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Post by aj2hall on May 23, 2021 13:10:58 GMT
People who had Covid and are waiting could fall into the first category, wait and see.
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Post by iowgirl on May 23, 2021 13:15:59 GMT
The "cost anxious" one surprised me. The COVID vaccine is free in Australia. How much do you have to pay to get it in the US? And what about other countries - do you have to pay? For us, it is the cost in time. And it is a fine line... Right now, neither my husband or I can afford any down time for being sick. We work everyday of the week right now during planting and spraying time. DH has no time at all to drive 30 minutes to get the vaccine, the time it would take to get it, and then get home and back at work. Then, if there were side effects that knocked him down - that would be catastrophic. I also work everyday, but it would be easier for me to sneak away for an hour or two, but the down time of recovery (if that was necessary) isn't feasible at this moment. We also realize that having Covid could potentially be worse, so it is a calculated risk at this moment for us. We have nearly zero contact outside our bubble at this time. Our life is consumed with getting the seed in the ground. We don't go anywhere and we don't see anyone. This is normal!  |
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Post by sassyangel on May 23, 2021 15:44:02 GMT
That's still not a covid skeptic. Sure it is. They are basing their behavior on what they think, not what science and experts have determined. Clearly skeptics. Yep, skeptics who think they know better. ‘Natural’ immunity doesn’t offer any protection against variants and wanes quicker than immunity provided by the vaccine. 🤷🏼♀️ |
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Post by lizacreates on May 23, 2021 16:50:25 GMT
What about those with needle phobia (trypanophobia)? I don’t know how common that is but I do have a relative who hasn’t gotten the vaccine because of this. I’ve offered to go with her and hold her hand but she’s still uncertain.
Also, how about those whose religions don’t necessarily prohibit vaccines but discourage medical intervention?
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Post by pixiechick on May 23, 2021 18:10:35 GMT
Sure it is. They are basing their behavior on what they think, not what science and experts have determined. Clearly skeptics. Yep, skeptics who think they know better. ‘Natural’ immunity doesn’t offer any protection against variants and wanes quicker than immunity provided by the vaccine. 🤷🏼♀️ Not so true. From an article titled: COVID-19 variants pose new threats but our antibodies are evolving to fight them"Will the antibodies we make after being infected with or vaccinated against the dominant lineage, called D614G, protect us against future viral variants? To answer this question, scientists have been examining how our antibody responses to the coronavirus develop over time. Several studies have recently compared the difference between antibodies produced straight after a coronavirus infection and those that can be detected six months later. The findings have been both impressive and reassuring. Although there are fewer coronavirus-specific antibodies detectable in the blood six months after infection, the antibodies that remain have undergone significant changes. Researchers have tested their ability to bind to proteins from the new coronavirus variants and found that 83% of the “mature” antibodies were better at recognising the variants. A recent preprint (a study that is yet to undergo peer review) also found that some antibodies present six months after infection were starting to be able to recognise related, but entirely distinct viruses, such as the coronavirus that causes Sars. How is this possible? Quite simply because the B cells that make antibodies evolve after they are first activated. While it is well known that viruses can mutate over time, our own B cells can also take advantage of mutations to make superior antibodies. & www.news-medical.net/news/20210428/Recovered-COVID-19-patients-show-signs-of-long-term-immunity.aspx |
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Post by chances on May 23, 2021 19:03:10 GMT
I’m very glad to read about this approach. As much as people have been shouting “I believe in science!”, there seems to be a general lack of relying on social science information. We have a ton of research on structural barriers, racism in the medicine, how people learn and evaluate information, we should put that knowledge to use!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 23, 2021 23:22:23 GMT
19% are Covid skeptics in Ohio. Wonderful. The national average is 14%. Way to go, Ohio. Yes a bunch of dumbasses here. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 23, 2021 23:25:08 GMT
I read a story of someone quite sick and in the hospital getting ready to be put on a vent who was angry and still in denial. That one person you read about is not the category of people I was describing. The people I was describing, do acknowledge that it does indeed exist. Therefore they can not be described as skeptics, yet they were not included in a category. I simply wonder why they weren't. Likely because the antibody doesn’t last forever—right now data has it at about 6 months from the time you’ve had covid. |
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Post by pixiechick on May 27, 2021 1:17:27 GMT
