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Post by craftgranny on Jun 14, 2021 15:51:40 GMT
I'm noticing a lot of card makers are decorating their envelopes for their cards. Kristina Werner does a lot of envelope art and Juicy Christians on IG. Just curious the weight of paper that people are using? 65 pound? Watercolor paper? I like the looks of the envelopes and they really add a nice touch to go with a handmade card!
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 14, 2021 17:18:03 GMT
I think it would help if you included a link to some samples, so we can see what kind of envelope art you mean.
I often stamp in my envelope and color the image, sometimes line the envelope with patterned paper, but that is about the extent of what I do. If there is something more that is in vogue, I’d love to see some examples.
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Post by craftgranny on Jun 14, 2021 17:43:54 GMT
I think it would help if you included a link to some samples, so we can see what kind of envelope art you mean. I often stamp in my envelope and color the image, sometimes line the envelope with patterned paper, but that is about the extent of what I do. If there is something more that is in vogue, I’d love to see some examples. Good Suggestion- Not sure if you follow Youtube or IG but just type in Kristina Werner Envelope Art on Youtube Kristina Werner Envelope Art
Juicy Christians on IG- Juicy Christians
Wondering about the type of cardstock that works well and if anyone has been doing this. I think they are pretty! Attachments:
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Post by don on Jun 14, 2021 21:31:19 GMT
I tend to use just paper. I use a Scor-Pal to make the same envie she does, except I cut off the extra piece of the bottom flap. Her deco's though are just fantastic. I just use a hint of the theme of the card on the side so as to not confuse the Letter Sorting Machine at the Post Office.
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Post by grammadee on Jun 14, 2021 21:36:07 GMT
I don't do any fancy work like that on the envelope. Sometimes just stamp a Happy Birthday on the flap of an ordinary envelope.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 15, 2021 4:17:54 GMT
It looks like her envelope art may be more decorative than her cards, based on the sample that you posted. Thanks for posting that. I will look up Kristina Warner on YouTube. I’m not on Instagram. As for weight, I try to stick to paper or light weight card stock for my envelopes, and thinner patterned paper for the lining. The more it weighs, the more the postage. Stamping and coloring images on the envelopes gives a nice touch, and doesn’t take that much extra time, but I keep the images small. If you aren’t into stamping, you can print a small image on the lower left corner on the addressed side of your envelope without it being overwhelming. Thinner, store bought envelopes work better for this. Below is an example of one I did (envelope is behind the card, left side), with a Goofy image I got off the internet, then colored with Copics. Envelope art does make the card a bit more special.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 15, 2021 15:33:48 GMT
I'm noticing a lot of card makers are decorating their envelopes for their cards. Kristina Werner does a lot of envelope art and Juicy Christians on IG. Just curious the weight of paper that people are using? 65 pound? Watercolor paper? I like the looks of the envelopes and they really add a nice touch to go with a handmade card! Kristina’s envelopes (and cards) can be works of art, can’t they? She’s been doing calligraphy and lettering since in elementary school and has a BA in graphic design. I merely aspire for a legible address, but sometimes stamp, mainly in the lower left corner of the address side - sometimes getting fairly close to the address - and continuing around to the other side. Any paper that folds without cracking/breaking can work: very light cardstock, patterned paper, resume paper (like heavy copy paper, sometimes with a light texture. I made an envelope last night that I stamped on using old Studio Calico 12x12 slightly textured cream colored paper that might qualify as light cardstock since it had to be scored several times with a very light hand to prevent cracking. I almost spritzed it with water. But purchased envelopes can work too, just need to make sure the medium used can be handled by the envelope. If into coloring (not me), colored pencils work even on inexpensive, light weight envelopes. Coincidentally Kirstina’s blog landed in my mailbox a few minutes ago, and she demonstrates painting on a big word die and refers to how a similar technique could be done with mail art. Interesting also since she doesn’t generally used pattern paper. www.kwernerdesign.com/blog/painted-diecut-greeting-patterned-paper/
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 15, 2021 18:21:17 GMT
After looking up her videos, I have to agree that Kristina Werner’s envelopes really are works of art. Most are not my style, but they are impressive and must take a fair amount of time.
So, back to the paper used.....what art supplies you choose will also be a factor if you want your envelopes to hold up and not disintegrate during the creative process.
I hope those who give envelope art a try will share their creations on this board.
