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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 13:46:22 GMT
"The finish line of the men’s triathlon Monday morning looked something like a battlefield scene, bodies sprawled out on ground, trainers coming to the aid of overheated athletes, even a few being helped off with their arms draped over shoulders. This despite the Olympics moving the start time to 6:30 a.m. in an effort to beat the heat that, as these Tokyo Games have proven, remains undefeated. Temps still reached 85 degrees with a relative humidity of 67.1 percent at start time. No, the Japanese don’t have to apologize for the weather here — the searing sun, the sky high temps, the pea-soup humidity. No one tells Mother Nature what to do. But as athletes continue to wilt and wither in these conditions, they do owe everyone an apology for this much: They lied like hell about it. “With many days of mild and sunny weather, this period provides an ideal climate for athletes to perform their best.” This quote comes from Japan’s official proposal to host the 2020 Summer Olympics. Mild? Ideal? Here in Tokyo in July?... “Playing in extreme heat and humidity, it’s very challenging,” said Serbian tennis star Novak Djokovic. “It’s something we’ve known coming into Tokyo, we heard and expected the conditions would be very tough, but before you come here and experience that, you don’t really know how difficult it is.” These are, literally, the finest athletes in the world. When they say it’s difficult, it’s difficult. Tokyo is, depending how you measure it, the largest city in the world, with a metro population of over 34 million. It is modern, friendly, beautiful and clean. It’s an incredible place. Except for this time of year. And they knew it, but claimed otherwise anyway, even boasting they’d provide a place “where athletes can perform at their best.” The last time Tokyo hosted the Summer Games was 1964. It was held in October to avoid just these kinds of conditions. That made sense.... The Summer Games start between mid-July and late-August now because these months produce far higher television ratings around much of the world. That’s especially true in the United States, when NBC doesn’t have to compete with the NFL, college football, the start of the school year or much else. Since money always talks with the IOC, here we are. Athlete concerns might have mattered back in 1964. That was then. This is billions. So Japan put out a bid with a farcical vision of idyllic summer days, like a soft breeze through Northern Wisconsin. And the IOC just pretended not to notice and nodded right along with it. “What [is] the penalty, if any, for false advertising,” the Japan Times wondered almost a decade ago. Whatever it is, it appears it’s the athletes who are paying it." sports.yahoo.com/japan-lied-about-the-weather-and-now-olympians-are-paying-the-price-010612634.html"Novak Djokovic and Daniil Medvedev - the world’s top two men’s tennis players - led calls to organizers on Saturday to move matches to the late afternoon for the rest of the competition to save players from the stifling conditions. World No. 2 Medvedev suggested moving all matches to the evening." english.alarabiya.net/sports/2021/07/25/Intense-heat-humidity-at-Tokyo-Olympics-may-force-games-to-be-rescheduled-Will they heed the athletes, or the advertisers?
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jul 26, 2021 13:59:21 GMT
Always the mighty dollar, or yen, or Euro. Whatever it is, money ALWAYS wins.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 26, 2021 14:02:33 GMT
And track and field, athletics, haven't even started.
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Post by elaine on Jul 26, 2021 14:07:40 GMT
And track and field, athletics, haven't even started. I’m watching tennis right now. Men’s matches often last 3 hours. Can you imagine having to function at the top of your game in a very physically demanding sport for 3 hours straight in that heat? What a nightmare.
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 26, 2021 14:09:30 GMT
I was thinking about this when I saw the end of the triathlon. wow. Too bad the last leg of that race wasn't the swimming.
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Jul 26, 2021 14:11:53 GMT
I read somewhere that there is a possible typhoon coming in as well.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 26, 2021 14:12:48 GMT
I was thinking about this when I saw the end of the triathlon. wow. Too bad the last leg of that race wasn't the swimming. They would have been happy for other reasons. I just heard a media boat got in the way and disrupted the start. They had to pick up the swimmers and take them back to the start.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 26, 2021 14:13:29 GMT
elaine you are so right about the tennis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:24:11 GMT
Weather data for the years 2008-2016 and did a plot of the cities who have hosted the last 10 summer olympics to compare that stretch against each other. "What is the IOC doing about the heat? The IOC has made several moves to deal with the expected conditions. The longer track races will be run in the evenings, when it is cooler. Morning rugby games will end before noon. Most recently they announced the marathon and race walk – signature events – will be moved from Tokyo to Sapporo, 500km north." www.nocoaljapan.org/heat-waves-tokyo-olympics/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:36:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:40:12 GMT
I read somewhere that there is a possible typhoon coming in as well. Yep, they've postponed the rowing until at least Wednesday because of the expected typhoon.