Yep, skeptics who think they know better. ‘Natural’ immunity doesn’t offer any protection against variants and wanes quicker than immunity provided by the vaccine. 🤷🏼♀️ Not so true. From an article titled: COVID-19 variants pose new threats but our antibodies are evolving to fight them"Will the antibodies we make after being infected with or vaccinated against the dominant lineage, called D614G, protect us against future viral variants? To answer this question, scientists have been examining how our antibody responses to the coronavirus develop over time. Several studies have recently compared the difference between antibodies produced straight after a coronavirus infection and those that can be detected six months later. The findings have been both impressive and reassuring. Although there are fewer coronavirus-specific antibodies detectable in the blood six months after infection, the antibodies that remain have undergone significant changes. Researchers have tested their ability to bind to proteins from the new coronavirus variants and found that 83% of the “mature” antibodies were better at recognising the variants. A recent preprint (a study that is yet to undergo peer review) also found that some antibodies present six months after infection were starting to be able to recognise related, but entirely distinct viruses, such as the coronavirus that causes Sars. How is this possible? Quite simply because the B cells that make antibodies evolve after they are first activated. While it is well known that viruses can mutate over time, our own B cells can also take advantage of mutations to make superior antibodies. & www.news-medical.net/news/20210428/Recovered-COVID-19-patients-show-signs-of-long-term-immunity.aspx |
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 27, 2021 14:36:17 GMT
How are they skeptics of covid if they not only acknowledge it exists, but also that they contracted the virus, and have the antibodies from the the thing that they acknowledge does exist? Because you stated that " they dont feel the need" to be vaccinated. That is very different than "they sre required to wait" DH is friends with someone on Facebook who falls into this category. She adamantly believes that since she and everyone in her family already had Covid when it ran rampant through her *home daycare* that they don’t need to get the vaccine. They also don’t feel the need to social distance from her 90+ year old FIL (who also likely didn’t get the vaccine) or wear masks.  She spouts other Trumpian inspired conspiracy theories on the regular. It’s because of people who proudly and vocally believe things like that that make me feel like we’ll never get to herd immunity status in this country. |
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Post by pixiechick on May 27, 2021 18:35:31 GMT
Not so true. From an article titled: COVID-19 variants pose new threats but our antibodies are evolving to fight them"Will the antibodies we make after being infected with or vaccinated against the dominant lineage, called D614G, protect us against future viral variants? To answer this question, scientists have been examining how our antibody responses to the coronavirus develop over time. Several studies have recently compared the difference between antibodies produced straight after a coronavirus infection and those that can be detected six months later. The findings have been both impressive and reassuring. Although there are fewer coronavirus-specific antibodies detectable in the blood six months after infection, the antibodies that remain have undergone significant changes. Researchers have tested their ability to bind to proteins from the new coronavirus variants and found that 83% of the “mature” antibodies were better at recognising the variants. A recent preprint (a study that is yet to undergo peer review) also found that some antibodies present six months after infection were starting to be able to recognise related, but entirely distinct viruses, such as the coronavirus that causes Sars. How is this possible? Quite simply because the B cells that make antibodies evolve after they are first activated. While it is well known that viruses can mutate over time, our own B cells can also take advantage of mutations to make superior antibodies. & www.news-medical.net/news/20210428/Recovered-COVID-19-patients-show-signs-of-long-term-immunity.aspx She adamantly believes that since she and everyone in her family already had Covid when it ran rampant through her *home daycare* that they don’t need to get the vaccine. other Trumpian inspired conspiracy theories |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 28, 2021 17:40:03 GMT
Yep, skeptics who think they know better. ‘Natural’ immunity doesn’t offer any protection against variants and wanes quicker than immunity provided by the vaccine. 🤷🏼♀️ Not so true. From an article titled: COVID-19 variants pose new threats but our antibodies are evolving to fight them"Will the antibodies we make after being infected with or vaccinated against the dominant lineage, called D614G, protect us against future viral variants? To answer this question, scientists have been examining how our antibody responses to the coronavirus develop over time. Several studies have recently compared the difference between antibodies produced straight after a coronavirus infection and those that can be detected six months later. The findings have been both impressive and reassuring. Although there are fewer coronavirus-specific antibodies detectable in the blood six months after infection, the antibodies that remain have undergone significant changes. Researchers have tested their ability to bind to proteins from the new coronavirus variants and found that 83% of the “mature” antibodies were better at recognising the variants. A recent preprint (a study that is yet to undergo peer review) also found that some antibodies present six months after infection were starting to be able to recognise related, but entirely distinct viruses, such as the coronavirus that causes Sars. How is this possible? Quite simply because the B cells that make antibodies evolve after they are first activated. While it is well known that viruses can mutate over time, our own B cells can also take advantage of mutations to make superior antibodies. & www.news-medical.net/news/20210428/Recovered-COVID-19-patients-show-signs-of-long-term-immunity.aspx I think there is something between "I had Covid and I am immune so I don't need a vaccine" and "I had covid, so I may have some long-term immunity, and it looks promising, but that science is emerging and we just don't know yet." If you are not getting the vaccine now, you are either vaccine hesitant or anti-vax. Getting the vaccine after having covid is a variable you can control. If you have had Covid, you MAY have long lasting antibodies, but you may not. The vaccine gives you a controlled dose and will do nothing to hurt your chances against another exposure to covid and its variants. Why would you not get it unless you have misgivings about the vaccine? Yes, I had Covid and so did my kids and DH. My DH and I are fully vaccinated, and my boys each have their first dose. I have confidence in the vaccine and figure it will only help my immune system fight. |