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Post by craftgranny on Jun 15, 2021 19:52:27 GMT
Thanks gang for all the great input! Yes, I agree the type of paper is going to be determined by if you use watercolors, Distress Inks or Sprays, Archival inks or paints. In practicing to make just the envelopes, I found if I went over 65 pound paper that the scoring and folding was harder. I have loads of paper from Neenah in 65, 80 and 110, Distress Heavy Stock, Mixed Media, Watercolor, Astrobrights colored papers, copy paper, watercolor papers and printed papers. I would like to use up the printed papers 12x12 as I really prefer to make my own backgrounds these days. Then the 12 x 12 paper gets used. I often do some stamping on the envelope to add something to the card but I'm really loving these beautiful envelopes! My handwriting is the worst though and I'm trying to learn a little calligraphy. I ordered the address label stencil to stay within the lines! LOLZ! Otherwise I'm going to have to print out a label! These beautiful envelopes really add a lot to your handmade cards and I'm starting now to try to get a jump on Halloween and Christmas. I'll post my progress and hope others will join in too!
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 15, 2021 20:59:39 GMT
Thanks gang for all the great input! Yes, I agree the type of paper is going to be determined by if you use watercolors, Distress Inks or Sprays, Archival inks or paints. In practicing to make just the envelopes, I found if I went over 65 pound paper that the scoring and folding was harder. I have loads of paper from Neenah in 65, 80 and 110, Distress Heavy Stock, Mixed Media, Watercolor, Astrobrights colored papers, copy paper, watercolor papers and printed papers. I would like to use up the printed papers 12x12 as I really prefer to make my own backgrounds these days. Then the 12 x 12 paper gets used. I often do some stamping on the envelope to add something to the card but I'm really loving these beautiful envelopes! My handwriting is the worst though and I'm trying to learn a little calligraphy. I ordered the address label stencil to stay within the lines! LOLZ! Otherwise I'm going to have to print out a label! These beautiful envelopes really add a lot to your handmade cards and I'm starting now to try to get a jump on Halloween and Christmas. I'll post my progress and hope others will join in too! craftgranny, you might enjoy and have an easier time with hand lettering rather than calligraphy, which is more precise and specific. Lettering classes and books are around; if you’d like suggestions, it came up in another thread that someone will know about or I’ll try to find, or googling brings up a lot. I have a book that’s very user friendly and encouraging, not that I stuck with it. www.amazon.com/gp/product/1624143857/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1I enrolled in a go-at-your-own-pace on-line lettering class once though again, didn’t stick with it, but really liked the instructor. She gave links to practice paper that can be printed out like the paper kids learn to write - the two dark lines with the dotted line in between. I use an IBM Selectric that has different font balls directly onto the envelope or if too thick type them and stick them on. Or if much larger is wanted, print them out from the computer like you said.
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Post by tealpaperowl on Jun 16, 2021 17:00:38 GMT
I always make my envelope match my card. If I'm watercoloring then yes watercolor paper (I love arches).
Otherwise I use Neenah 110lb cardstock. I can use copics, pens, colored pencils, etc on there.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 19, 2021 18:04:11 GMT
I always make my envelope match my card. If I'm watercoloring then yes watercolor paper (I love arches). Otherwise I use Neenah 110lb cardstock. I can use copics, pens, colored pencils, etc on there. Exact Index (at big box office supply stores) or Classic Crest (often for card bases and some techniques)? 110 lb. Classic Crest seems awfully thick for envelopes - 297 gsm, vs. Exact Index 110 lb. being 199 gsm, so much lighter and more bendy. And much less expensive. But we do fold Classic Crest for bases, so maybe you’re using it for a substantial envelope? (Info in parentheses is for new card makers since confusion is out there. Once at a real life class a visiting instructor said she didn’t know why card makers liked Neenah so much, which was a hint she was talking about Exact Index. Not that it’s bad - I use it for some die cutting or layering, just depends.)
