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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 9, 2021 19:53:23 GMT
This is strictly a story from someone close to me. Not disclosing for personal matters. And no it is 100% not me or DH. Going to try to keep from getting to wordy.
1. "Joe" works for a company that has a zero tolerance for drugs. Joe doesn't do drugs. (we will come back to this)
2. Joe got rear ended while working. Joe is 100% not at fault.
3. Next day Joe is feeling the effects from the accident and goes to hospital and fills out all necessary paperwork for company.
4. Joe's company is making him take a drug test. (why?? but whatever)
5. Joe has cancer..prostate cancer. He has two options.. go in for surgery and take a pretty big risk in losing feeling and all that in his pen!s. Or since the cancer is contained he can take some kind of natural treatment (THC or whatever you call it, I'm not up to date on the exact name) to help keep it contained (it is contained and could live like that forever without it spreading). He chose the treatment since it has not spread. This is subscribed by his doctor. Has to go back every six months to be checked and so far everything is good. The drugs doesn't affect his ability to work, drive or whatnot..
NOW to this:
6. Does Joe tell the company his condition and be up front although the company will not bend rules at all. He WILL get fired. His boss, his boss' boss will be on his side and be mad for him but there is nothing they can do.
7. Does Joe not tell the company and by some small miracle his drug test will come back negative. (Which really it won't.)
8. Does Joe take something that might block whatever is in his system before the test. (Apparently there is stuff that might help) If the company finds out he will get fired but he will get fired anyways if he didn't do this.
9. Get an attorney but although looking at this state's rules, really nothing they do is going to help.
Life really sucks. I can't go into more detail. This was a discussion with someone as they are just at the end of the rope on this. Any day now the company will be making that appointment.
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Post by katlady on Jul 9, 2021 20:01:55 GMT
What a tough situation. Is medical marijuana legal in your state? That may help his cause. I don’t know what I would do. Good luck to your friend!
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jul 9, 2021 20:05:00 GMT
It's completely routine that he take a drug test after being in an work related accident. Any workman's comp/HR dept will require it.
And while is sucks, marijuana is not legal on a federal level, and yes if that comes back positive, the company has every right to fire him.
He can hire an attorney, but it won't hold up, it is pretty much every companies policy that drugs are not tolerated.
If he needs to use THC to keep his cancer in check, he most likely needs to go on permanent disability.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jul 9, 2021 20:22:23 GMT
Gosh. I would probably talk to an attorney to get advice, not regarding how to keep Joe’s job because it sounds like he’s probably going to be fired regardless, but to protect Joe from other liabilities. If a drug test comes back positive could Joe be liable for the accident, and if so would his insurance cover him, etc.
I feel for him, but he broke the rules and now will have consequences. That doesn’t make it any easier though and this is probably the last thing he needs while dealing with cancer. I hope it works out ok for him.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 9, 2021 20:27:30 GMT
What a tough situation. Is medical marijuana legal in your state? That may help his cause. I don’t know what I would do. Good luck to your friend! It is legal where this person lives.. but the company rules has a zero tolerance. Doesn't matter if your life depends on it. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 9, 2021 20:30:43 GMT
He totally understands what he has done. He accepts whatever happens. Literally he is using this to save his life. What do you do? His girlfriend and him just trying to discuss different options trying to figure out how to get out of this mess. She is probably more freaked out than he is.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jul 9, 2021 20:41:53 GMT
I really think he needs to contact an attorney.
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Post by juanita on Jul 9, 2021 21:21:58 GMT
I think that if it is legal in his state, and it is a Dr prescription than would it not be discrimination against him to fire him.
I would definitely get a lawyer.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jul 9, 2021 21:24:06 GMT
I think that if it is legal in his state, and it is a Dr prescription than would it not be discrimination against him to fire him. I would definitely get a lawyer. Perhaps if Joe had been upfront with his employer from the beginning. But he was not, and now he can be fired for the deception, nevermind the policy violation. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 9, 2021 21:30:38 GMT
Joe will likely be fired anyway once he fails the drug test, so he may as well be upfront with HR now and tell the truth. They might make an exception in his case because of the cancer. If they don't, then accept it and find another job. Worrying about it or trying to find ways of beating the test is just not helpful.
Cancer patients are protected from discrimination under the Americans with Disabilities Act, but not patients who are taking medical marijuana even in states that allow it. That's because it's a Schedule 1 drug under federal law. At the state level, there are only about a dozen or so states that have employee anti-discrimination laws for those taking medical marijuana, but from your post, it seems Joe already looked into that. So, I’d say just be honest.
(Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “subscribed.” Did you mean to say the doctor prescribed medical marijuana? Because if he did, that’s illegal for doctors to do even in states where medical marijuana is legal. A doctor can recommend, but not prescribe.)
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 9, 2021 21:31:03 GMT
If Joe was on the clock and driving is part of his job and the test comes back positive, then they should fire him. In cases where driving is involved the policy from the insurance will dictate that the employee no longer be driving.
Joe needs a job where there is no driving involved and no drug tests.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 9, 2021 21:41:40 GMT
Joe needs to be looking for another job.
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Post by scorpeao on Jul 9, 2021 22:16:28 GMT
Option 8 since he will be fired anyway.
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Post by summer on Jul 9, 2021 22:27:31 GMT
Joe needs to find a new job that doesn’t drug test if he plans to continue taking drugs. You say Joe doesn’t do drugs, but he does. Regardless of the reason, he is using a drug that will fail the drug test. He absolutely should not take something else in hopes of masking this drug on his drug test. I totally understand why they have to drug test their drivers especially after an accident.
Also if I were him I would not count on a natural treatment for cancer. I’d at least look into surgery/radiation/chemo whatever is appropriate for his cancer treatment. Everyone I know who chose a non traditional natural route for their cancers died within a year or so. I don’t know why he thinks his cancer can’t spread on this natural treatment. From my understanding prostrate cancer can have a high survival rate if caught and treated early.
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Post by ameslou on Jul 9, 2021 22:28:07 GMT
I would lawyer up.
The more time between the accident and the drug test, the less the test will relate to the accident.
Who knows, Joe could be the poster child for changing laws around medical marijuana.
I’d also start looking for another job, stat.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 9, 2021 22:36:34 GMT
Laws regarding medical cannabis and employment vary from state to state, so Joe should consult with an attorney versed in cannabis law.
In my state, for example, cannabis is legal in my state both recreational and medical. An employer can fire someone for medical cannabis use, but that employee will be able to collect unemployment. Other states may be different.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 9, 2021 23:33:13 GMT
Joe needs to find a new job that doesn’t drug test if he plans to continue taking drugs. You say Joe doesn’t do drugs, but he does. Regardless of the reason, he is using a drug that will fail the drug test. He absolutely should not take something else in hopes of masking this drug on his drug test. I totally understand why they have to drug test their drivers especially after an accident. Also if I were him I would not count on a natural treatment for cancer. I’d at least look into surgery/radiation/chemo whatever is appropriate for his cancer treatment. Everyone I know who chose a non traditional natural route for their cancers died within a year or so. I don’t know why he thinks his cancer can’t spread on this natural treatment. From my understanding prostrate cancer can have a high survival rate if caught and treated early. I can’t comment nor say much else about it…. I don’t want to put anymore info out there. I’m just trying to get different advise or maybe something that has been overlooked. I have nothing to do with Joe’s medical issues at this point |
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Jul 9, 2021 23:52:41 GMT
There is nothing on the market that will legitimately clear/ mask THC from a drug test. Tell him not to waste his money.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jul 10, 2021 0:38:02 GMT
Do they even produce the same result on a screening? I thought that most of the medical marijuana/cannabis products are marketed because they do not contain the same "active" as your recreational dope. So if they have different metabolites that show up, then perhaps it won't be a problem.
Although this is also the first time I'm hearing of marijuana in any form being recommended to contain prostate cancer.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jul 10, 2021 0:42:08 GMT
If the employer holds any federal government contracts (for example, Medicare reimbursements), employer must be a drug-free workplace. Since marijuana is still federally illegal, employer may not have an option to excuse employee’s drug use, even if prescribed by a physician.
So it may not be as simple as an employer just not wanting to be compassionate about the situation. Their hands may be tied by compliance requirements of their federal contracts.
Joe needs to find a job where the employer doesn’t have federal contracts and permits employee use with a prescription. He is probably in better shape to voluntarily disclose all the facts to his employer. They may allow him to gracefully resign.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 10, 2021 0:44:02 GMT
Although this is also the first time I'm hearing of marijuana in any form being recommended to contain prostate cancer. THIS.....I think "joe" is not getting proper medical care. |
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Post by voltagain on Jul 10, 2021 0:49:25 GMT
If he is taking CBD oil it might not show up. Then again, depending on how much he is taking it might. THC will show up. CBD oil is supposed to be no more than .3% thc in most states.