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Post by pixiechick on May 28, 2021 22:35:07 GMT
Not so true. From an article titled: COVID-19 variants pose new threats but our antibodies are evolving to fight them"Will the antibodies we make after being infected with or vaccinated against the dominant lineage, called D614G, protect us against future viral variants? To answer this question, scientists have been examining how our antibody responses to the coronavirus develop over time. Several studies have recently compared the difference between antibodies produced straight after a coronavirus infection and those that can be detected six months later. The findings have been both impressive and reassuring. Although there are fewer coronavirus-specific antibodies detectable in the blood six months after infection, the antibodies that remain have undergone significant changes. Researchers have tested their ability to bind to proteins from the new coronavirus variants and found that 83% of the “mature” antibodies were better at recognising the variants. A recent preprint (a study that is yet to undergo peer review) also found that some antibodies present six months after infection were starting to be able to recognise related, but entirely distinct viruses, such as the coronavirus that causes Sars. How is this possible? Quite simply because the B cells that make antibodies evolve after they are first activated. While it is well known that viruses can mutate over time, our own B cells can also take advantage of mutations to make superior antibodies. & www.news-medical.net/news/20210428/Recovered-COVID-19-patients-show-signs-of-long-term-immunity.aspx I think there is something between "I had Covid and I am immune so I don't need a vaccine" and "I had covid, so I may have some long-term immunity, and it looks promising, but that science is emerging and we just don't know yet." If you are not getting the vaccine now, you are either vaccine hesitant or anti-vax. Getting the vaccine after having covid is a variable you can control. If you have had Covid, you MAY have long lasting antibodies, but you may not. The vaccine gives you a controlled dose and will do nothing to hurt your chances against another exposure to covid and its variants. Why would you not get it unless you have misgivings about the vaccine? Yes, I had Covid and so did my kids and DH. My DH and I are fully vaccinated, and my boys each have their first dose. I have confidence in the vaccine and figure it will only help my immune system fight. The goal is ‘immunity,’ and not necessarily or solely ‘vaccination.’ So, someone who already has achieved immunity not needing or even wanting to be injected with immunity they already have doesn't make them antivax. Since they'd get vaccinated if they weren't already immune. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 29, 2021 6:00:39 GMT
I think there is something between "I had Covid and I am immune so I don't need a vaccine" and "I had covid, so I may have some long-term immunity, and it looks promising, but that science is emerging and we just don't know yet." If you are not getting the vaccine now, you are either vaccine hesitant or anti-vax. Getting the vaccine after having covid is a variable you can control. If you have had Covid, you MAY have long lasting antibodies, but you may not. The vaccine gives you a controlled dose and will do nothing to hurt your chances against another exposure to covid and its variants. Why would you not get it unless you have misgivings about the vaccine? Yes, I had Covid and so did my kids and DH. My DH and I are fully vaccinated, and my boys each have their first dose. I have confidence in the vaccine and figure it will only help my immune system fight. The goal is ‘immunity,’ and not necessarily or solely ‘vaccination.’ So, someone who already has achieved immunity not needing or even wanting to be injected with immunity they already have doesn't make them antivax. Since they'd get vaccinated if they weren't already immune. Well, you certainly “do rhetoric” like an anti vaxxer. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 29, 2021 12:56:24 GMT
The goal is ‘immunity,’ and not necessarily or solely ‘vaccination.’ So, someone who already has achieved immunity not needing or even wanting to be injected with immunity they already have doesn't make them antivax. Since they'd get vaccinated if they weren't already immune. The people I know would NOT voluntarily get the vaccine no matter what, and have said as much. The person I was mentioning that had Covid already was railing in a Facebook post about the possibility of the government or employers requiring the vaccine in order to return to work or school, etc. And further, if the body’s natural immune response to having had Covid is always so awesome, how do you explain the people who have contracted it more than once? |
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Post by smasonnc on May 29, 2021 13:37:41 GMT
I'll add a fifth category. Lazy dumbasses. My brother-in-law just got to my house for a week and announced that he hasn't gotten the vaccine because he hasn't had time. He's had time to go to bars. He lives within walking distance of two pharmacies and a grocery store.
Yeah. I'm pissed. If DH & I weren't vaccinated, I would have knocked his head off.