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Post by pjaye on Jul 26, 2021 14:47:32 GMT
’m watching tennis right now. Men’s matches often last 3 hours. Can you imagine having to function at the top of your game in a very physically demanding sport for 3 hours straight in that heat? 85deg F? That's nothing. They play the Australian open here in January/feb, right in the middle of summer and centre court temp can get as high as 44deg C (111deg F). Djokovic has won the Aussie Open NINE times and under conditions much worse than Japan right now, so I don't know why he's complaining about it all of a sudden (apart from the fact that he seems to like to complain about a lot of things)
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jul 26, 2021 14:51:15 GMT
To be fair, it always looks like that after a triathlon. People sprawled all over. I don't see how the next Summer Olympics, which i think are in LA? right? will be any better for heat?
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Post by pinklady on Jul 26, 2021 14:51:46 GMT
Daily weather numbers have been recorded for decades. With the internets, anyone could have looked at weather patterns in July in Tokyo to get a pretty damn good idea of what the weather would look like today. I'm not blaming anyone for this. Does anyone think the weather in July in 2028 24 in Los Angeles is going to be any better? I don't because in Sam Kinison's famous words "it's a desert". Any place north of the 91 freeway is hot as balls in the summer.
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Post by katlady on Jul 26, 2021 14:59:37 GMT
To be fair, it always looks like that after a triathlon. People sprawled all over. I don't see how the next Summer Olympics, which i think are in LA? right? will be any better for heat? We don’t have the humidity that Japan has. I’ve been to Japan in July/August. It is down right miserable. The minute you step outside, you are already sweating. Not saying it won’t be hot, this summer has been on the hot side, but without the humidity, LA does cool down as the sun goes down. I thought it was crazy to hold the Olympics in July in Japan!
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2021 15:19:10 GMT
To be fair, it always looks like that after a triathlon. People sprawled all over. I don't see how the next Summer Olympics, which i think are in LA? right? will be any better for heat? I'm pretty sure Paris is next.
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Post by Zee on Jul 26, 2021 15:20:49 GMT
I wonder if anything good happens in your world. Ever?
I live in Atlanta, I'm out in the heat running every day, and I'm nowhere near an Olympic level triathlete. I'm unmoved by this non-issue. Everyone with internet access knows what the temperature and weather conditions are in Tokyo in summer.
Did you know they had the Olympics here once? Are you still outraged over it? I bet it was hot and humid and some athletes got really hot and sweaty. 🙄
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2021 15:23:32 GMT
I was thinking about this when I saw the end of the triathlon. wow. Too bad the last leg of that race wasn't the swimming. They would have been happy for other reasons. I just heard a media boat got in the way and disrupted the start. They had to pick up the swimmers and take them back to the start. yeah, the boat was like in the middle of the entry point and when the start went off it spead up to get out of the way, but a good chunk of swimmers couldn't jump in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 15:25:53 GMT
To be fair, it always looks like that after a triathlon. People sprawled all over. I don't see how the next Summer Olympics, which i think are in LA? right? will be any better for heat? We don’t have the humidity that Japan has. I’ve been to Japan in July/August. It is down right miserable. The minute you step outside, you are already sweating. Not saying it won’t be hot, this summer has been on the hot side, but without the humidity, LA does cool down as the sun goes down. I thought it was crazy to hold the Olympics in July in Japan! Exactly. And why I included comparative data.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jul 26, 2021 15:29:32 GMT
those temps and that humidity numbers are not really that alarming to me. In my youth on Guam, humidity was in the high nineties and temps were higher than Japan's. I was a field and track runner and it was not an issue. When the Olympics were in high altitudes, the athletes practiced in higher altitudes and were prepared. I am sure they did the same for these conditions. If they didn't than shame on them. Don't blame Japan. everyone knew what the conditions would be and should have been prepared.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jul 26, 2021 16:25:11 GMT
’m watching tennis right now. Men’s matches often last 3 hours. Can you imagine having to function at the top of your game in a very physically demanding sport for 3 hours straight in that heat? 85deg F? That's nothing. They play the Australian open here in January/feb, right in the middle of summer and centre court temp can get as high as 44deg C (111deg F). Djokovic has won the Aussie Open NINE times and under conditions much worse than Japan right now, so I don't know why he's complaining about it all of a sudden (apart from the fact that he seems to like to complain about a lot of things)LMAO he sure does, doesnt he!
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Post by tracylynn on Jul 26, 2021 16:26:35 GMT
I honestly don't understand the concern over temps in the 80's and some humidity.
The US Track and Field Olympic Trials held in Oregon in June were in the 90's and 100's (air temp, doesn't include "feel like" temps).
These are athletes who should understand how to hydrate and take care of themselves.
