followed the mandates the first time would do it again, if necessary. Those who didn’t certainly wouldn’t the second - or third - time around. I agree with Elaine. Those of us who "behaved" and did as directed would do what needed to be done again. Those who are selfish will continue to be so. Unfortunately... |
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Post by pierkiss on May 15, 2021 1:45:37 GMT
No. I don’t think even the most liberal of the states would impose a lockdown again. The economic impact alone would be unbearable. Nope.
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Post by stampinchick on May 15, 2021 3:29:10 GMT
I don't think we'll ever have people willing to do the lock down of so much and honestly, I would hope we've learned that we shouldn't shut down everything. My elderly mother is now having problems and her doctor attributes a lot of it to being in isolation for so long because of the lockdowns. Her doctor told me that he has been seeing so many elderly who are suffering the emotional stresses of being without in-person interaction for so long. We can never do that again to the elderly. I certainly hope we've learned enough to know that keeping grandma isolated in the name of being safe isn't safe at all.
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 15, 2021 3:33:01 GMT
No I don’t think they would. Too many don’t believe it was really that bad and it was just the flu.
Would I yes.
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Post by chaosisapony on May 15, 2021 4:14:41 GMT
I really don't think we ever locked down much to begin with. To me, a real lock down wouldn't have had massive lines of people waiting to get inside Home Depot every day. In my area people were pretty compliant with cancelling gatherings like weddings and baby showers and things but they still had their kids meeting up for play dates, met up for to go coffees with friends, most everyone still went to work in the office, etc. Even those that could easily stay home really didn't. They just went to "essential" places only. So no, I don't think Americans would comply with doing this all over again because we did a shitty job of it the first time.
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Post by peatlejuice on May 15, 2021 4:25:41 GMT
Having not read any replies, my answer is that Americans never really locked down, willingly or otherwise, in the first place. I mean, yes, some states made restrictions so tight that their citizens basically had nothing else to do but lock down, but then you had states like mine that did the bare minimum, and didn't even really enforce the minimums. People in my state still cried and fussed over what little "rules" we did have, so there's no way they'd ever lock down willingly.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 15, 2021 13:11:34 GMT
What did you think the vaccines were for if you think they have been “for nothing”? Aren’t they still protecting people from the virus? Making it less likely that they will get seriously ill or die? Wasn’t that their main purpose? If they were to put us all in lock down again there was no need of being vaccinated. Vaccinations "should" allow people more freedom to safely be around each other. You do realize this thread is hypothetical, right?and as others said, if your only reason to get the vaccine was to reach herd immunity, it would be beneficial to talk to your friends and family about also getting vaccinated to avoid surges in the future. |
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Post by juanita on May 15, 2021 13:19:02 GMT
We are still in lockdown here in Nova Scotia. They just extended the date till June 1. It is refreshing to read that things are opening up south of the border. I just got my first shot yesterday. I feel we are very behind with getting needles in arms.
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Post by whipea on May 15, 2021 14:16:18 GMT
Ha! As mentioned we never really locked down. Even pathetic attempts by some cities in US states were undermined by their psychotic leaders - talking to you Florida!
Plus, how could people ever survive for a few months without going to bars, Disney or getting manicures! Astounding selfishness, who cares if "other" people die, I need to go to Disney World!
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2021 17:01:41 GMT
If they were to put us all in lock down again there was no need of being vaccinated. Vaccinations "should" allow people more freedom to safely be around each other. You do realize this thread is hypothetical, right?and as others said, if your only reason to get the vaccine was to reach herd immunity, it would be beneficial to talk to your friends and family about also getting vaccinated to avoid surges in the future. Of course I do. I don't need to talk to anyone around me as we are all vaccinated even the teenagers. |
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2021 17:10:33 GMT
We are still in lockdown here in Nova Scotia. They just extended the date till June 1. It is refreshing to read that things are opening up south of the border. I just got my first shot yesterday. I feel we are very behind with getting needles in arms. I am from Nova Scotia (X grad even) and all my family still live there. My dad and sister got their first shot but have to wait till august for their second. |
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