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Post by MichyM on Jul 10, 2021 0:54:43 GMT
Do they even produce the same result on a screening? I thought that most of the medical marijuana/cannabis products are marketed because they do not contain the same "active" as your recreational dope. So if they have different metabolites that show up, then perhaps it won't be a problem. Although this is also the first time I'm hearing of marijuana in any form being recommended to contain prostate cancer. I just did some brief reading, and cannabinoids sound like they show some promise. From THIS PAGE on the NIH website: ETA: Recent evidence suggests that cannabinoids are powerful regulators of cell growth and differentiation [22]. They have demonstrated anti-tumor effects in experimental models by decreasing the viability, proliferation, adhesion, and migration of various cancer cells [23,24,25]. Therefore, cannabinoids can be potentially used in the treatment of prostate, glioma, and breast cancers, as well as immune-related malignancies |
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 10, 2021 9:20:21 GMT
Although this is also the first time I'm hearing of marijuana in any form being recommended to contain prostate cancer. THIS.....I think "joe" is not getting proper medical care. Exactly! I had to look up what THC is, and then spent the next ten minutes scratching my head wondering why the hell Joe is taking THC instead of seeking legitimate cancer treatment (that won't result in the loss of his job) like the millions of other prostate cancer patients worldwide. But, that's not the question, so...... 🤷♀️ I wish Joe the best of luck. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 9:53:57 GMT
Although this is also the first time I'm hearing of marijuana in any form being recommended to contain prostate cancer. There are studies going on at the effect of chemicals in cannabis, called cannabinoids, on prostate cancer cells. There are two main cannabinoids that have been investigated – THC -tetrahydrocannabinol (sp?) and CBD (cannabidiol). The studies found that cannabinoids may stop prostate cancer cells from growing and dividing, cause prostate cancer cells to die, and stop prostate cancer cells from invading other tissues and spreading. But these studies have only looked at prostate cancer cells grown in laboratories or in mice. There’s a long way to go in understanding whether there might be similar effects in patients. Cells can behave very differently in humans, so they need proper clinical trials in humans to see if cannabinoids could be officially and approved for used to treat prostate cancer. They also don’t yet understand the mechanism by which the cannabinoids prevent prostate cancer cells from growing or dividing either. In the OP's case " Joe" is taking alternative medicine and it really doesn't matter who prescribed it. As far as his employer is concerned his drug taking is no different to any other employee. |
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Post by Gravity on Jul 10, 2021 12:25:03 GMT
“Joe” needs a new job and a new doctor. Steve Jobs relied on natural treatments to cure his pancreatic cancer. Look where that got him.
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Post by Baseballmom23 on Jul 10, 2021 16:36:19 GMT
In your original post about "joe" you didn't sound exactly sure what he was taking. If he is taking a drug with THC, then he would be getting a high and therefore in my opinion shouldn't be operating a vehicle. For my cancer my dr told me I could take CBD but without THC. Granted my cancer is different than his.
As for something to mask the drug test results, when I work and someone was drug tested if they took something like that, those drugs would be detected and it would be considered a positive test result and they were subject to further testing.
Best of luck to Joe & I think he should be looking for a second opinion.
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Post by kitkath on Jul 10, 2021 16:52:23 GMT
In your original post about "joe" you didn't sound exactly sure what he was taking. If he is taking a drug with THC, then he would be getting a high and therefore in my opinion shouldn't be operating a vehicle. For my cancer my dr told me I could take CBD but without THC. Granted my cancer is different than his. As for something to mask the drug test results, when I work and someone was drug tested if they took something like that, those drugs would be detected and it would be considered a positive test result and they were subject to further testing. Best of luck to Joe & I think he should be looking for a second opinion. He could be taking it after working hours. The problem is it will still show up in his blood, I think for 30 days? |
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 10, 2021 17:04:31 GMT
Do they even produce the same result on a screening? I thought that most of the medical marijuana/cannabis products are marketed because they do not contain the same "active" as your recreational dope. So if they have different metabolites that show up, then perhaps it won't be a problem. Although this is also the first time I'm hearing of marijuana in any form being recommended to contain prostate cancer. Same. My husband has prostate cancer at 42, and since he was so young, all treatment options were presented. Nothing like this was ever mentioned. My guess is he’s taking chemo for the cancer, and using the thc to relieve the side effects. But I thought it was the cbd that did that, not the thc. Sorry, but something seems fishy with Joe’s story. |
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Post by its me mg on Jul 10, 2021 17:06:58 GMT
I think that if it is legal in his state, and it is a Dr prescription than would it not be discrimination against him to fire him. I would definitely get a lawyer. Perhaps if Joe had been upfront with his employer from the beginning. But he was not, and now he can be fired for the deception, nevermind the policy violation. To be fair do you tell your employer about your current meds? |
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