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Post by sunshine on May 29, 2021 13:37:44 GMT
The goal is ‘immunity,’ and not necessarily or solely ‘vaccination.’ So, someone who already has achieved immunity not needing or even wanting to be injected with immunity they already have doesn't make them antivax. Since they'd get vaccinated if they weren't already immune. The people I know would NOT voluntarily get the vaccine no matter what, and have said as much. The person I was mentioning that had Covid already was railing in a Facebook post about the possibility of the government or employers requiring the vaccine in order to return to work or school, etc. And further, if the body’s natural immune response to having had Covid is always so awesome, how do you explain the people who have contracted it more than once?Likewise, if the vaccine is always so awesome, how do you explain the people who have contracted Covid after being fully vaccinated?
There's always going to be individuals that will get sick twice, or get sick after being vaccinated-nothing is 100%. New data is promising in that some people that had Covid are still showing natural immunity which I'd think would be welcomed news, not dismissed as yet another supposed conspiracy theory or whatever descriptive is being used for the day. It's really a head scratcher the picking and choosing which science people want to believe.
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Post by pixiechick on May 29, 2021 13:48:12 GMT
The goal is ‘immunity,’ and not necessarily or solely ‘vaccination.’ So, someone who already has achieved immunity not needing or even wanting to be injected with immunity they already have doesn't make them antivax. Since they'd get vaccinated if they weren't already immune. The people I know would NOT voluntarily get the vaccine no matter what, and have said as much. The person I was mentioning that had Covid already was railing in a Facebook post about the possibility of the government or employers requiring the vaccine in order to return to work or school, etc. And further, if the body’s natural immune response to having had Covid is always so awesome, how do you explain the people who have contracted it more than once? From the CDC Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare. Also you can get covid after you've been fully vaccinated. The vaccines aren't even 100% effective.
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Post by pixiechick on May 29, 2021 13:50:39 GMT
The goal is ‘immunity,’ and not necessarily or solely ‘vaccination.’ So, someone who already has achieved immunity not needing or even wanting to be injected with immunity they already have doesn't make them antivax. Since they'd get vaccinated if they weren't already immune. Well, you certainly “do rhetoric” like an anti vaxxer. Following the science is not rhetoric or antivax. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 29, 2021 15:34:52 GMT
The people I know would NOT voluntarily get the vaccine no matter what, and have said as much. The person I was mentioning that had Covid already was railing in a Facebook post about the possibility of the government or employers requiring the vaccine in order to return to work or school, etc. And further, if the body’s natural immune response to having had Covid is always so awesome, how do you explain the people who have contracted it more than once? From the CDC Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare. Also you can get covid after you've been fully vaccinated. The vaccines aren't even 100% effective.
No one is disputing that. All I’m saying is why not use ALL the tools we have in the toolbox to help beat this virus down for good? I haven’t seen any research suggesting that people who have previously contracted Covid should skip getting vaccinated. In fact, everything I have heard, read and seen suggests the opposite, that everyone who is able to get vaccinated should get vaccinated. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html?s_cid=10482:vaccine%20after%20covid%20infection:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21 |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 29, 2021 15:55:25 GMT
Well, you certainly “do rhetoric” like an anti vaxxer. Following the science is not rhetoric or antivax. Here is a good summary of the actual science. link (Tik Tok) You are cherry-picking. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 29, 2021 16:15:28 GMT
And this is why I have her blocked and will never engage her. I have no interest in feeding into her clear agenda of (again) rabidly trolling this place. It’s the same, every single time she returns. 🙄😒 It’s rather annoying that blocking her, doesn’t stop me seeing her quoted, repeatedly.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 29, 2021 16:33:43 GMT
And this is why I have her blocked and will never engage her. I have no interest in feeding into her clear agenda of (again) rabidly trolling this place. It’s the same, every single time she returns. 🙄😒 It’s rather annoying that blocking her, doesn’t stop me seeing her quoted, repeatedly. I’m not here enough anymore to recognize her. Sorry. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 29, 2021 17:01:06 GMT
And this is why I have her blocked and will never engage her. I have no interest in feeding into her clear agenda of (again) rabidly trolling this place. It’s the same, every single time she returns. 🙄😒 It’s rather annoying that blocking her, doesn’t stop me seeing her quoted, repeatedly. I’m not here enough anymore to recognize her. Sorry. It’s ok. It wasn’t a dig at you at all, I just saw in a quote, that she’d responded to me and wanted her to know not to bother. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 6, 2021 23:40:06 GMT
Following the science is not rhetoric or antivax. Here is a good summary of the actual science. link (Tik Tok) You are cherry-picking. It IS actual science that is showing that if you had the virus you have the antibodies and that they are long lasting. You can choose to get the vaccine anyway or choose not to. New studies are showing you are just as safe with natural antibodies as you are with the vaccine antibodies. I'm not sure what the objection to that science is. |
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She spouts other Trumpian inspired conspiracy theories on the regular. It’s because of people who proudly and vocally believe things like that that make me feel like we’ll never get to herd immunity status in this country.
