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Post by whopea on Nov 19, 2014 15:30:31 GMT
Two pull quotes: Full article is here. Interesting stuff. I can't understand how this is sustainable.
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peabay
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Post by peabay on Nov 19, 2014 15:34:38 GMT
I'm as socially liberal as they come, but I vary from my party when it comes to this - I agree with the article. I do believe that the upper middle class pays way more taxes than they should. Now - when we get to the super-rich, you may lose me, but upper middle? They get hit hard.
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Post by carly on Nov 19, 2014 15:38:14 GMT
A person making 2 million dollars a year pays 55% of his/her earnings to government. Is that enough? That's about $1,000,900 USD. Should it be even more? Countries around the world are wanting for rich people to move into them. Think--> 1% of American taxpayers shell out over 40% of ALL federal taxes. If they leave the country who will pick up the tab? You? As of now, 43% of Americans pay 0% of federal taxes. NADA! Is that fair?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 19, 2014 16:58:12 GMT
Ahhhh, yea that bottom percent is my sister. She loves to play the tax game because she always wins! She gets a nice tax refund and takes a yearly vacation on it. She is often underemployed and after she makes her needed hours she is unemployed.
It was nice the one year she let our dd go to Disney World with her. Dh and I are firmly middle class and don't feel we can afford a DW vacation for our family.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 19, 2014 17:02:11 GMT
I have relatives (I will not be more specific because who knows who tracks me down on here) who are worth tens of millions of dollars who pay literally nothing in taxes. It is a long story that involves business bankruptcy and giving personal loans to the business, but they did some "excellent" tax planning that permits them to amass wealth and earn income tax-free. It is completely legal. I'm surprised stories like theirs do not get more media play.
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Post by carly on Nov 19, 2014 22:18:53 GMT
You may know one or two people but the majority rules.
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Post by stingfan on Nov 19, 2014 23:02:14 GMT
MD instituted a 'millionaire' tax. So 1/3 of the millionaires simply left the state. So rather than filling a budget gap, the state actually collected $100 million LESS in taxes from this group that year. They have since lowered that rate when they realized what a stupid decision it was. I doubt you can get them to come back to the state though. Who would when they can easily relocate to VA, WV, or PA? So, on a smaller scale, it was not sustainable.
It's definitely harder to leave a country than a state though...
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Post by sugarmama on Nov 19, 2014 23:14:22 GMT
It really won't be sustainable when Obama signs his executive orders for the illegals.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 19, 2014 23:14:49 GMT
MD instituted a 'millionaire' tax. So 1/3 of the millionaires simply left the state. So rather than filling a budget gap, the state actually collected $100 million LESS in taxes from this group that year. They have since lowered that rate when they realized what a stupid decision it was. I doubt you can get them to come back to the state though. Who would when they can easily relocate to VA, WV, or PA? So, on a smaller scale, it was not sustainable. It's definitely harder to leave a country than a state though... Seattle (or King County) is talking about doing that and I've wondered if it will just drive that money away 
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Nov 20, 2014 0:26:53 GMT
The study included transfer payments from feder, state, and local governments. However, it only included tx payments to the federal government. State and local taxes were not considered (property taxes, sales tax, real estate transfer taxes, usage fees/taxes), and those taxes are typically highly regressive, i.e. A much higher percentage of the income for lower income households than for higher income households.
When you include the regressive taxes in the calculations, you reduce the disparity between the tax rates/benefits.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2014 0:27:48 GMT
MD instituted a 'millionaire' tax. So 1/3 of the millionaires simply left the state. So rather than filling a budget gap, the state actually collected $100 million LESS in taxes from this group that year. They have since lowered that rate when they realized what a stupid decision it was. I doubt you can get them to come back to the state though. Who would when they can easily relocate to VA, WV, or PA? So, on a smaller scale, it was not sustainable. It's definitely harder to leave a country than a state though... Seattle (or King County) is talking about doing that and I've wondered if it will just drive that money away 
hopefully it will! they deserve to have the rich people leave.
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