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Post by birukitty on Jul 26, 2021 19:52:50 GMT
You know how people complain how hot and humid Washington DC is in July/August? Well that's exactly what it's like in Tokyo, Japan in July and August. You walk outside and it's like a wet, sticky blanket has been thrown over you. The first time I went to Japan was in August of 1984 (decades ago) and I was surprised how much the weather was so much like Washington DC. No, I obviously wasn't doing Olympic type athletics in it, but it didn't stop me from exploring Tokyo and all of the other tourist sites. I imagine with global warming it's gotten even worse. The second time I went to Japan I went in May-perfect weather.
Still, the point is this weather shouldn't have been a surprise for anyone with a bit of common sense and the ability to do a bit of research. Even without an internet connection you could look up these statistics in any travel book.
While I do agree the Japan's official host who lied about the weather and said, "with many days of MILD and sunny weather, this period provides the IDEAL climate for athletes to perform their best" bears responsibility for misleading whoever decides where the games are hosted, it's too late now. I do think he/she should be penalized, lose their job and be fined extensively.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 26, 2021 20:09:10 GMT
I am sympathetic to the athletes. However, as others have said, IOC most likely did their own research and knew what the climate would be like before they chose Tokyo. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, I think it’s unlikely they relied solely on those trying to sell Tokyo. Beach volleyball players from the US trained in Orlando to help them prepare for Tokyo. avp.com/news/summer-update-what-are-the-athletes-up-to/
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Post by elaine on Jul 26, 2021 20:20:18 GMT
’m watching tennis right now. Men’s matches often last 3 hours. Can you imagine having to function at the top of your game in a very physically demanding sport for 3 hours straight in that heat? 85deg F? That's nothing. They play the Australian open here in January/feb, right in the middle of summer and centre court temp can get as high as 44deg C (111deg F). Djokovic has won the Aussie Open NINE times and under conditions much worse than Japan right now, so I don't know why he's complaining about it all of a sudden (apart from the fact that he seems to like to complain about a lot of things) In all due respect, there is a huge difference between 6% humidity - typical during Australian Open tennis - and 60+% humidity in Tokyo right now. I grew up in a part of Los Angeles where the summer temps are typically over 110 degrees - the temps at centre court at the Australian Open - yet, with the humidity so low, it was a pleasure to visit my mom in summers compared to the temps here at home in DC with humidity over 50%. I will gladly take 115 degree dry heat over 85 degree humid heat (50+%) any day. That said, everyone is competing in the same conditions, so it is fair. And the IOC knew what they were agreeing to when they handed the Olympics to Japan. I still think that it *is* a nightmare for the athletes competing in a number of endurance sports, and feel for them.
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Post by tracylynn on Jul 26, 2021 20:31:11 GMT
Where I live in Washington (West side of the State) it's quite often in the mid-to-low 80's and 50-60% (or more) humidity. There are plenty of people who still play sports, run and "nature" in that weather. Like someone up thread said, weather in Tokyo during these 18 days wouldn't have been that hard to predict. These are World class athletes who really should know how to take care of themselves in this kind of weather (or have a coaching team who can do that for them).
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Post by craftedbys on Jul 26, 2021 20:40:10 GMT
It's not the heat, it's the **humidity **.
So says every person living in the South, LOL
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jul 26, 2021 21:09:17 GMT
Right now at 5 pm, it’s 89 degrees F with 63% humidity here in upstate South Carolina.
We just call that ‘summer.’
Actually, anything under 90 degrees in late July or anytime in August is what we call ‘a nice day.’
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Post by dewryce on Jul 26, 2021 21:45:23 GMT
And track and field, athletics, haven't even started. I’m watching tennis right now. Men’s matches often last 3 hours. Can you imagine having to function at the top of your game in a very physically demanding sport for 3 hours straight in that heat? What a nightmare. DH typically does triathlons throughout Texas from April through September or October and as I simply stand there barely able to breathe with temps in the high 80s and humidity reaching the 90s early in the am I am half convinced these people are insane. DH would be fine racing in these conditions. I mean, he’d still be swimming while they are at least halfway through the bike portion of the race, but at least breathing wouldn’t be an issue
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 26, 2021 21:53:16 GMT
Daily weather numbers have been recorded for decades. With the internets, anyone could have looked at weather patterns in July in Tokyo to get a pretty damn good idea of what the weather would look like today. I'm not blaming anyone for this. Does anyone think the weather in July in 2028 24 in Los Angeles is going to be any better? I don't because in Sam Kinison's famous words "it's a desert". Any place north of the 91 freeway is hot as balls in the summer. I was just reading and thinking.. UMMMMM seriously this isn't something that is new.. You can easily Google weather for this.. and see what their temps are like probably to the hour .. for years and years back. Why is this a surprise?
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