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Post by anniefb on Jun 19, 2021 21:00:25 GMT
I don't do anything fancy on envelopes - sometimes a small bit of stamping to tie in with the card, sometimes just some washi tape.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 19, 2021 21:45:07 GMT
I don't do fancy envelopes, or even colored envelopes. I love making cards but struggle to do more than that. Even writing in them can be a challenge at times! I know I "should" line or stamp my envelopes to match, but I just don't think of it. And I can't do fancy lettering. Straight is my goal and I use a guide for that and am still often disappointed with how it looks. I use a heavier weight envelope from clearbags that seems more appropriate to my cards than the cheaper envelopes that are a little see-through, especially if the card has layers or embellishments. They are 70lb text weight (which is not the same as the weights used in cardstock - Neenah 80lb cover weight is a LOT heavier than a 70lb text weight envelope). The colored envelopes from Gina K seem to be a good weight. I got some in a giveaway once. Definitely depends on what you want to do on them. If I do make an envelope I usually use single sided patterned paper with the fancy side inside.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jun 20, 2021 15:35:04 GMT
I don't do fancy envelopes, or even colored envelopes. I love making cards but struggle to do more than that. Even writing in them can be a challenge at times! I know I "should" line or stamp my envelopes to match, but I just don't think of it. And I can't do fancy lettering. Straight is my goal and I use a guide for that and am still often disappointed with how it looks. I use a heavier weight envelope from clearbags that seems more appropriate to my cards than the cheaper envelopes that are a little see-through, especially if the card has layers or embellishments. They are 70lb text weight (which is not the same as the weights used in cardstock - Neenah 80lb cover weight is a LOT heavier than a 70lb text weight envelope). The colored envelopes from Gina K seem to be a good weight. I got some in a giveaway once. Definitely depends on what you want to do on them. If I do make an envelope I usually use single sided patterned paper with the fancy side inside. I don’t think you should should yourself. Not decorating is 100% fine. And I’m with you about uber-lightweight envelopes. I like my cards in nice envelopes that announce they’re not standard mail. Yet I’m thrilled when a card arrives in any envelope. For a different take on decorating I often use several low value (aka vintage, unused) stamps that color match the envelope or fit the receiver. Like a vintage nurse stamp along with an out-of-date slightly less than full value stamp for a nurse friend, or “freedom of press” and voting rights stamps around election time. It means paying more for stamps, but there are good deals out there. Etsy is a go-to and stamps can also be bought in color batches with different denominations. Comparison shop. Once I found a sheet of stamps I liked on one site that cost four times more than on another. I don’t mail scads of cards so it’s not burdensome. Sometimes I use a pretty forever stamp and still add a fun vintage stamp, like 1-10 cent ones that match. Kristina Werner made me do it. And sometimes I make a partial envelope liner out of patterned paper that covers most of the flap and goes down part way into the envelope. Dies are sold but envelopes vary, so an envelope can be unstuck, traced, and the insert cut slightly smaller, plus then you have a template or example.
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Post by craftgranny on Jun 21, 2021 18:51:17 GMT
I don't do fancy envelopes, or even colored envelopes. I love making cards but struggle to do more than that. Even writing in them can be a challenge at times! I know I "should" line or stamp my envelopes to match, but I just don't think of it. And I can't do fancy lettering. Straight is my goal and I use a guide for that and am still often disappointed with how it looks. I use a heavier weight envelope from clearbags that seems more appropriate to my cards than the cheaper envelopes that are a little see-through, especially if the card has layers or embellishments. They are 70lb text weight (which is not the same as the weights used in cardstock - Neenah 80lb cover weight is a LOT heavier than a 70lb text weight envelope). The colored envelopes from Gina K seem to be a good weight. I got some in a giveaway once. Definitely depends on what you want to do on them. If I do make an envelope I usually use single sided patterned paper with the fancy side inside. I don’t think you should should yourself. Not decorating is 100% fine. And I’m with you about uber-lightweight envelopes. I like my cards in nice envelopes that announce they’re not standard mail. Yet I’m thrilled when a card arrives in any envelope. For a different take on decorating I often use several low value (aka vintage, unused) stamps that color match the envelope or fit the receiver. Like a vintage nurse stamp along with an out-of-date slightly less than full value stamp for a nurse friend, or “freedom of press” and voting rights stamps around election time. It means paying more for stamps, but there are good deals out there. Etsy is a go-to and stamps can also be bought in color batches with different denominations. Comparison shop. Once I found a sheet of stamps I liked on one site that cost four times more than on another. I don’t mail scads of cards so it’s not burdensome. Sometimes I use a pretty forever stamp and still add a fun vintage stamp, like 1-10 cent ones that match. Kristina Werner made me do it. And sometimes I make a partial envelope liner out of patterned paper that covers most of the flap and goes down part way into the envelope. Dies are sold but envelopes vary, so an envelope can be unstuck, traced, and the insert cut slightly smaller, plus then you have a template or example.
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Post by craftgranny on Jun 21, 2021 18:57:03 GMT
Cardboxer, I like those vintage stamps that Kristina Werner uses. I've started buying stamps online and like to match the stamp to the card if I can. Halloween and Christmas stamps are my favorite! Thank you for suggesting the lettering books as I got some today at a great price on Amazon because it is prime day! I'm going to try it out to add to my envelope art! Juicy Christians on IG has many beautiful envelope art projects! Check out this latest envelope! Stunning! juicy Christians envelope art
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Post by mcjunkin on Jun 28, 2021 14:40:29 GMT
Tim Holtz brought Juicy Christian in as a maker with his latest Stampers Anonymous release. She makes some neat stuff!!
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